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On 5/30/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30/5/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Maybe the Leica. > > Take it ! Okay. Maybe I could leave the MX at home. Or only bring one LX. Or bring them all... Ah, hell, I'll bring 'em all - Dave's got a nice big pick-up truck! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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I've never been there, but ... out of principle for a mountainous region ... my suggestion would be this A) Really long primes. -- 300mm or 500mm B) Really short primes. -- Like a 17mm, 20mm, or 21mm C) zooms for the middle ranges. -- The 80-200/2.8 would be in the mid ranges. -- Just add a 35-70 & no more zooms. D) Extension tubes & 1.4x TC. Use the combination for your macro work. You won't need to add a macro lens to the kit by doing this. May sometime I'll get a chance to go. Collin
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I must be traveling light then:-) istD PZ-1 for IR 6x7 90 LS 200 F4 28-105 A28 A50 M135 M150 F A7-210(for macro) Sigma 300 F4 Light Meter Tripod/monpod Dave > "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Ok, here's what I decided on: > >Two LX bodies, 15, 20, 24, 35, 50, 77, 100 macro, 150, 200, 300. > >I can't fit the 400 in the bag I want to carry, but I might toss it into my > >checked bag. > >I could also bring my 80-200/2.8 ann leave three of the primes at home, but > >I think the 80-200 is larger than the three primes it would be replacing. > > For me: > MX, ist-D, 645 > > 15/3.5, A20/2.8, FA*24/2.0, 31 Limited, 43 Limited, FA50/1.4, > FA*80-200/2.8, F100/2.8 Macro > > Tamron 17-35/2.8-4.0, Vivitar 70-210 Series 1, Sigma EX300/2.8 > > 645-A45/2.8, 645-A75/2.8, 645-A200/4.0 > > Various extension tubes, teleconverters and filters. > HP laptop computer. > > >I will definitely be depending on the largesse of others for a tripod. > > Oh yes... > Bogen 3021 and Gitzo Mountaineer 1127 tripods. :) > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com >
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"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ok, here's what I decided on: >Two LX bodies, 15, 20, 24, 35, 50, 77, 100 macro, 150, 200, 300. >I can't fit the 400 in the bag I want to carry, but I might toss it into my >checked bag. >I could also bring my 80-200/2.8 ann leave three of the primes at home, but >I think the 80-200 is larger than the three primes it would be replacing. For me: MX, ist-D, 645 15/3.5, A20/2.8, FA*24/2.0, 31 Limited, 43 Limited, FA50/1.4, FA*80-200/2.8, F100/2.8 Macro Tamron 17-35/2.8-4.0, Vivitar 70-210 Series 1, Sigma EX300/2.8 645-A45/2.8, 645-A75/2.8, 645-A200/4.0 Various extension tubes, teleconverters and filters. HP laptop computer. >I will definitely be depending on the largesse of others for a tripod. Oh yes... Bogen 3021 and Gitzo Mountaineer 1127 tripods. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 30/5/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >Maybe the Leica. Take it ! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 5/30/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, here's what I decided on: > Two LX bodies, 15, 20, 24, 35, 50, 77, 100 macro, 150, 200, 300. > I can't fit the 400 in the bag I want to carry, but I might toss it into my > checked bag. > I could also bring my 80-200/2.8 ann leave three of the primes at home, but > I think the 80-200 is larger than the three primes it would be replacing. > > I will definitely be depending on the largesse of others for a tripod. > Two LXen, the MX (just so you can see how it looks now, Bill, since you sold it to me). Zenitar 16mm fisheye, Vivitar 19mm, VS1 24-48, VS1 35-85, Pentax 1.2 50, Tamron 90, Pentax 135, Tokina 80-200, maybe another one or two that I'm forgetting. Monopod. Maybe the Leica. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions I recommend that you check a suitcase and carry a big load of camera gear :) Ok, here's what I decided on: Two LX bodies, 15, 20, 24, 35, 50, 77, 100 macro, 150, 200, 300. I can't fit the 400 in the bag I want to carry, but I might toss it into my checked bag. I could also bring my 80-200/2.8 ann leave three of the primes at home, but I think the 80-200 is larger than the three primes it would be replacing. I will definitely be depending on the largesse of others for a tripod. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions On 27/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I've had some very nice Rioja, though I've also had one that tasted like toad droppings. Which begs a question The person I was drinking with told me. William Robb
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I much prefer the wines from Tennessee and Kentucky (Bourbon to the uninitiated). Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions > On 27/5/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! > >The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and > >that my friend is SAYING something! > > I recognise Australian wines. The reds are worth laying down. And > avoiding. As for Caulifornian - I treat the words 'Gallo' and 'vinegar' > with the same disdain. > > > > >In fact, between the California wines and the Aussie wines, I haven't > >bought and pulled the cork on a French wine in years! > > Keith, you've just confirmed what I've always suspected about you. Bloody > fly-boys! > > >I sure used to, late '80s and early '90s! A lot! > >But not any more. No need. The French no longer hold top place in > >quality vs. price. Haven't for some time... > > You're just digging a deeper hole > > > > >Understand, I'm not saying the French cannot make a good red, or a > >competitive white... they can. > >But not at a price. Not even! > > Cobblers. > > > and in case it needs it > ;-) > > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > >
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On 28/5/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: >> Cobblers. > >Grin! Okay. We disagree. ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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How about Old Mister Mack at 78 cents a quart? bill - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions I drink expensive California wine from time to time. I think my all time favorite is Stag's Leap SLV Cab, '96. But it's now close to extinct and priced well into the hundreds. However, there are some very good inexpensive wines from California and the other west coast states. I really enjoy Columbia Crest Cab from Washington State. It's eight bucks a bottle and very good. They're also making some nice wines in Michigan these days, believe it or not. A few, strangely enough, are from way up north on the Leelauni (sp?) Peninsula, which juts into Lake Michigan. Most of the good Michigan wines are whites, but a couple of the reds have won acclaim as well. Paul On May 27, 2005, at 12:42 PM, John Francis wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 10:09:36AM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 26/5/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: It may very well be different for you - shipping costs make French wines relatively cheaper in England. CdP with change from 20 quid. 20 quid? That's still over $30. There's a lot of really good wine on the shelves here for a lot less than that.
