Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
Thu Feb 10 23:58:33 CST 2011 mike wilson wrote: On 10/02/2011 15:06, Igor Roshchin wrote: That's great! That's basically what they say in the books about scientific/engineering writing. The very first thing a writer has to recognize are these three factors: audience, purpose, and occasion. The first, audience, defines what do they know?, why are they reading?, what expectations (and biases?) they have? The second, purpose, can be to perform or to persuade. The last one, occasion, defines things like format, formality, deadlines, politics, etc. From these considerations, the questions and the rationale you listed follow. I was teaching this material to physics major senior students just a week ago in my course The Art of Scientific Communication. If anyone is interested in reading, - I have a list of a few good books that discuss these and related topics in detail in a rather clear language: http://www.worldcat.org/profiles/roshchin/lists/1723072 I can add this book to your list. http://www.amazon.com/Scientists-Must-Write-Engineers-Routledge/dp/0415269962 Thank you! It looks like an interesting book. I just requested it from our local library to take a look at it. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
Wed Feb 9 12:23:34 CST 2011 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Doug Franklin jehosephat at mindspring.com wrote: ... I want to know why or under what circumstances I might wish to use a particular tool or technique. ... Yep. It's a really common problem with technical documentation. They (usually) tell you 'what' and 'how'. Rarely to they give you any idea of 'why' and 'when'. It's a difficult thing to keep in one's head while writing documentation for complex technical subjects. We tend to get caught up in the trees and forget to consider the forest and the landscape in which it sits ... I make a point of actually writing down, for each element of a system I'm documenting, four basic questions: What is this? Why is it important to know about it? How and When is it used? How is it implemented? Having those four questions in front of me as I work my way through a mass of engineering notes, design specs, and bug reporte, many of which may be way over my head - totally opaque! - at first, keeps me focused on explaining to an audience what they need to know in language they can understand. That's great! That's basically what they say in the books about scientific/engineering writing. The very first thing a writer has to recognize are these three factors: audience, purpose, and occasion. The first, audience, defines what do they know?, why are they reading?, what expectations (and biases?) they have? The second, purpose, can be to perform or to persuade. The last one, occasion, defines things like format, formality, deadlines, politics, etc. From these considerations, the questions and the rationale you listed follow. I was teaching this material to physics major senior students just a week ago in my course The Art of Scientific Communication. If anyone is interested in reading, - I have a list of a few good books that discuss these and related topics in detail in a rather clear language: http://www.worldcat.org/profiles/roshchin/lists/1723072 Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
On 10/02/2011 15:06, Igor Roshchin wrote: That's great! That's basically what they say in the books about scientific/engineering writing. The very first thing a writer has to recognize are these three factors: audience, purpose, and occasion. The first, audience, defines what do they know?, why are they reading?, what expectations (and biases?) they have? The second, purpose, can be to perform or to persuade. The last one, occasion, defines things like format, formality, deadlines, politics, etc. From these considerations, the questions and the rationale you listed follow. I was teaching this material to physics major senior students just a week ago in my course The Art of Scientific Communication. If anyone is interested in reading, - I have a list of a few good books that discuss these and related topics in detail in a rather clear language: http://www.worldcat.org/profiles/roshchin/lists/1723072 I can add this book to your list. http://www.amazon.com/Scientists-Must-Write-Engineers-Routledge/dp/0415269962 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
I also I detest the $75 books that are 2 thick that purport to teach one how to do something, yet are little more than screen shots of what the author did. Totally useless. I want to know why or under what circumstances I might wish to use a particular tool or technique. Many of them are totally superficial. Even Photoshop CS5 for Photographers has little more than a page or two per topic with it being half pictures that don't clearly illustrate the concept. Sent earlier from my Android Phone and subsequently trashed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
I also detest the $75 books that are 2 thick that purport to teach one how to do something, yet are little more than screen shots of what the author did. Totally useless. I want to know why or under what circumstances I might wish to use a particular tool or technique. Many of them are totally superficial. Even Photoshop CS5 for Photographers has little more than a page or two per topic with it being half pictures that don't clearly illustrate the concept. Sent earlier from my Android Phone and subsequently trashed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
On 2011-02-09 9:18, Tom C wrote: I also I detest the $75 books that are 2 thick that purport to teach one how to do something, yet are little more than screen shots of what the author did. Totally useless. I want to know why or under what circumstances I might wish to use a particular tool or technique. Many of them are totally superficial. Even Photoshop CS5 for Photographers has little more than a page or two per topic with it being half pictures that don't clearly illustrate the concept. Yep. It's a really common problem with technical documentation. They (usually) tell you 'what' and 'how'. Rarely to they give you any idea of 'why' and 'when'. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop Rant!
