RE: Shoot Hotel Room Interiors?
-Original Message- From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The specified density range for UC is different that the other Portra films according to the data sheet. Just a thought. (I assume that you are referring to the large, well respect Miller's wedding lab.) Yeah, you have a point, but I've tried to other labs as well. This is a problem I have w/ Portra in general. Mostly the prints just look *slightly* underexposed at 400. tv
Re: Shoot Hotel Room Interiors?
Rob Studdert wrote: Hi John, Fisheye shots are fine for shooting crowded interiors particularly if a 15mm won't cut it. A rectilinear corrected 16mm fisheye shot will provide the equivalent horizontal angle of view of a 7.5mm lens in the 35mm format. If it needs to be presented on film just write the file back to film with a film recorder. OK Rob, I admit it. I'm a Luddite. Or a Photoshop-phobe ... But I will make the effort to learn how to do this, because it sounds as though it might be useful. Thanks for the tip! John
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Hi, Thanks for everyones responses to my questions. I actualy received the brief today and its a little different from what i thought it was going to be. Most of the shots will be of the consierge area of the hotel and the rest will be of bars and some portraits. Most of the advise given is still applicable though and i'll be heading out to buy a spirit level tomorrow for the camera :) The shots have to be done with on camera flash or available light, i've explained the limitations of this to the client, so their choice :) and neg film is fine. Any one got any reccomendations on a good film stock to use? i'm thinking at this stage i'll be shooting Supra 400, some with a colour corrected filter and other without, they actualy want the colour cast on some of the shots. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Shoot Hotel Room Interiors? Rob Studdert wrote: Hi John, Fisheye shots are fine for shooting crowded interiors particularly if a 15mm won't cut it. A rectilinear corrected 16mm fisheye shot will provide the equivalent horizontal angle of view of a 7.5mm lens in the 35mm format. If it needs to be presented on film just write the file back to film with a film recorder. OK Rob, I admit it. I'm a Luddite. Or a Photoshop-phobe ... But I will make the effort to learn how to do this, because it sounds as though it might be useful. Thanks for the tip! John
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The shots have to be done with on camera flash or available light, i've explained the limitations of this to the client, so their choice :) and neg film is fine. Regards, Paul Paul, i think you really ought to bring a digital and take a few test shots to show the client to be REALLY sure that they know what they are getting into before you use very much film. Herb
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Hi Herb, The magazine its for is a kind of trendy style magazine, so the natural lighting should be okay from looking at what the last photographer was doing. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Shoot Hotel Room Interiors? Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The shots have to be done with on camera flash or available light, i've explained the limitations of this to the client, so their choice :) and neg film is fine. Regards, Paul Paul, i think you really ought to bring a digital and take a few test shots to show the client to be REALLY sure that they know what they are getting into before you use very much film. Herb
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Paul posted The shots have to be done with on camera flash or available light, i've explained the limitations of this to the client, so their choice :) and neg film is fine. Any one got any reccomendations on a good film stock to use? i'm thinking at this stage i'll be shooting Supra 400, some with a colour corrected filter and other without, they actualy want the colour cast on some of the shots. Personally I'm a big fan of Fuji Reala; supposed to be good with mixed lighting conditions, and that has been my experience with it as well. (You're going to use a tripod, right? If not, then a Superia in a higher speed. Oh. For a client. If you go with a Superia then get the one packaged as Press -- just in case the client might see the packaging.) If you do take the advice someone else offered, of letting the client see some digital test shots to be SURE they want the colour cast, remember to set the digital camera on daylight so it doesn't auto-correct the colour cast and invalidate your point.
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I very recently shot a roll of the new Kodak Portra UC400, and it is very impressive: - true 400 speed film - very fine grain and very sharp (after I look at the pictures I checked the data sheets and saw that it has the same PGI and sharpness as VC160 Portra) - rich, accurate color and excellent skin tones printed on Royal Kodak paper - prints were very well color corrected (no filter) even from florescent light - low to moderate contrast The only down side is that it is only available as Made in USA (no low price imports yet) at close to $6 @ roll BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks for everyones responses to my questions. I actualy received the brief today and its a little different from what i thought it was going to be. Most of the shots will be of the consierge area of the hotel and the rest will be of bars and some portraits. Most of the advise given is still applicable though and i'll be heading out to buy a spirit level tomorrow for the camera :) The shots have to be done with on camera flash or available light, i've explained the limitations of this to the client, so their choice :) and neg film is fine. Any one got any reccomendations on a good film stock to use? i'm thinking at this stage i'll be shooting Supra 400, some with a colour corrected filter and other without, they actualy want the colour cast on some of the shots. Regards, Paul
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I have assisted on jobs done by people who do this for a living. It is not done with ambient light. To do it right you need enough lights (heads, packs, reflectors, soft boxes, umbrellas, grids, etc. ) to light the space. A flash meter with multiple light sources is a must, particularly if you don't have a Polaroid back. It is also very hard to make it look right if you don't have a tilt/shift lens. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a job soon where i'll need to shoot some hotel room interiors and i have never done anything like this before :) My idea at the moment is to shoot neg film (speed?) with a colour correcting filter and use an LX with 24,35 and 85mm lenses and a tripod. If any one has any ideas on this or advice then let me know :) Regards, Paul