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keithw wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I could be wrong, but I think Sterling wines are from the North Coast area rather than Napa Valley. Paul Try: http://tinyurl.com/7q7wg keith Or, if that site turns you off (it IS a bit tedious!) try this one: http://www.sterlingvineyards.com/news-press.html keith
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Paul Stenquist wrote: I could be wrong, but I think Sterling wines are from the North Coast area rather than Napa Valley. Paul Try: http://tinyurl.com/7q7wg keith
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Cotty wrote: On 27/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I've had some very nice Rioja, though I've also had one that tasted like toad droppings. Which begs a question You most likely don't really want the answer. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
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I could be wrong, but I think Sterling wines are from the North Coast area rather than Napa Valley. Paul On May 28, 2005, at 7:21 AM, keithw wrote: Cotty wrote: On 27/5/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and that my friend is SAYING something! I recognise Australian wines. The reds are worth laying down. And avoiding. As for Caulifornian - I treat the words 'Gallo' and 'vinegar' with the same disdain. As decent as some Gallo wines presently are, they are not top quality wines and are not intend to be. They're blended specifically for unqualified success, and sameness of taste. Most all of Gallo wines are blended to meet that sort of standard, and as a result are Non Vintage wines. Further, if you're remembering the Gallo wines of 10-15+ years ago, those were a totally different wine than what they make today. Gallo does make some real premium wines, but you'll pay for them... I've had people stick up their noses at red California wines, and when pressed for a reason, they mention sweet dinner wines like Mogen David, or some such. Holy Mackerel! They have their place, I guess, but not in my book! A fine Merlot, a vintage Sterling Cab, a Meritage...all excellent, if you stay with the Napa Valley wineries. Not that there aren't other good wines, but if you need a starting guide, choose a Napa winery. Very hard to go wrong... In fact, between the California wines and the Aussie wines, I haven't bought and pulled the cork on a French wine in years! Keith, you've just confirmed what I've always suspected about you. Bloody fly-boys! Hee, hee. I sure used to, late '80s and early '90s! A lot! But not any more. No need. The French no longer hold top place in quality vs. price. Haven't for some time... You're just digging a deeper hole Perhaps, but...what I'm trying to say is, the quality of French wines is so variable, and I'm not capable of choosing quality by looking at the labels ~ style, maker or provenance... OR price, for that matter. I've had expensive French wines that by my past experience I thought should be excellent, yet were terrible! Might have been how the wine was mis-treated during shipment, any number of things. But, if you experience a great wine one day, and choose the same thing at your local wine shop, you expect a repeat of the experience, and it bombs on you! On the other hand, I can choose a $15-18 California wine that is superb. Occasionally for even less than that. I've had some most excellent $11-12 wines, just less frequently. Today, you can find Aussie or N.Z. wines that equal that taste treat for less than you can the comparable California wines! Go figure! I have found it requires I spend more like $35 and up to get the same quality in a similar French wine, in my humble opinion. So, just on the economics alone, they're not in the running. Understand, I'm not saying the French cannot make a good red, or a competitive white... they can. But not at a price. Not even! Cobblers. Grin! Okay. We disagree. You know what to buy, and what you like, in French wines. I admittedly don't. I bow to your knowledge... and in case it needs it > ;-) No, no...not at all. I understand your position entirely. Cheers, Cotty Best, keith
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Cotty wrote: On 27/5/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and that my friend is SAYING something! I recognise Australian wines. The reds are worth laying down. And avoiding. As for Caulifornian - I treat the words 'Gallo' and 'vinegar' with the same disdain. As decent as some Gallo wines presently are, they are not top quality wines and are not intend to be. They're blended specifically for unqualified success, and sameness of taste. Most all of Gallo wines are blended to meet that sort of standard, and as a result are Non Vintage wines. Further, if you're remembering the Gallo wines of 10-15+ years ago, those were a totally different wine than what they make today. Gallo does make some real premium wines, but you'll pay for them... I've had people stick up their noses at red California wines, and when pressed for a reason, they mention sweet dinner wines like Mogen David, or some such. Holy Mackerel! They have their place, I guess, but not in my book! A fine Merlot, a vintage Sterling Cab, a Meritage...all excellent, if you stay with the Napa Valley wineries. Not that there aren't other good wines, but if you need a starting guide, choose a Napa winery. Very hard to go wrong... In fact, between the California wines and the Aussie wines, I haven't bought and pulled the cork on a French wine in years! Keith, you've just confirmed what I've always suspected about you. Bloody fly-boys! Hee, hee. I sure used to, late '80s and early '90s! A lot! But not any more. No need. The French no longer hold top place in quality vs. price. Haven't for some time... You're just digging a deeper hole Perhaps, but...what I'm trying to say is, the quality of French wines is so variable, and I'm not capable of choosing quality by looking at the labels ~ style, maker or provenance... OR price, for that matter. I've had expensive French wines that by my past experience I thought should be excellent, yet were terrible! Might have been how the wine was mis-treated during shipment, any number of things. But, if you experience a great wine one day, and choose the same thing at your local wine shop, you expect a repeat of the experience, and it bombs on you! On the other hand, I can choose a $15-18 California wine that is superb. Occasionally for even less than that. I've had some most excellent $11-12 wines, just less frequently. Today, you can find Aussie or N.Z. wines that equal that taste treat for less than you can the comparable California wines! Go figure! I have found it requires I spend more like $35 and up to get the same quality in a similar French wine, in my humble opinion. So, just on the economics alone, they're not in the running. Understand, I'm not saying the French cannot make a good red, or a competitive white... they can. But not at a price. Not even! Cobblers. Grin! Okay. We disagree. You know what to buy, and what you like, in French wines. I admittedly don't. I bow to your knowledge... and in case it needs it > ;-) No, no...not at all. I understand your position entirely. Cheers, Cotty Best, keith