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: ... I want to know why or under what circumstances I might wish to use a particular tool or technique. ... Yep. It's a really common problem with technical documentation. They (usually) tell you 'what' and 'how'. Rarely to they give you any idea of 'why' and 'when'. It's a difficult thing to keep in one's head while writing documentation for complex technical subjects. We tend to get caught up in the trees and forget to consider the forest and the landscape in which it sits ... I make a point of actually writing down, for each element of a system I'm documenting, four basic questions: What is this? Why is it important to know about it? How and When is it used? How is it implemented? Having those four questions in front of me as I work my way through a mass of engineering notes, design specs, and bug reporte, many of which may be way over my head – totally opaque! – at first, keeps me focused on explaining to an audience what they need to know in language they can understand. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
Help in CS5 *SUCKS*. There is no help file. You have to download a new updated version of Adobe Air every time you need to consult help. And then it doesn't even have a help file, it's just a new proprietary web browser specific to some Adobe product. And what it turns up are goddamn VIDEO advertising tutorials, so I have to wade through the bullshit from Adobe Photoshop convention to find out something that should be 5 lines of text. Create new layer, image, whatever Go to this menu Select this tool It works like this 4 lines of text. F*%^n' IDIOTS! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3429 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
they do something similar, though not quite as bad, with Lightroom. It's to force you into buying a set of shitty books until you find one that's useful. B Help in CS5 *SUCKS*. There is no help file. You have to download a new updated version of Adobe Air every time you need to consult help. And then it doesn't even have a help file, it's just a new proprietary web browser specific to some Adobe product. And what it turns up are goddamn VIDEO advertising tutorials, so I have to wade through the bullshit from Adobe Photoshop convention to find out something that should be 5 lines of text. Create new layer, image, whatever Go to this menu Select this tool It works like this 4 lines of text. F*%^n' IDIOTS! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3429 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
What have you found that's un-shitty? I could use one for each of PS CS5 and LR. I have yet to find an actual reference myself. But for photo task-oriented stuff I'm pretty happy with two: Adobe PS CS4 for Photographers, Martin Evening The Creative Digital Darkroom, Katrin Eismann Sean Duggin. These both maintain a professional tone and avoid being pointlessly wordy. Evening's has a DVD of extra crud that I've so far ignored. -bmw On 11-02-08 2:48 PM, Bob W wrote: they do something similar, though not quite as bad, with Lightroom. It's to force you into buying a set of shitty books until you find one that's useful. B Help in CS5 *SUCKS*. There is no help file. You have to download a new updated version of Adobe Air every time you need to consult help. And then it doesn't even have a help file, it's just a new proprietary web browser specific to some Adobe product. And what it turns up are goddamn VIDEO advertising tutorials, so I have to wade through the bullshit from Adobe Photoshop convention to find out something that should be 5 lines of text. Create new layer, image, whatever Go to this menu Select this tool It works like this 4 lines of text. F*%^n' IDIOTS! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3429 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
I don't use Photoshop, but when I did I used Evening's book, and another one I can't remember which was about colour management based on numbers, and therefore useful to a colour-blind person like me. For Lightroom I have this: http://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Lightroom-Workbook-Workflow-Workslow/dp/0240 810678 It doesn't replace a help facility though. B What have you found that's un-shitty? I could use one for each of PS CS5 and LR. I have yet to find an actual reference myself. But for photo task-oriented stuff I'm pretty happy with two: Adobe PS CS4 for Photographers, Martin Evening The Creative Digital Darkroom, Katrin Eismann Sean Duggin. These both maintain a professional tone and avoid being pointlessly wordy. Evening's has a DVD of extra crud that I've so far ignored. -bmw On 11-02-08 2:48 PM, Bob W wrote: they do something similar, though not quite as bad, with Lightroom. It's to force you into buying a set of shitty books until you find one that's useful. B Help in CS5 *SUCKS*. There is no help file. You have to download a new updated version of Adobe Air every time you need to consult help. And then it doesn't even have a help file, it's just a new proprietary web browser specific to some Adobe product. And what it turns up are goddamn VIDEO advertising tutorials, so I have to wade through the bullshit from Adobe Photoshop convention to find out something that should be 5 lines of text. Create new layer, image, whatever Go to this menu Select this tool It works like this 4 lines of text. F*%^n' IDIOTS! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3429 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
On Feb 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: What have you found that's un-shitty? I could use one for each of PS CS5 and LR. I just post my question to PDML and Godfrey, the font of all adobe knowledge, usually answers it fairly promptly. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
From: Bob W they do something similar, though not quite as bad, with Lightroom. It's to force you into buying a set of shitty books until you find one that's useful. B I've got the books, but they didn't answer the *simple* question ... I created a signature brush in Photoshop CS3. I have CS5 installed on a different computer. How do I copy the brush over to the new computer? I needed it to complete some assignments I have to turn in to class tomorrow morning. I ended up having to create a file with nothing but the signature on my laptop and copy that file over to the new computer so I could then make a completely NEW signature brush. It just really chaps my butt to have to recreate a tool I'd already created just because Adobe's developers have to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place! Wasting time I could have used getting the actual assignment ready. Help in CS5 *SUCKS*. There is no help file. You have to download a new updated version of Adobe Air every time you need to consult help. And then it doesn't even have a help file, it's just a new proprietary web browser specific to some Adobe product. And what it turns up are goddamn VIDEO advertising tutorials, so I have to wade through the bullshit from Adobe Photoshop convention to find out something that should be 5 lines of text. Create new layer, image, whatever Go to this menu Select this tool It works like this 4 lines of text. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3429 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: What have you found that's un-shitty? I could use one for each of PS CS5 and LR. I just post my question to PDML and Godfrey, the font of all adobe knowledge, usually answers it fairly promptly. I've just gotta hang that Advice - 5 Cents Please! sign more visibly. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT Photoshop RANT!
On Feb 8, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: What have you found that's un-shitty? I could use one for each of PS CS5 and LR. I just post my question to PDML and Godfrey, the font of all adobe knowledge, usually answers it fairly promptly. I've just gotta hang that Advice - 5 Cents Please! sign more visibly. Godfrey, you're worth a nickel any night. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
