Re: Really Red
Two things: 1. This was taken with a Pentax lens on an Olympus E-PL1. Penatx bodies typically do less sharpening. 2. It looks better, but what is AB? On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Doing an AB on the untouched vs the image originally presented makes 90% of the edge line go away. But it is still there. Might just be the best the Pentax in camera firmware with a sharp transition from red to green. Can you view it full sized and untouched and see what's happening at the pixel level? I zoomed in as far as I could on the petal untouched, and actually see a ringing on the edge, as in an audio ringing but as an image. Very interesting. I'm sending a copy to Steve. On Apr 11, 2011, at 01:04 , Steven Desjardins wrote: Here it is simply reduced in size: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247710481_yspUL-L-LB I'm too used to Pentax. I always reduce and sharpen a bit since it's set pretty low on most Pentax bodies. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Steve: Can we see what the shot looks like before desaturation? There's a green outline around the petals--especially around the petal center-left. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Peso: Really Red I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Really Red
Something I first learned about working in the high end audio game in the early 70's. It refers to comparing two items by switching back and forth between each. Speakers, or any component in a audio chain from source onward, In this case, having each of the two images of the tulip stacked on top of each other, and switching back and forth. I probably should have written it as A:B to make it more clear. On Apr 12, 2011, at 05:18 , Steven Desjardins wrote: 2. It looks better, but what is AB? Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Really Red
Neat. New term for me. -Original Message- From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:40:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Really Red Something I first learned about working in the high end audio game in the early 70's. It refers to comparing two items by switching back and forth between each. Speakers, or any component in a audio chain from source onward, In this case, having each of the two images of the tulip stacked on top of each other, and switching back and forth. I probably should have written it as A:B to make it more clear. On Apr 12, 2011, at 05:18 , Steven Desjardins wrote: 2. It looks better, but what is AB? Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Really Red
Here it is simply reduced in size: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247710481_yspUL-L-LB I'm too used to Pentax. I always reduce and sharpen a bit since it's set pretty low on most Pentax bodies. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Steve: Can we see what the shot looks like before desaturation? There's a green outline around the petals--especially around the petal center-left. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Peso: Really Red I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
I think the detail looks pretty good. Maybe another nudge of sharpening.(?) I would certainly try either removing or greatly softening that stem (?) coming out of the larger blossom. I might, also, remove the far left OOF blossom. If you have any more frame on the left, suggest including the tip of the petal touching the frame edge. Jack --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Peso: Really Red To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 7:58 PM I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
I have a great deal of difficulty in photography red flowers, so i went out and bought pink ones. Dave On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
Nice composition... have you tried doing the brightness and contrast stuff instead of desaturating to get more detail? (I may be late to the party here) ann Steven Desjardins wrote: I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
The funny part is that we were all just commenting on the vivid reds of Kodachrome and here I am with this shot. I did find that a levels adjustment worked, but I may want a contradiction, i.e., vivid reds and details. I probably should try this with a different lens just to see. It's just nice to use this lens again since it's the first interchangeable camera lens I ever had (1974). On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Nice composition... have you tried doing the brightness and contrast stuff instead of desaturating to get more detail? (I may be late to the party here) ann Steven Desjardins wrote: I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
How about trying that lens on a Sigma DSLR (with a Foveon sensor)? I know this may not be practical but, technically, this is said to be a strength of the said sensor. My one and a half cents :) Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Really Red
Doing an AB on the untouched vs the image originally presented makes 90% of the edge line go away. But it is still there. Might just be the best the Pentax in camera firmware with a sharp transition from red to green. Can you view it full sized and untouched and see what's happening at the pixel level? I zoomed in as far as I could on the petal untouched, and actually see a ringing on the edge, as in an audio ringing but as an image. Very interesting. I'm sending a copy to Steve. On Apr 11, 2011, at 01:04 , Steven Desjardins wrote: Here it is simply reduced in size: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247710481_yspUL-L-LB I'm too used to Pentax. I always reduce and sharpen a bit since it's set pretty low on most Pentax bodies. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Steve: Can we see what the shot looks like before desaturation? There's a green outline around the petals--especially around the petal center-left. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Peso: Really Red I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso: Really Red
I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
On Apr 10, 2011, at 19:58 , Steven Desjardins wrote: I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? Reds are hard. I do notice that each petal of the tulip has a green line around it's edge adjacent to the OOF background. Could this be from over - something (sharpening?)? I have no suggestion on how to correct the red detail. Personally, on my iMac monitor, it looks better than most I've seen. Were it mine, I would consider it a success. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Really Red
Can you post the b/w you don't like and say what you'd like it to look like? I fooled with it a little in PSE9 and came up with this... http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/images/tulips.html -p On 4/10/2011 9:58 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Really Red
Hi Steve: Can we see what the shot looks like before desaturation? There's a green outline around the petals--especially around the petal center-left. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Peso: Really Red I took these shots this morning with the E-PL1 and my old m42 super Takumar 55 f2. http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1247354829_4u7Td-L-LB The flowers are so red that it obscures details . Desaturating shows more detail but the flowers look wrong. Any suggestions? -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