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On 27/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >I've had some very nice Rioja, though I've also had one that tasted like >toad droppings. Which begs a question Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 27/5/05, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: >cotty, we will miss ya... >ann Same here darlin Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 27/5/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: >Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! >The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and >that my friend is SAYING something! I recognise Australian wines. The reds are worth laying down. And avoiding. As for Caulifornian - I treat the words 'Gallo' and 'vinegar' with the same disdain. > >In fact, between the California wines and the Aussie wines, I haven't >bought and pulled the cork on a French wine in years! Keith, you've just confirmed what I've always suspected about you. Bloody fly-boys! >I sure used to, late '80s and early '90s! A lot! >But not any more. No need. The French no longer hold top place in >quality vs. price. Haven't for some time... You're just digging a deeper hole > >Understand, I'm not saying the French cannot make a good red, or a >competitive white... they can. >But not at a price. Not even! Cobblers. and in case it needs it > ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:29:40PM -0700, keithw wrote: > > Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! > The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and > that my friend is SAYING something! The current buzz is about the New Zealand wines, which have come into their own over the last few years, but are still relatively underpriced. I had a couple of colleagues come into town last week, and was tasked with finding a restaurant with some good Californian wines. We asked the sommelier to find us some local wines our visitor from New York would probably have never sampled before. We ended up with a Sauvignon Blanc from about six miles from the restaurant (which was in Saratoga), and a Pinot Noir from Carmel (around 60 miles to the south). THe restaurant has a 35-page wine list, but the sommelier reckons they sell perhaps 5 bottles of french wine a week (and those are mostly sold on name - Laffitte Rothschild, or Yquem).
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Should have posted this link also: http://tower-rock-winery.com/shakeup.htm Interesting little read. On 5/27/05, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.adampuchtawine.com/ > http://www.blumenhof.com/ > http://www.stjameswinery.com/ > http://www.stonehillwinery.com/ > > On 5/27/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Isn't a lot of French wine courtesy of American vine stock, imported (or > > rather, reimported) after a particularly bad session of some kind of > > disease? > > > You are correct, sir. Specifically, Missouri vines. As are quite a > few California wines. Here are a few of my favorites: > http://www.adampuchtawine.com/ > http://www.blumenhof.com/ > http://www.stjameswinery.com/ > http://www.stonehillwinery.com/ > > They all maintain a fairly strong German winemaking tradition. St. > James and Stone Hill ship. Not sure about the other two. > > m > > ducking > > > > > > > -- > Scott Loveless > http://www.twosixteen.com > > -- > "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
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http://www.adampuchtawine.com/ http://www.blumenhof.com/ http://www.stjameswinery.com/ http://www.stonehillwinery.com/ On 5/27/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't a lot of French wine courtesy of American vine stock, imported (or > rather, reimported) after a particularly bad session of some kind of > disease? > You are correct, sir. Specifically, Missouri vines. As are quite a few California wines. Here are a few of my favorites: http://www.adampuchtawine.com/ http://www.blumenhof.com/ http://www.stjameswinery.com/ http://www.stonehillwinery.com/ They all maintain a fairly strong German winemaking tradition. St. James and Stone Hill ship. Not sure about the other two. > m > ducking > > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
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- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions Same here. Chateauneuf du Pape is pretty special though, but like most wines it entirely depends on the vintage. The home wine making industry in Canada is pretty good about aquiring decent juice. One of my favourites is Grenache, which is the primary varietal in Chateau Neuf du Pape, though I believe there may be as many as eleven varietals allowed in that wine. For quite a while, ox blood was added to the wine to give it the nice deep colour it is known for. I think I gave a bottle of the stuff to Tom C, or else we snuffed a bottle of it at our campsite, I don't quite recall. I have to say that I'm a bit of wine snob and rarely touch anything that doesn't come from France, with 2 notable exceptions: rioja from Spain, I've had some very nice Rioja, though I've also had one that tasted like toad droppings. and a few dry whites from Italy. I'm pretty fond of Verdiccio. Come to think of it, the only wines I haven't liked are the Reisling varieties that taste like battery acid. William Robb
