Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction
I am getting an invalid item when I follow the link. Very suspicious. On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 08:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Would you send a cheque for a large chunk of > money to someone in Bulgaria > > with 0 feedback? > > Peter > > > > Plus he/she is using pic's from what look like camera store websites. > > Dave > > Oh answer to your quiry...NO. :-) > > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Auctions could be legitimate. He may have access to stolen property. That fits the no reserve scenario. We had a fellow on eBay before that worked for a large camera store that was auctioning off stuff at heart attack prices. He got caught and then the buyers were questioned as to the whereabouts of the equipment they bought from him. I don't know that anything was ever actually recovered but the seller is, I believe, still in jail. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Tiger Moses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:48:27 -0600 Plus he's selling a BRAND NEW KODAK DCS 14n without a reserve, on a three day action! At 09:56 AM 12/23/2003 +, you wrote: Would you send a cheque for a large chunk of money to someone in Bulgaria with 0 feedback? Not that I have anything against Bulgaria in general. I have visited several times and it is a lovely country with some fantastic people, but there is something about this that looks slightly suspicious. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2974321167&category=300 20 Peter _ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
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king very hard to prevent scammers and the like 2) there is no "Bulgaria" in the UK... 8-) Mry Chritmoo (in the words of my 4yo) tan. - Original Message ----- From: "Leonard Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > Auctions could be legitimate. He may have access to stolen property. That > fits the no reserve scenario. We had a fellow on eBay before that worked > for a large camera store that was auctioning off stuff at heart attack > prices. He got caught and then the buyers were questioned as to the > whereabouts of the equipment they bought from him. I don't know that > anything was ever actually recovered but the seller is, I believe, still in > jail. > > Len > --- > * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > > > > >From: Tiger Moses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > >Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:48:27 -0600 > > > >Plus he's selling a BRAND NEW KODAK DCS 14n without a reserve, on a three > >day action! > > > >At 09:56 AM 12/23/2003 +, you wrote: > >>Would you send a cheque for a large chunk of money to someone in Bulgaria > >>with 0 feedback? > >> > >>Not that I have anything against Bulgaria in general. I have visited > >>several > >>times and it is a lovely country with some fantastic people, but there is > >>something about this that looks slightly suspicious. > >> > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2974321167&category=3 00 > >>20 > >> > >>Peter > > > > > > _ > Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet > access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >
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I wrote: "Ok, guys, so yep, the email HAS been pulled" Sorry, typo there, I *meant* "Ok, guys, so yep, the auction HAS been pulled" t.
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On 23/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor guy. I still >wouldn't part with any $$$ BUT, it does make me wonder if he wasn't >completely genuine. Hello Tanya, Planet Earth calling - come in Tanya ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 23/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >He just expected it to go much higher >having seen the other *istD auctions and didn't think he would *need* a >reserve price - of course, he also didn't take into consideration his >"exotic" location and his non-existent feedback, OR the fact that he only >became an Ebay member two days ago. The poor guy has probably been lurking >around ebay for years, and finally summed up enough courage to actually list >something, of course, had it been a roll of film he was trying to sell, he >probably would have received a much better response. Are you telling me that you have never heard of shill-bidding? Of setting up two or more eBay accounts with the express intention of scamming pretty Aussie's with bony butts?? There are many many documented examples of illegal activity involving eBay sellers and suspiciously good bargain sales. Have you ever wondered? There ain;t no such thing as a free lunch! If it looks to good to be true, it *is* too good to be true. Look - if you see a seller listing a high value item like a camera, and (say) he or she has 12 positive feedbacks, then it must be genuine right? Wrong. Look a little further, and you find out that thise 12 good feedbacks are all 'B' for Buyer - meaning the seller has purchased from 12 sellers to get 12 good feedbacks, and to top it all off they are for Pokemon cards. Well d'uh. I'm not a genius but even I get alarm bells ringing there. All is not as it seems, and this is just scratching the surface. We really should have an eBay masterclass sometime. I learn things all the time. Bulgaria??? Do me a favour! Mary