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Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a job soon where i'll need to shoot some hotel room interiors and i have never done anything like this before :) My idea at the moment is to shoot neg film (speed?) with a colour correcting filter and use an LX with 24,35 and 85mm lenses and a tripod. If any one has any ideas on this or advice then let me know :) I've just been doing a project shooting interiors (for my local organic food co-op) that has forced me to deal with similar lighting problems, so here's my input: First or all, you're probably going to need something wider than a 24, especially for hotel room interiors (unless you're dealing strictly with palatial suites!) - I'd say a 20mm would be essential and something wider would be helpful as long as it's rectilinear and not a fisheye. Balancing the mix of natural and artificial lighting can be a big problem. What makes it really tough is that the mixture isn't consistent across the scene: The balance will be predominantly sunlight near the window and predominantly artificial light elsewhere. Some possibilities: One way around this is to eliminate daylight from the mix so you're dealing with just artificial light: Shoot at night if possible. Use a color correction filter to compensate for the existing lighting. Add flash to fill the shadows where necessary. Will you want people in the photos? If not, long shutter speeds will increase your options (have a good tripod handy) For shots with daylight in them you may want to rely mostly on flash for your additional light (keep room lights to a minimum). Multiple flashes and soft boxes would be the best way to insure even coverage but you may not have that kind of equipment. At least bounce your flash off a wall or the ceiling. In short: Try to keep one kind of light predominant (daylight, flash, fluorescent or incandescent). If lighting types must be mixed, keep the mixture consistent throughout the scene. Use a tripod. Use wide lenses. Diffuse your flash somehow. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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A Zenitar 16mm f/2.8 fisheye and a Sto-Fen Omnibounce on your flash will give you some great results. The Sto-Fen covers the whole field of view of the fisheye. Else, try to borrow one of those 14mm f/2.8 rectilinear ultra-wides. They are really good for that kind of work, too. Len --- I have a job soon where i'll need to shoot some hotel room interiors and i have never done anything like this before :) My idea at the moment is to shoot neg film (speed?) with a colour correcting filter and use an LX with 24,35 and 85mm lenses and a tripod. If any one has any ideas on this or advice then let me know :) Regards, Paul _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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You will need several lights, but an inexpensive way to do it is to use slaves that fit in standard sockets, in the existing fixtures. Alternatively, you can hide your slave flashes behind the room lights (behind as in not visible from the camera position). As for lenses, a 24mm will just work, with certain room shapes only. A 20mm would be preferable if you can get one. As other folks pointed out, use a tripod, and keep the camera level to avoid distortion. Good luck! Pat White
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Leonard Paris wrote: A Zenitar 16mm f/2.8 fisheye and a Sto-Fen Omnibounce on your flash will give you some great results. The Sto-Fen covers the whole field of view of the fisheye. Else, try to borrow one of those 14mm f/2.8 rectilinear ultra-wides. They are really good for that kind of work, too. Hi Leonard, I agree with the advice about the 14mm rectilinear lens, but not the fisheye. The fisheye lens is fun to use, and produces interesting results. But most of the time no-one except the photographer ever wants them. They might look, and maybe even smile, but try getting them to pay for them! It's even more difficult with the 8mm circular fisheye. Maybe the more fun a lens is to use, the less likely is that you will sell any of its results. I would agree about using much wider lenses than the original poster suggested. Rent a 14mm for the day for your SLR, or a 15mm or 12mm Voigtländer lens plus a Bessa body. Nothing over 24mm is of much use indoors, where a 35mm is a short telephoto! A 35mm or even 50mm can be used to produce detail shots, but I would rely on 17mm and 20mm lenses for most of the work, maybe a 24mm if the rooms are very large. I did a long and detailed interior shoot for a friend's hotel some years ago (I was foolish enough to volunteer) and found the most challenging aspect was the lighting. After several trials, reading a book or two and taking advice from people who knew much more, I used an array of softboxes in an attempt to replicate daylight, and it sort of worked. It was published in a glossy magazine and the interior won the magazine's annual readers' award, so my pics cannot have been *that* bad. The one (former-) Soviet lens I would recommend for this job is the Arsat 35mm f/2.8 tilt and shift. Even the shift (only) lens is amazingly useful for interiors, but the 8 degree tilt has to be worth the extra cost. John
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John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a long and detailed interior shoot for a friend's hotel some years ago (I was foolish enough to volunteer) and found the most challenging aspect was the lighting. After several trials, reading a book or two and taking advice from people who knew much more, I used an array of softboxes in an attempt to replicate daylight, and it sort of worked. Wouldn't something like this be the ideal application for a DSLR with user-adjustable white balance! (But it would have to be full-frame in order to really take advantage of a 15mm or 17mm lens.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark Roberts wrote: Wouldn't something like this be the ideal application for a DSLR with user-adjustable white balance! (But it would have to be full-frame in order to really take advantage of a 15mm or 17mm lens.) Yes, Mark, it would! The colour balance wasn't a problem; I had a combination of daylight from the North East and the flash matched the colour temperature reasonably well. But imagine using a digital SLR in mixed light! It's almost enough to make me a digital fan - but not quite! John
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On 31 Jan 2003 at 23:45, John Whicker wrote: I agree with the advice about the 14mm rectilinear lens, but not the fisheye. The fisheye lens is fun to use, and produces interesting results. But most of the time no-one except the photographer ever wants them. They might look, and maybe even smile, but try getting them to pay for them! Hi John, Fisheye shots are fine for shooting crowded interiors particularly if a 15mm won't cut it. A rectilinear corrected 16mm fisheye shot will provide the equivalent horizontal angle of view of a 7.5mm lens in the 35mm format. If it needs to be presented on film just write the file back to film with a film recorder. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
