Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
In Iraq of course. The list is an ideal place for weird things to happen under a full moon :-) Bill - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax) > "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I may be wrong, and probably am, but I can't see any hostilities starting > >under a full moon. > > You mean in Iraq or on the list? > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > >
Re: OT Report (was: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Sorry Captain, I'll have the replicators back up and running in 10 minutes. Regards, Jordi... --- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
OT Report (was: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
>I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of >OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the >field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only. >We have Cotty in England, Boris in Israel, and how others who are in >the thick of it. Just got in. Nothing happening tonight. Not a sausage. Collective opinion is that it will be weekend at earliest, as Friday is a holy day. Very cold and although One-Eyed Bob, our electrician, had a battery light up, a nice Sky News cameraman pointed his redhead at our reporter for a 3/4 light. Plenty of photographers about, but they were all over at the south side of the runway, non using Pentax AFAIK (on topic!) Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. -30- Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
What "Gamma scale" are you talking about? Gamma, in it's normal use has nothing to do with color temperature or rendition. Making sweeping generalizations for a maker's lens line, that could have dozens of different lenses, is certain to be wrong for a pretty fair number of lenses. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canon and Nikon glass is "cool" on the Gamma scale. Minolta is "warm" and Pentax comes out Gamma "neutral". *Extra: Kodak films are generally "warm" while Fuji films are decidely "cool" on the Gamma scale.
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
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Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: "News, as in "Just the facts Ma'am". is OK by me. I think that first hand accounts of what's going on in the rest of the world would be interesting." Yeah it would be interesting but not here please! Remember that this is the PENTAX DISCUSSION MAILING LIST not "WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY PART OF THE WORLD." Off list for this kind of stuff. Thanks! --- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > News, as in "Just the facts Ma'am". is OK by me. I > think that first hand > accounts of what's going on in the rest of the > world would be interesting. > > BR > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I personally think we should suspend the > not-so-tacit prohibition of > >OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for > reports from the > >field. No editorial comments at all, please. > Reporting only. > >We have Cotty in England, Boris in Israel, and how > others who are in > >the thick of it. > > > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
--- Roland Mabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:56:23 +0100 > Canon makes some great glass too, but I believe it's > a personal thing here. > They all have their characteristics. Isn't Canon and > Nikon quite close here? > High contrast, cool colour temperature? I've got > that impression. I believe > Pentax and Minolta are closer when it comes to > optical character. ___ Canon and Nikon glass is "cool" on the Gamma scale. Minolta is "warm" and Pentax comes out Gamma "neutral". *Extra: Kodak films are generally "warm" while Fuji films are decidely "cool" on the Gamma scale. Ed = I get it done with YAHOO! DSL!
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Good ol' Chris...
What the f*** is that supposed to mean?
> All I want to hear about is how our pdml-ers are faring 'over there.'
>
> Don't tell me to go to CNN for that.
Whatever. It's not my call, anyway, so you might as well ask Doug
directly.
chris
> keith
>
> Chris Brogden wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Keith Whaley wrote:
> >
> > > I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of
> > > OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the
> > > field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only.
> >
> > It's pretty much impossible to provide news reports without starting
> > editorializing, at least around here. If you want news, go to cnn.com or
> > your choice of media outlet; if you want Pentax discussion, let's keep
> > this list on topic.
> >
> > Personally, I don't mind a list with some invigorating OT wars, but The
> > Man has asked for no political stuff, and the Brotherhood ain't ready to
> > stick it to The Man yet ("Undercover Brother" reference... great movie).
> >
> > chris
>
>
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Good ol' Chris...
All I want to hear about is how our pdml-ers are faring 'over there.'
Don't tell me to go to CNN for that.
keith
Chris Brogden wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
> > I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of
> > OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the
> > field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only.
>
> It's pretty much impossible to provide news reports without starting
> editorializing, at least around here. If you want news, go to cnn.com or
> your choice of media outlet; if you want Pentax discussion, let's keep
> this list on topic.
>
> Personally, I don't mind a list with some invigorating OT wars, but The
> Man has asked for no political stuff, and the Brotherhood ain't ready to
> stick it to The Man yet ("Undercover Brother" reference... great movie).
>
> chris
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
News, as in "Just the facts Ma'am". is OK by me. I think that first hand accounts of what's going on in the rest of the world would be interesting. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only. We have Cotty in England, Boris in Israel, and how others who are in the thick of it.
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Keith Whaley wrote:
> I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of
> OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the
> field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only.
It's pretty much impossible to provide news reports without starting
editorializing, at least around here. If you want news, go to cnn.com or
your choice of media outlet; if you want Pentax discussion, let's keep
this list on topic.