Chritmoo, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Hey Cottster! I totally agree, and maybe that is just the girl coming out in me, cause I always *like* to give people the benefit of the doubt - in saying that though, as I said, I would never part with any of my $$$ for something that looked even remotely suspicious... Yep, I know about shill-bidding, BUT I had never thought of it in the respect that you are referring to, with the bidding/buying idea to build feedback etc. Actually, in retrospect, when thinking about this, I am surprised that people have EVER even bought from me, as this is almost what I did. In the first probably year on Ebay, I only ever purchased - and very small things too - usually $2 or $3 items of baby clothing. I think I had well over 30 or so "buying" feedbacks before I ever got the guts to actually sell something... Yeah, the Bulgaria thing is extremely eyebrow raising, and like I said in my last post, it was this comment in his email : "But if you want to win this amazing Pentax camera please watch auction very carefuly becuase i think that you will be outbid very soon" that really set the alarm bells off for me... "pretty Aussie's with bony butts??" hmmm, well, not sure that I agree with the "pretty" bit, BUT let me tell you, after tommorrow and the coming days "festivities" complete with LOTS of "good eatin'", combined with too many hours sitting in front of this bloody 'puter, I fear that it is starting to "err" on the side of "cuddly" rather than "bony"... hehe... Mary Chritmoo AND (he has just added this bit) a "Nappy Nooo Year", hehe, I just love kids (and especially mine of course!) lol... tan. - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > On 23/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >He just expected it to go much higher > >having seen the other *istD auctions and didn't think he would *need* a > >reserve price - of course, he also didn't take into consideration his > >"exotic" location and his non-existent feedback, OR the fact that he only > >became an Ebay member two days ago. The poor guy has probably been lurking > >around ebay for years, and finally summed up enough courage to actually list > >something, of course, had it been a roll of film he was trying to sell, he > >probably would have received a much better response. > > Are you telling me that you have never heard of shill-bidding? Of setting > up two or more eBay accounts with the express intention of scamming > pretty Aussie's with bony butts?? > > There are many many documented examples of illegal activity involving > eBay sellers and suspiciously good bargain sales. Have you ever wondered? > There ain;t no such thing as a free lunch! If it looks to good to be > true, it *is* too good to be true. > > Look - if you see a seller listing a high value item like a camera, and > (say) he or she has 12 positive feedbacks, then it must be genuine right? > > Wrong. Look a little further, and you find out that thise 12 good > feedbacks are all 'B' for Buyer - meaning the seller has purchased from > 12 sellers to get 12 good feedbacks, and to top it all off they are for > Pokemon cards. Well d'uh. I'm not a genius but even I get alarm bells > ringing there. > > All is not as it seems, and this is just scratching the surface. We > really should have an eBay masterclass sometime. I learn things all the time. > > Bulgaria??? Do me a favour! > > Mary Chritmoo, > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk >
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Hi, > Bulgaria??? Do me a favour! there are some honest Bulgarians, Cotty. I know some; in fact, I don't know any dishonest Bulgarians. Can't say that about all nationalities. Cheers, Bob
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Tanya,, I have this bridge in Brooklyn Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor guy. >
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Sorry Kenneth, I might be a bit lacking in the geography department here, so the joke hasn't hit its target... What is the name of the bridge that you are referring to? tan. - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > Tanya,, I have this bridge in Brooklyn > > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > > > > You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor guy. > >
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- Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > Sorry Kenneth, I might be a bit lacking in the geography department here, so > the joke hasn't hit its target... What is the name of the bridge that you > are referring to? I could also sell you a very nice island, just off that bridge. It originally sold for a few beads and trinkets. Make me an offer. WW
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G'day All. I think that Tanya is displaying the Australian trait of believing in others. We Aussies are more likely to believe somebody, because that is how we would want somebody to see us. I have been told that Australians are very gullible. But we are a very truthfull people. Tanya, I side with you. I seem to believe the bloke as well. Hooroo. Regards, Trevor Grafton, OZ Have a good Christmas all y'all. -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2003 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction Tanya,, I have this bridge in Brooklyn Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction > You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor guy. >