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Cotty wrote: > > On 24/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > If you intend to do the competition, bring a film camera *and a loupe* !!! > Hey Cotty, a 50mm lens makes a perfect loupe for lookin at slides - the thing you have to fight for is the light table.:) > Bring a flash - after a few drinks, the beer demands some photographic > larking about. > > If camping, and follically-challenged on top of the head, bring a woolly > hat for sleeping in. even if not ... a "gnome hat' very useful > In the restaurant, hope you like 'grits' ! Thanks for reminding me _ ann loves grits > > You'll have a ball and it will all be over far too soon. Trouble is, next > year you'll be in my situation - reading about folks now prepping to go > along and the draw to go along is very very strong. Enjoy! > > Cheers, > Cotty > cotty, we will miss ya... ann
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Mark Roberts wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Bill, i am going to throw a tripod and a monopd in the truck. Its there to > >borrow if you > >don't want to lug > >one around the airport. > > I'll be bringing a Bogen 3021 and a Gitzo Mountaineer CF. I'll happily > loan out whichever one I'm not using at any given time. > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com I will probably be wanting to borrow a "real" tripod... bringing tiny coleman with me ann
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John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:43:34 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have to say that I'm a bit of wine snob and rarely touch anything that doesn't come from France, with 2 notable exceptions: rioja from Spain, and a few dry whites from Italy. I'm available for dinner invitations John Well, fellow wine snobs, one should also recognize Australian wines! The better Aussie wines fully equal the better California wines, and that my friend is SAYING something! In fact, between the California wines and the Aussie wines, I haven't bought and pulled the cork on a French wine in years! I sure used to, late '80s and early '90s! A lot! But not any more. No need. The French no longer hold top place in quality vs. price. Haven't for some time... Understand, I'm not saying the French cannot make a good red, or a competitive white... they can. But not at a price. Not even! keith whaley
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:43:34 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have to say that I'm a bit of wine snob and rarely touch anything that doesn't come from France, with 2 notable exceptions: rioja from Spain, and a few dry whites from Italy. I'm available for dinner invitations John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005
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>> >It may very well be different for you - shipping costs >> >make French wines relatively cheaper in England. >> >> >> CdP with change from 20 quid. > >20 quid? That's still over $30. > >There's a lot of really good wine on the shelves here >for a lot less than that. Same here. Chateauneuf du Pape is pretty special though, but like most wines it entirely depends on the vintage. I have to say that I'm a bit of wine snob and rarely touch anything that doesn't come from France, with 2 notable exceptions: rioja from Spain, and a few dry whites from Italy. Nothing wrong with any wines from anywhere else, but I usually don;t find them as nice. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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I drink expensive California wine from time to time. I think my all time favorite is Stag's Leap SLV Cab, '96. But it's now close to extinct and priced well into the hundreds. However, there are some very good inexpensive wines from California and the other west coast states. I really enjoy Columbia Crest Cab from Washington State. It's eight bucks a bottle and very good. They're also making some nice wines in Michigan these days, believe it or not. A few, strangely enough, are from way up north on the Leelauni (sp?) Peninsula, which juts into Lake Michigan. Most of the good Michigan wines are whites, but a couple of the reds have won acclaim as well. Paul On May 27, 2005, at 12:42 PM, John Francis wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 10:09:36AM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 26/5/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: It may very well be different for you - shipping costs make French wines relatively cheaper in England. CdP with change from 20 quid. 20 quid? That's still over $30. There's a lot of really good wine on the shelves here for a lot less than that.
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John Francis wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:13:43AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:13:38 -0400, John Francis wrote: In fact there are those who would extend that limit up to $200 or $300 per bottle. Personally, I'm a cheap sob ... I'm not MD 20/20 cheap, but I'm not far off. :-) One of the benefits of living in California is that I can be a (fairly) cheap sob and still drink decent wines. There's a lot of good stuff available at $7-$12 a bottle, and even for special occasions I rarely go above $20-$25. [My current bargain pick; Domaine Ste. Michelle - a true champagne in all but name - at $10/bottle. Brut or Dry.] I've never paid $200 for a bottle of wine (in fact I've only paid more than $50 on two occasions), but I've had the opportunity to drink several wines that retail for that and more. There's some first-rate stuff coming out of California; it's getting commonplace to hear of a Californian wine winning blind tasting competitions. (That's competitions run in France, by the French.) Isn't a lot of French wine courtesy of American vine stock, imported (or rather, reimported) after a particularly bad session of some kind of disease? m ducking
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On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 10:09:36AM +0100, Cotty wrote: > On 26/5/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >It may very well be different for you - shipping costs > >make French wines relatively cheaper in England. > > > CdP with change from 20 quid. 20 quid? That's still over $30. There's a lot of really good wine on the shelves here for a lot less than that.