Personally, I don't mind a list with some invigorating OT wars, but The
Man has asked for no political stuff, and the Brotherhood ain't ready to
stick it to The Man yet ("Undercover Brother" reference... great movie).
chris
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
>Any good bars/pubs in Oxford, btw? :-) LOL. yeah, my house. Free, too! :-) Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
I personally think we should suspend the not-so-tacit prohibition of OT stuff, for the evening, at least, solely for reports from the field. No editorial comments at all, please. Reporting only. We have Cotty in England, Boris in Israel, and how others who are in the thick of it. Cotty wrote: > [...] Cesar wrote: > > >I will raise a belated glass of wine to you tonight, > > Hi Cesar, > > Unfortunately I will not be able to raise a glass to you this evening, > but if I was, it would be French, white, and very, very dry. Just popped > home for a quick bite to eat, and I have to go back to RAF Fairford where > a squadron of B52s are parked up, ready to fly. Been there all day doing > live injects into British tv, but it's been really quiet. We're expecting > action tonight, but I'll be leaving straight after we do our 11pm > bulletin. Sorry - too OT. > > Best, > > Cotty
RE: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
>What a way to start the day - okay so it started about three hours ago... > >I just hope that when we finally meet - you will not remove me from that >table (maybe I will have to bring Annsan along). Always gives me goosebumps >to see myself mentioned in a post. And to think that no mention of the LX! > >Always a topic of discussion at PDML gatherings - who would really like to >meet?; what is so-and-so really like?... > >I will raise a belated glass of wine to you tonight, Hi Cesar, Unfortunately I will not be able to raise a glass to you this evening, but if I was, it would be French, white, and very, very dry. Just popped home for a quick bite to eat, and I have to go back to RAF Fairford where a squadron of B52s are parked up, ready to fly. Been there all day doing live injects into British tv, but it's been really quiet. We're expecting action tonight, but I'll be leaving straight after we do our 11pm bulletin. Sorry - too OT. Best, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
<< They cant build the bars fast enough. I am amazed how they are all still packed. Almost every other building is a massive bar or restaurant or pub or nightclub! >> Sounds just like Brighton. If I was an eating out type of guy, I expect I could visit a different restaurant every night for a year within 3 miles of here. Cheers Peter
Re: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
In one point Bojidar is right.namely it is much easier and cheaper to find seconf hand Canon gear-great advantage! Alek Użytkownik Roland Mabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał: >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:56:23 +0100 >> >>Nice to see such words! I agree with you in most points. I really >doubt >>that for everyday shooting one get better photos with Canon. > >I doubt that too, but many *believes* differently. > >>Some my friend chose Canon and zooms usually and even primes but when >they >>look at my slides they even prefer my Pentax glass. > >Canon makes some great glass too, but I believe it\'s a personal thing here. >They all have their characteristics. Isn\'t Canon and Nikon quite close here? >High contrast, cool colour temperature? I\'ve got that impression. I believe >Pentax and Minolta are closer when it comes to optical character. > >>And I believe Pentax soon or later will come with IS and USM and there >> >will be no difference between P and C. > >I believe this too. >However, I can understand those who doesn\'t want to wait. >Pentax has, in the past, showed a bad record when it comes to new >technology. The Z-serie was great, but it took time to update it. MZ-serie >was great, in the beginning, but the MZ-5n and -3 are essentially the same >as the MZ-5 released in 1996. I can understand those who wants a faster >development. I believe this will happen with digital, perhaps it will be too >fast. :-) Anyway, two more *ist\'s are on it\'s way. I\'m sure that they will >be great and having new technology, not only technology that equals the >competition but actually beats them. > >Best wishes, >Roland > > >_ >Lättare att hitta drömresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ >
RE: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
I hear Oxford is dead these days. Since they declared war on the motor car and Reading completely redeveloped and created a massive new shooping centre, everyone comes here. They cant build the bars fast enough. I am amazed how they are all still packed. Almost every other building is a massive bar or restaurant or pub or nightclub! > -Original Message- > From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 March 2003 16:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax) > > > Cheers to that, Cotty! > > As I said, yesterday, Arnolds post made the whole difference. > > Any good bars/pubs in Oxford, btw? :-) > > Jostein > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Actually I think this is a great place to hang out. Just like many > have > > said before, it's like a bar. There's regulars, passers-by, > hangers-on, > > loiterers, undesirables, friendlies, all sorts. But it's not a bad > bar, > > and you can pick and choose who you chat with, who you listen to. > The one > > undeniable draw that brings everyone in is the Pentax gear. Anything > else > > is spurious, and either light relief, or unwelcome intrusion. Earwig > or > > move away accordingly! > > >
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Cheers to that, Cotty! As I said, yesterday, Arnolds post made the whole difference. Any good bars/pubs in Oxford, btw? :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Actually I think this is a great place to hang out. Just like many have > said before, it's like a bar. There's regulars, passers-by, hangers-on, > loiterers, undesirables, friendlies, all sorts. But it's not a bad bar, > and you can pick and choose who you chat with, who you listen to. The one > undeniable draw that brings everyone in is the Pentax gear. Anything else > is spurious, and either light relief, or unwelcome intrusion. Earwig or > move away accordingly!