RE: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction
Tanya Mayer wrote: > You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor > guy. I still wouldn't part with any $$$ BUT, it does make me > wonder if he wasn't completely genuine. I would say that his > main mistake was listing without a reserve price, having had > no feedback. There some people out there trying to make a fast buck. I have to say that zero feedback alone would make me not want to bid, let alone the further complications you highlight. Of course a lot of feedback isn't really what it says. Graywolf already pointed this out that most 'positive' comments are really neutral, not bad, just what you would expect from a deal. Because I want a positive record, I'm just as guilty for giving positive feedback! I followed a recent sale of a non-mu 67 and 90mm lens that went for GBP435. Ten or so days after the sale, the buyer had it up for sale again with a reserve of GBP500. Given the amount of film cameras up for sale, I wonder if we will have more speculative buyers, seeing a quick profit. I'm still left with that nagging doubt that this way of buying an expensive item is fraught with danger, from exchange of funds, the postal system (some eBay purchases I have had were incredibly badly packed), to trusting your idea of good condition is also the same as the seller. Malcolm
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On 24/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >> > Sorry Kenneth, I might be a bit lacking in the geography department here, >> so >> > the joke hasn't hit its target... What is the name of the bridge that you >> > are referring to? >> > >Um, well we in New YAWK actually call it the Brooklyn Bridge :) > >> >> I could also sell you a very nice island, just off that bridge. It >> originally sold for a few beads and trinkets. >> Make me an offer. >> WW > >Actually, it was sold for $24. Paid to the regular purveyors of beads and >trinkets. :) > >Tanya, there is also a country song in our part of the globe where there is a >line >"I have ocean front property in Arizona" > >Time for you to google :) > >annsan Speaking of which, I could sell you a bridge in Arizona -d'oh! I already did sell it! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Cotty wrote: > On 24/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > ... > > > >Tanya, there is also a country song in our part of the globe where there is a > >line > >"I have ocean front property in Arizona" > > > >Time for you to google :) > > > >annsan > > Speaking of which, I could sell you a bridge in Arizona -d'oh! I already > did sell it! > > Cheers, > Cotty We have been to that bridge, Cotty :) I even have pictures (not anywhere I can find them of course) ann
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graywolf wrote: > Old American joke. The Brooklyn Bridge between Manhattan island and Brooklyn was > started in 1867 just after the Civil War and not completed until 1883. There > were many people killed in the construction of it including the designer. Most > of them from a mysterious caission disease, now know to have been the bends > caused by working at depths as much as 78 feet below sea level. > > At the time it was built it was the longest open span bridge in the world. It > was also the first steel cable suspension bridge, and had the highest towers of > any bridge (200ft). The New York (Manhattan) side tower was built on sand as > they never found bedrock though having gone down to that 78 feet below sea level > mentioned above. > > It was the biggest engineering feat in the world at the time, but it took so > long, had so many problems, and cost so much that "buying the Brooklyn bridge" > became a joke meaning buying something that was very expensive and would never > be completed. In other words a very stupid thing to buy. Most people use the > joke without having any real idea how it came about. > > http://www.endex.com/gf/buildings/bbridge/bbridge.html > > -- > Glad to hear that story, as I've often used the expression - to mean selling something that one does not own. I think that is the more popular meaning these days. ann
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Historical comments on Bridges and Islands: Buying the Brooklyn Bridge: When first built, the Brooklyn Bridge was a toll bridge, even levying a toll on pedestrian traffic. Hence, owning a bridge like that would be tantamount to owning a press that printed genuine currency. Some local sharpies developed (ah, a reference to photography) the practice of selling this apparently lucractive thoroughfare to visiting rubes. Now, crossing the bridge does not involve a toll, and the old reason for purchasing it is gone, but the phrase lingers. Buying the island of Manhattan: When the Dutch came to what is now New York City, they brought with them the quaint European concept of land ownership. Being good businessmen, the Dutch immediately tried to vastly underpay for the property they desired. They offered their c. $24 worth of trinkets to the locals they encountered for Manhattan. Land ownership was a foreign concept to the people living in the area, so they took the money and conveyed the land. Shortly after the deal was consumated, the Carnarsie Indians went back home to the area they lived in - Brooklyn. (They were just visiting.) Hmm, who cheated whom? Larry in Dallas (who actually grew up in NYC)
