Re: Snapchat also uses your photos perpetually (Re: Contracts for pro band photographers.)
John wrote: >That looks like the boilerplate, catch-all phrasing that's in Flickr's >T.O.S. to keep you from suing them if some third party steals your photo >from their site. You can still sue the third party, but you're agreeing >that whatever happens, it's not Flickr's fault. > >Plus it gives them the leeway to move photos around from one server farm >to another and gives them a reasonable amount of time to propagate the >removal of your images from Flickr's servers if/when you close your account. You got it. Almost all the objectionable items in these Terms of Service agreements are basically there as CYA material to protect the web service or social media site from litigious users and downloaders. No online service is going to sell your images to a third party even if their TOS technically allows them to because it's too risky: Flickr/Facebook/whoever can never be certain that the person who uploaded the image is really the copyright owner. If someone uploads an image that isn't theirs (which happens all the time) they can't grant legal any permissions for the use of that image no matter what the TOS says. Furthermore, in addition to copyright there's the matter of a model release if the image in question shows a recognizable person (as exemplified in the Flickr/Virgin Wireless debacle a few years back). http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=327 -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Snapchat also uses your photos perpetually (Re: Contracts for pro band photographers.)
On 11/4/2015 2:25 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Igor wrote: I am not using it, but here is what Snapchat included with the new terms of service: http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/10/30/snapchats-new-terms-let-it-store- and-reuse-your-photos-but-they-arent-scary/ You grant Snapchat a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license to host, store, use, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, edit, publish, create derivative works from, publicly perform, broadcast, distribute, syndicate, promote, exhibit, and publicly display that content in any form and in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed). Given the fact that Snapchat (at least initially) was aimed at "private" messaging (or was it messaging privates?), that type of TOS is even more disturbing (compared, say, to photohosting services). Unlike the 'Foo Fighters' contract, at least it seems to be limited to just this planet. Shocking really, but with that catch all at the start they never have to come back to you to ask permission to use your stuff in any way, as by signing up and accepting their terms and conditions, they have it. Just shows how much you have to examine the fine detail if you are using a service, or providing a photographic service to a third party to see what rights they expect to strip off you. Malcolm That looks like the boilerplate, catch-all phrasing that's in Flickr's T.O.S. to keep you from suing them if some third party steals your photo from their site. You can still sue the third party, but you're agreeing that whatever happens, it's not Flickr's fault. Plus it gives them the leeway to move photos around from one server farm to another and gives them a reasonable amount of time to propagate the removal of your images from Flickr's servers if/when you close your account. IIRC, Flickr also has or had a deal with Getty Images where they could peruse the images on Flickr and if they found one they wanted to buy, Flickr could give them your contact information so they could make you an offer. I don't know if Flickr got a cut/commission if you agreed to sell to Getty. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Snapchat also uses your photos perpetually (Re: Contracts for pro band photographers.)
I am not using it, but here is what Snapchat included with the new terms of service: http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/10/30/snapchats-new-terms-let-it-store-and-reuse-your-photos-but-they-arent-scary/ You grant Snapchat a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license to host, store, use, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, edit, publish, create derivative works from, publicly perform, broadcast, distribute, syndicate, promote, exhibit, and publicly display that content in any form and in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed). Given the fact that Snapchat (at least initially) was aimed at "private" messaging (or was it messaging privates?), that type of TOS is even more disturbing (compared, say, to photohosting services). Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Snapchat also uses your photos perpetually (Re: Contracts for pro band photographers.)
Igor wrote: > I am not using it, but here is what Snapchat included with the new > terms of service: > http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/10/30/snapchats-new-terms-let-it-store- > and-reuse-your-photos-but-they-arent-scary/ > > You grant Snapchat a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, sublicensable, > and transferable license to host, store, use, display, reproduce, > modify, adapt, edit, publish, create derivative works from, publicly > perform, broadcast, distribute, syndicate, promote, exhibit, and > publicly display that content in any form and in any and all media or > distribution methods (now known or later developed). > > > Given the fact that Snapchat (at least initially) was aimed at > "private" > messaging (or was it messaging privates?), that type of TOS is even > more disturbing (compared, say, to photohosting services). Unlike the 'Foo Fighters' contract, at least it seems to be limited to just this planet. Shocking really, but with that catch all at the start they never have to come back to you to ask permission to use your stuff in any way, as by signing up and accepting their terms and conditions, they have it. Just shows how much you have to examine the fine detail if you are using a service, or providing a photographic service to a third party to see what rights they expect to strip off you. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