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Steve, are you branching out from visual journalism? Kind regards Peter -- CAMERA DIRECT 8 DORSET STREET BRIGHTON EAST SUSSEX BN2 1WA UK TEL 44 1273 681129 FAX 44 1273 681135 http://www.camera-direct.com
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
>As I waded through the 180-ish messages since yesterday, I kept >thinking about what a bunch of complaining people we have become on >this list. >Then I came to MacBurts atrocities and began to wonder if the PDML was >worth hanging about much longer. There'll always be a few people who complain, I just ignore 'em. You can't change the nature of a person, but you can give them zero attention. That and the utter nonesense spouted by MacBurt recently. Shit happens. We obviously have an unmoderated list, and these things are the unfortunate byproducts. I don't give them a second thought, just get on and read the stuff that's interesting, delete the rest. Actually I think this is a great place to hang out. Just like many have said before, it's like a bar. There's regulars, passers-by, hangers-on, loiterers, undesirables, friendlies, all sorts. But it's not a bad bar, and you can pick and choose who you chat with, who you listen to. The one undeniable draw that brings everyone in is the Pentax gear. Anything else is spurious, and either light relief, or unwelcome intrusion. Earwig or move away accordingly! Me? No, I'm not perched on a stool at the end of the bar puffing on a briar like Doug Brewer nor am I stood in close proximity, pint in hand, ready to unleash wit and wisdom like Mr Robb, nor am I sat in a comfortable chair holding court at a table like Cesar and Annsan et al. No, I'm sprawled over an entire table in a corner, Leatherman at the ready, tweaking some bit of kit or other, keeping half an ear cocked for the tidbit, half an ear for the jokes, and half an ear for the odd scrap. Hey, that's three halves - no better make mine a pint - gotta stagger home soon from Bar PDML 'Night all, *hic*... Cotty _ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ _ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ _
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It's tempting. But what's the use when one gets all the replies from those who swallow the flamebaits... Jostein -- Original Message -- From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:22:42 -0500 >Kill-file, Jostein, kill file... > >Jostein wrote: > >> >> Then I came to MacBurts atrocities and began to wonder if the PDML was >> worth hanging about much longer. >> > >-- >"Honour - that virtue of the unjust!" >-Albert Camus > > > .
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Kill-file, Jostein, kill file... Jostein wrote: > > Then I came to MacBurts atrocities and began to wonder if the PDML was > worth hanging about much longer. > -- "Honour - that virtue of the unjust!" -Albert Camus
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Arnold, As I waded through the 180-ish messages since yesterday, I kept thinking about what a bunch of complaining people we have become on this list. Then I came to MacBurts atrocities and began to wonder if the PDML was worth hanging about much longer. Posts like yours make the difference. Thanks! For my own part, i'd just say that if I believed for a _second_ that changing brands would make me a better photographer, I'd probably do it. That second has yet to pass. Best, Jostein - Original Message - From: "Arnold Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax) [...]
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Arnold, well put Vic
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
Arnold, I'm with you. I picked up a Pentax ES from repair this morning. The camera is old and battered (experienced). I bought it used on ebay. I've got the SMC 50mm f1.4 Takumar that Mike J. raved about on it. The feel of this whole system is wonderful and the image in the viewfinder is teriffic. Finding the camera and lens were part of the fun. Now the exposures will be OK too! Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 13.) With the exception of non-star FA series lenses, most Pentax gear > just feels better than Canon gear to me. This, of course, is very subjective. > 14.) While it is true that some Pentax items are hard to find, > eventually everything can be found, and the chasing is fun.
Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
From: Arnold Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:04:40 +0100 I even agree that the Canon AF system is more advanced and more complete. If someone wants IS, USM, eye-controlled AF sensor selection, AF teleconverters, and zooms like the 17-40/f4 USM or 70-200/f4 USM, then Canon EOS is the system to choose. Canon AF, and Nikon AF, system are more complete - yes. But the new AF system in the *ist seems very promising indeed. Not just one cross sensor - several of them. Probably very fast too. Pentax doesn't have to make all lenses with USM and IS, but they should use this technology with lenses that needs them the most. A good starting point would perhaps be... FA* 28-70 f/2.8 AL (USM), FA* 80-200 f/2.8 ED (USM), FA* 300 f/2.8 (USM), FA* 300 f/4.5 ED (USM, IS), FA* 400 f/4.5 ED (USM, IS). Or simply releasing the IS teleconverter that we have seen rumours for before. That would be a nice idea, a real technological breakthrough. What's missing in Pentax lineup, is good medium market lenses. Pentax hsa a good selection for beginners and the entry level market, and they have nice lenses for advanced amateurs and pro's (FA*, Limited). But the medium market? It's especially the zooms that's lacking. We have FA 24-90 f/3.5-4.5 and FA 20-35 f/4. But we don't have nice telephoto zoom, like Minolta 100-300 APO or Sigma AF 100-300 f/4 EX. We need a FA 100-400 f/4-5.6 ED (IF) and FA 70-300 f/4-5.6 ED. (with USM of course). And AF teleconverters of course, sure we can use Kenko - but it would be nice to have an AF TC with "Pentax" and "SMC" on it... :-) Best wishes, Roland _ Hitta rätt köpare på MSN Köp & Sälj http://www.msn.se/koposalj