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On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:13:43AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:13:38 -0400, John Francis wrote: > > > In fact there are those who would extend that limit up > > to $200 or $300 per bottle. > > Personally, I'm a cheap sob ... I'm not MD 20/20 cheap, but I'm not far > off. :-) One of the benefits of living in California is that I can be a (fairly) cheap sob and still drink decent wines. There's a lot of good stuff available at $7-$12 a bottle, and even for special occasions I rarely go above $20-$25. [My current bargain pick; Domaine Ste. Michelle - a true champagne in all but name - at $10/bottle. Brut or Dry.] I've never paid $200 for a bottle of wine (in fact I've only paid more than $50 on two occasions), but I've had the opportunity to drink several wines that retail for that and more. There's some first-rate stuff coming out of California; it's getting commonplace to hear of a Californian wine winning blind tasting competitions. (That's competitions run in France, by the French.)
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On 26/5/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: >It may very well be different for you - shipping costs >make French wines relatively cheaper in England. CdP with change from 20 quid. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:13:38 -0400, John Francis wrote: > In fact there are those who would extend that limit up > to $200 or $300 per bottle. Personally, I'm a cheap sob ... I'm not MD 20/20 cheap, but I'm not far off. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 09:21:41AM +0100, Cotty wrote: > On 25/5/05, Cesar, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >I tend to drink red wine, mostly from California. > > Oh dear. > > Get that man a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape. Only if you're paying. At less than $100/bottle Cesar probably has better wines available for his money than buying French. In fact there are those who would extend that limit up to $200 or $300 per bottle. It may very well be different for you - shipping costs make French wines relatively cheaper in England.
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A mixture of wine and fiddler's elbow I think. I remember I could not place Norm's name from the list. I think it was your ale, because the next time I saw one of his posts, I said, Ah, that's who he is... graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Cotty wrote: On 25/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Did someone say wine Yeah but keep it down at the camp. I took an open bottle in my vest pocket up to dinner in the cafeteria and when I was the *only* one with any alcohol at all, got very paranoid and didn't have a drop! Shortly after that, the saturday evening lecture/slide show was going to commence, but on a whim I skived (cut) off with Graywolf and Norm and we headed back to camp to chill and booze :-) I'm glad I did, because it was the most peaceful part of the whole trip - it's a non-stop roller coaster ride for days on end and your head will buzz with the people and the activities. I'm sorry i missed the saturday night show, but Norm's got such a sense of humour that I couldn't stop laughing. Or was that the wine? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
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I'm sure it was the latter, I seem funnier that way Norm Cotty wrote: I'm sorry i missed the saturday night show, but Norm's got such a sense of humour that I couldn't stop laughing. Or was that the wine?
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- Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions If it will not be a bother, I only have a 90mm for the 67, at the moment :-) Since you are bringing wine, the least I can do is bring a glass William Robb
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"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I won't be bringing the big camera, but I can bring a 45 for you to play >with. I'll be unarmed, myself... ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 25/5/05, Cesar, discombobulated, unleashed: >I tend to drink red wine, mostly from California. Oh dear. Get that man a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 25/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >Did someone say wine Yeah but keep it down at the camp. I took an open bottle in my vest pocket up to dinner in the cafeteria and when I was the *only* one with any alcohol at all, got very paranoid and didn't have a drop! Shortly after that, the saturday evening lecture/slide show was going to commence, but on a whim I skived (cut) off with Graywolf and Norm and we headed back to camp to chill and booze :-) I'm glad I did, because it was the most peaceful part of the whole trip - it's a non-stop roller coaster ride for days on end and your head will buzz with the people and the activities. I'm sorry i missed the saturday night show, but Norm's got such a sense of humour that I couldn't stop laughing. Or was that the wine? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions Will anyone be bringing any 67 wide angle stuff for me to try? ;-) I won't be bringing the big camera, but I can bring a 45 for you to play with. William Robb William, If it will not be a bother, I only have a 90mm for the 67, at the moment :-) Still trying to get used to shooting the 67, César Panama City, Florida
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions Wondering if wine will be as welcomed since Stan will not be there, Did someone say wine William Robb Did I get someone's attention? I tend to drink red wine, mostly from California. Is there a preference? Let me know and I can see what I can do. Taking a bottle of Merlot and generic hearty red for the trip south, César Panama City, Florida
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- Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions Will anyone be bringing any 67 wide angle stuff for me to try? ;-) I won't be bringing the big camera, but I can bring a 45 for you to play with. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions Wondering if wine will be as welcomed since Stan will not be there, Did someone say wine William Robb
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frank theriault wrote: On 5/25/05, Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wondering if wine will be as welcomed since Stan will not be there, I'll drink wine in a pinch (a pinch being defined for these purposes as "when the beer runs out"). -frank Hmmm, I don't recall the beer ever running out on the mountain :-) I may bring a couple of bottles of red wine anyway, counting on you Frank, César Panama City, Florida
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On 5/25/05, Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wondering if wine will be as welcomed since Stan will not be there, I'll drink wine in a pinch (a pinch being defined for these purposes as "when the beer runs out"). -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many others routinely loan out gear to other > PDML'ers. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com I'm bringing my 200 f 4(6x7) for Cesar to try. Anyone happen to be bringing a Sigma 1.4 tele or the Sigma 500 DG Super.? I may have a chance to look at the flash this weekend,but if not i'd like to see how it performs. Dave Dave, Thanks! You guys/gals will be the death of me :-) Will anyone be bringing any 67 wide angle stuff for me to try? ;-) César Panama City, Florida
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Mark Roberts wrote: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You'll need some warm clothing, at 5000' msl it can get cool at night. If you have room, bring some rain gear, it seems to rain at least one day every year. Yeah, on the day I camp out on the ridge! If it makes you feel any better Mark, we thought about you at PDML Central and hoisted a few in your honor. Wondering if wine will be as welcomed since Stan will not be there, César Panama City, Florida
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William, Let us know what you would like to have, I am sure those of us on the mountain are not abject to loaning. I usually bring all my 35mm gear, but this year I will be leaving my M42 bodies and bringing select M42 lenses. The reason? I have to make sure I can bring all my 645, 67, and K-mount gear. All the digital - since not much - will be with me (Pentax-wise). I will not be bringing any Nikon gear this time :-) César Panama City, Florida William Robb wrote: I am sort of wondering what to bring. I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a suitcase. Any comments will be read, probably not responded to. Thanks William Robb
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> I took a 300mm last year and felt it was a bit short. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > So am i. Now i'm in deep trouble.:-) Dave
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On 5/25/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as long as there is still room for frank and me :) I'm pretty skinny and you're pretty tiny. I don't think he'll have to leave us behind... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On 25/5/05, Kenneth Waller, > discombobulated, > unleashed: > > > > >Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? > > >I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself > > >weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on > > >bringing it. > > > > > > You could get some lovely pics of some of the animals in the habitats. > > The eagles, otters, bears to name but a few. It's a lot to carry, and > > you'll be the centre of attention amongst all the Nikon and Canon shooters > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > > Great, now i gotta find room for the D1 and the 170-500. > > My long piece of Pentax glass is the Sigma 300. It will have to do as i have > yet to buy > the tele. > > Dave > as long as there is still room for frank and me :) ann > > > > ___/\__ > > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > > _ > > > > > >
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of > > subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will > > depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a > > 20mm on an MX. > > Bill, i am going to throw a tripod and a monopd in the truck. Its there to > borrow if you > don't want to lug > one around the airport. > > Dave > got a another one? :) ann > > Subject matter: > > Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) > > Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) > > Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) > > > > I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. > > > > Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the > > mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is > > significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than > > sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and > > camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this > > effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times > > so far... > > > > > > -- > > Mark Roberts > > Photography and writing > > www.robertstech.com > > > >
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In a message dated 5/25/2005 10:41:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took a 300mm last year and felt it was a bit short. -- Best regards, Bruce == Yeah, ditto. You can use the 600. Although most of the animals are not that far away if you want any close ups you need more. Also you have to jostle elbows with other photographers. I think Tom Reese got some good eagle shots with a 600 or something similar. So some animals/birds, being smaller, you can really use the longer glass on. HTH, Marnie aka Doe
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Also this has been a rather cool spring here in the mountains. My electricy use (electric heat) last month was twice what it was last year. In fact todays high was 56F. Boone is only 15 air miles northeast, and about the same altitude as the camping area at GFM. If anyone plans on camping on the top of the mountain with Mark. Plan on freezing temps, 100+ mph winds, and thunder storms. Translation: Mark is crazy. He does however sometimes get some nice photos. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Mark Roberts wrote: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You'll need some warm clothing, at 5000' msl it can get cool at night. If you have room, bring some rain gear, it seems to rain at least one day every year. Yeah, on the day I camp out on the ridge! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Anyone happen to be bringing a Sigma 1.4 tele or the Sigma 500 DG Super.? I >may have a >chance to look at the flash this weekend, but if not i'd like to see how it >performs. I'll be bringing both of those items (as well as the Sigma 2x TC and the Sigma 300/2.8). The flash absolutely rocks! With P-TTL it just nails every exposure. I did a wedding last weekend (that's a separate post in its own right) and the flash knocked my socks off with its performance. If I get into doing more weddings I'll definitely want to get a Quantum battery pack for it, but that would be true of any flash, really. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Many others routinely loan out gear to other > PDML'ers. > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > I'm bringing my 200 f 4(6x7) for Cesar to try. Anyone happen to be bringing a Sigma 1.4 tele or the Sigma 500 DG Super.? I may have a chance to look at the flash this weekend,but if not i'd like to see how it performs. Dave
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> "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >You'll need some warm clothing, at 5000' msl it can get cool at night. If > >you have room, bring some rain gear, it seems to rain at least one day every > >year. > > Yeah, on the day I camp out on the ridge! > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > Ok kids. First thing we do on arrival is hide Marks shoes,then we can all get suntans. Dave
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Bill, i am going to throw a tripod and a monopd in the truck. Its there to >borrow if you >don't want to lug >one around the airport. I'll be bringing a Bogen 3021 and a Gitzo Mountaineer CF. I'll happily loan out whichever one I'm not using at any given time. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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"Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >You'll need some warm clothing, at 5000' msl it can get cool at night. If >you have room, bring some rain gear, it seems to rain at least one day every >year. Yeah, on the day I camp out on the ridge! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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BTW: If there's anything you'd like to bring but aren't sure if you can justify with regards to weight or space just mention what it is. I'll have a pretty big selection of stuff and will lend out what I'm not using on any given day. Many others routinely loan out gear to other PDML'ers. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 25/5/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>The animals in captivity won't require anything that big, but you >>never know if you'll see some deer, or some little birdy in a tree >>that might require such a beast. > >I dunno Frank - 600mm will get you a cracking head shot of an eagle And you often *need* a 600 to get a good shot of the cougars - they're often shy and rarely come close to the viewing area. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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I took a 300mm last year and felt it was a bit short. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 6:26:29 AM, you wrote: G> If you want to fill the frame at the zoo, or try for wildlife G> photos, a 600 is not overkill at all. A 400 is only fair. G> graywolf G> http://www.graywolfphoto.com G> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" G> --- G> Kenneth Waller wrote: >>>A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're >>>shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a >>>20mm on an MX. >> >> >> Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? >> I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 >> by itself weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't >> planning on bringing it. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions >> >> "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>I am sort of wondering what to bring. >>>I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to >>>Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. >>>I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a >>>suitcase. >> >> >> I recommend that you check a suitcase and carry a big load of camera >> gear :) >> Cotty's recommendation of a macro lens is a good one. There's huge >> potential for great macro shots (and if the weather is poor, macro is >> great to fall back on). >> Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of >> subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will >> depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a >> 20mm on an MX. >> Subject matter: >> Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) >> Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) >> Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) >> >> I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. >> >> Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the >> mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is >> significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than >> sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and >> camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this >> effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times >> so far... >> >>
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Only if it's a white lens. Kenneth Waller wrote: Should I apply black tape over the name? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions On 5/25/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on bringing it. The animals in captivity won't require anything that big, but you never know if you'll see some deer, or some little birdy in a tree that might require such a beast. I vote you bring it, just 'cause I want to see it, and it probably looks way cool, and the Nikon and Canon users always have big ostentatious-looking glass, so there should be some Big Pentax Glass there too. cheers, frank -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
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Should I apply black tape over the name? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions On 5/25/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? > I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself > weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on > bringing it. The animals in captivity won't require anything that big, but you never know if you'll see some deer, or some little birdy in a tree that might require such a beast. I vote you bring it, just 'cause I want to see it, and it probably looks way cool, and the Nikon and Canon users always have big ostentatious-looking glass, so there should be some Big Pentax Glass there too. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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> On 25/5/05, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? > >I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself > >weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on > >bringing it. > > > You could get some lovely pics of some of the animals in the habitats. > The eagles, otters, bears to name but a few. It's a lot to carry, and > you'll be the centre of attention amongst all the Nikon and Canon shooters ;-) > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > Great, now i gotta find room for the D1 and the 170-500. My long piece of Pentax glass is the Sigma 300. It will have to do as i have yet to buy the tele. Dave > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > >
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> Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of > subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will > depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a > 20mm on an MX. Bill, i am going to throw a tripod and a monopd in the truck. Its there to borrow if you don't want to lug one around the airport. Dave > Subject matter: > Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) > Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) > Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) > > I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. > > Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the > mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is > significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than > sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and > camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this > effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times > so far... > > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com >
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On 25/5/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed: >Your "other >equipment" to big lens ratio should be at least 4:1 in >weight and 3:1 in $$$ spent. Mark! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 25/5/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >The animals in captivity won't require anything that big, but you >never know if you'll see some deer, or some little birdy in a tree >that might require such a beast. I dunno Frank - 600mm will get you a cracking head shot of an eagle Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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If you want to fill the frame at the zoo, or try for wildlife photos, a 600 is not overkill at all. A 400 is only fair. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Kenneth Waller wrote: A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a 20mm on an MX. Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on bringing it. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am sort of wondering what to bring. I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a suitcase. I recommend that you check a suitcase and carry a big load of camera gear :) Cotty's recommendation of a macro lens is a good one. There's huge potential for great macro shots (and if the weather is poor, macro is great to fall back on). Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a 20mm on an MX. Subject matter: Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times so far... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
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Kenneth Waller asked: > Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? It depends on what you want to shoot. The 600mm would be useful for the bears, eagles and cougar(s?). > I've been under the impression that there wasn't. The wildlife habitats are pretty big and the animals don't always cooperate by coming up close. I would bring the lens if you're driving. If you're flying then I understand your reluctance. That's a tough decision to make. > Since the 600 by itself weighs almost as much as all my > other equipment, I wasn't planning on bringing it. You obviously need much more stuff. Your "other equipment" to big lens ratio should be at least 4:1 in weight and 3:1 in $$$ spent. Tom Reese
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You'll need some warm clothing, at 5000' msl it can get cool at night. If you have room, bring some rain gear, it seems to rain at least one day every year. Bill - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions I am sort of wondering what to bring. I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a suitcase. Any comments will be read, probably not responded to. Thanks William Robb
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On 25/5/05, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: >Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? >I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself >weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on >bringing it. You could get some lovely pics of some of the animals in the habitats. The eagles, otters, bears to name but a few. It's a lot to carry, and you'll be the centre of attention amongst all the Nikon and Canon shooters ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 5/25/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? > I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself > weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on > bringing it. The animals in captivity won't require anything that big, but you never know if you'll see some deer, or some little birdy in a tree that might require such a beast. I vote you bring it, just 'cause I want to see it, and it probably looks way cool, and the Nikon and Canon users always have big ostentatious-looking glass, so there should be some Big Pentax Glass there too. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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>A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're shooting with a >600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a >20mm on an MX. Is there much/any opportunity @ GFM for a 600 on a 35mm body? I've been under the impression that there wasn't. Since the 600 by itself weighs almost as much as all my other equipment, I wasn't planning on bringing it. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am sort of wondering what to bring. >I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to >Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. >I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a >suitcase. I recommend that you check a suitcase and carry a big load of camera gear :) Cotty's recommendation of a macro lens is a good one. There's huge potential for great macro shots (and if the weather is poor, macro is great to fall back on). Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a 20mm on an MX. Subject matter: Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times so far... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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In a message dated 5/25/2005 4:30:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times so far... == Bring some warm clothes for morning/evening. Beer and peanuts to share are also greatly appreciated. Oh... you mean camera gear??? Then listen to Mark. Doe aka Marnie ;-)
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Bring a 35mm film camera for the slide contest and your favorite primes. A telephoto for the animals in the small (zoo) habitat and a macro for the blooming rhododendrons would be OK too. There are plenty of big vistas to be photographed. Regards, Bob S. On 5/24/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sort of wondering what to bring. > I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to > Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. > I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a > suitcase. > Any comments will be read, probably not responded to. > Thanks > > William Robb > > > >
Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am sort of wondering what to bring. >I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to >Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. >I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a >suitcase. I recommend that you check a suitcase and carry a big load of camera gear :) Cotty's recommendation of a macro lens is a good one. There's huge potential for great macro shots (and if the weather is poor, macro is great to fall back on). Other than that it depends on what you want to shoot, both in terms of subject matter and cameras/lenses. A tripod is a must but what kind will depend on whether you're shooting with a 600mm f/4 on a Pentax 67 or a 20mm on an MX. Subject matter: Wildlife (bring hiking boots and big glass) Animals in captivity (80-200 zoom) Landscapes (15mm up to 300mm) I'd generally stick to primes and go for quality over quantity. Tip: The "populated" side of Grandfather Mountain is the west and the mountain itself blocks a lot of dawn light until the sun is significantly risen, so sunset usually provides better shooting than sunrise. I hope to counter this by hiking out along the upper trail and camping out at a good east side location on one night to counter this effect. I've done it the past two years and been rained out both times so far... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Some Grandfather Mountain Questions
On 24/5/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >I am sort of wondering what to bring. >I am flying from Regina to (I think) Minneapolis, and then from there to >Charlotte on June 2nd, renting a vehicle and driving to GFM. >I prefer to not check luggage, though I suspect I will have to check a >suitcase. >Any comments will be read, probably not responded to. >Thanks Well, I flew in last year and then took a road trip with 4 others (including a carsick Australian muppet). I was pretty happy with what I brought - here's some tips: Make sure you bring a macro lens - there's lots of flaura and fauna. If you intend to do the competition, bring a film camera *and a loupe* !!! Bring a flash - after a few drinks, the beer demands some photographic larking about. If camping, and follically-challenged on top of the head, bring a woolly hat for sleeping in. Facilities are basic in the extreme for campers. There is a small toilet block, but some bottled water could be useful. Buy some beer and snacks - you'll be popular. If Bill Owens offers you some cherry ale, accept it - but be warned, he will be lurking and readily approaches with a refill ;-) Access from the camping area to the auditorium / restaurant / animal habitats area is by car. They discourage walking on the access road to keep pedestrians and vehicles apart. There is a trail up there, but you'll drive or catch a ride with someone. It takes less than 2 minutes to drive but it's a steep walk and who wants to arrive sweaty and wheezing. In the auditorium, sit near a door - it can get warm in there. In the restaurant, hope you like 'grits' ! If you're into hiking out, get Mark Roberts to take you on an exciting excursion high up onto the mountain. I regret not doing this, but the social aspect of just hanging out with the gang was too much of a draw. In the end I just wandered about the animal habitats, which is okay, and much fun with a long lens, but if i can make it next year, I will beg Mark for a tour. Apparently not for those with a fear of steep drops. You'll have a ball and it will all be over far too soon. Trouble is, next year you'll be in my situation - reading about folks now prepping to go along and the draw to go along is very very strong. Enjoy! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
