Re: Some quick monitor info
Paul, > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? not all LCDs are made equal, even when all of them say "Active matrix TFT". Currently (S-)IPS panels are probably the best for colour corrections/photo editing, followed by PVA and MVA. Most of the common LCDs are made using basic TN technology which is quite inferior to the above mentioned due to significant colour shifts when viewed from an angle among other things (fine for the office stuff though). If tech specs mention viewing angles 178/178, it's most probably PVA/MVA based display, 170/170 is characteristic of IPS. Latest TN panels offer 160/160 but I'd say it's more like 150/130 as the visible difference is considerably higher. Of course there are some other important aspects like quality and uniformity of the backlighting or internal gamma/LUT adjustements capabilities but the quality of the screen is primarily determined by used panel technology. Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
Thanks to all who commented - your insights will help my decision making when I start shopping. -p Paul Sorenson wrote: > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? > > Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some > shopping this afternoon. > > TIA > > -p > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
On 23/08/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The more and more I think about it, the more it becomes apparent that > regardless of how things look on my monitor I can be almost guaranteed it > won't look the same on someone else's, regardless of calibration, etc. > > If contrast is adjustable, doesn't this compensate for the contrast the > monitor is spec'd to have? Calibration using fixed black and white luminance points fixes the contrast ratio, if you are aiming to emulate the sRGB as your monitor device space then the value you should be setting for white luminance is about 80 cd/m2. At that luminance the better CRTs will be able to manage around 0.2 cd/m2 and most TFT will manage around 0.4 cd/m2 or 0.2 cd/m2 for the better high contrast models. A luminance range of 0.2 to 80 cd/m2 is 1:400. It a pity stuff all people seem to appreciate these fundamentals. http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
I'm no expert, but contrast ratio is important to me. It limits what I can see as far as dynamic range (of intensity). Viewing angle is important too, because with the less capable monitors, what you see can change drastically with viewing angle. Large viewing angle is good. Also, I like being able to adjust each color individually (not just what the manufacturers give you as their idea of color temperature). As to response time, it's only important to me because I also watch Hi-Def movies on mine. They ALL look better in a dark room. Regards, Bob... "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow." - Original Message - From: "Paul Sorenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? > > Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some > shopping this afternoon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Some quick monitor info > The more and more I think about it, the more it becomes apparent that > regardless of how things look on my monitor I can be almost guaranteed it > won't look the same on someone else's, regardless of calibration, etc. > > If contrast is adjustable, doesn't this compensate for the contrast the > monitor is spec'd to have? My concern is that if the native contrast is very high, then it might not be able to be adjusted to a level that is suited to image editing. My secondary monitor is a Samsung 192N, which apparently has a 700:1 contrast ratio as native. I find it is rather punchy for editing, which is why I am still using my old Samsung 955DF CRT monitor as my primary. As far as calibration goes, I'm not terribly concerned about what other people see, since I can't control their calibraton. All I can do is keep my system calibrated, which is somewhat of a compromise since I need my system to coordinate with what is coming off the lab, as well as my inkjet printer and still put something on the web that is viewable witout hurting to many sets of eyes. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Tom C wrote: > The more and more I think about it, the more it becomes apparent that > regardless of how things look on my monitor I can be almost > guaranteed it > won't look the same on someone else's, regardless of calibration, etc. > > If contrast is adjustable, doesn't this compensate for the contrast > the > monitor is spec'd to have? That depends upon the range of adjustability provided by the contrast adjustment control, and how well the calibration for color fidelity can be managed given a sensible contrast and brightness setting. The point of a quality monitor display is that it can display the range of tones and colors accurately to be used as a reference for doing photographic image processing: making web and print versions of photographs for display and distribution. The fact that other monitors might have difficulty displaying what your reference display renders with good fidelity isn't relevant. What's relevant is that such a monitor allows you to edit and view your work with consistency and quality. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
The more and more I think about it, the more it becomes apparent that regardless of how things look on my monitor I can be almost guaranteed it won't look the same on someone else's, regardless of calibration, etc. If contrast is adjustable, doesn't this compensate for the contrast the monitor is spec'd to have? Tom C. >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Some quick monitor info >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:19:38 -0600 > > >----- Original Message - >From: "Paul Sorenson" >Subject: Some quick monitor info > > > > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? > > > > Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some > > shopping this afternoon. > >Low contrast. A lot of monitors are very high contrast, upwards of 3000:1. >Great for games, but harsh for phtos. >The nice Eizo monitors that are designed for graphic arts are 600:1 or >thereabouts. > >William Robb > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
- Original Message - From: "Paul Sorenson" Subject: Some quick monitor info > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? > > Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some > shopping this afternoon. Low contrast. A lot of monitors are very high contrast, upwards of 3000:1. Great for games, but harsh for phtos. The nice Eizo monitors that are designed for graphic arts are 600:1 or thereabouts. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > >> It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to >> exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I >> were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? >> >> Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some >> shopping this afternoon. >> > > I'm sure others will pipe up with a bunch of specifications and > technology notions, but in practical terms I've found the Apple > Cinema Display 23" that I'm currently using to be superb, and barely > less in quality than the EIZO professional flat screen display of > similar size and double the price. That said, the Samsung SyncMaster > 205bw that I used as a temporary backup when my power supply bit the > dust last Fall, once properly calibrated with the Eye One Display 2, > produced on screen viewing and editing quality only marginally less > excellent albeit in a much cheaper, less stylish enclosure. And that > one cost 1/2 or less what the Apple monitor did. > > I'll second that. I don't own one and know next to nothing about the specs, but the Apple Cinema displays are some of the best looking monitors I've seen. Were I in the market one of those would be a serious consideration. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some quick monitor info
On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to > exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I > were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? > > Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some > shopping this afternoon. I'm sure others will pipe up with a bunch of specifications and technology notions, but in practical terms I've found the Apple Cinema Display 23" that I'm currently using to be superb, and barely less in quality than the EIZO professional flat screen display of similar size and double the price. That said, the Samsung SyncMaster 205bw that I used as a temporary backup when my power supply bit the dust last Fall, once properly calibrated with the Eye One Display 2, produced on screen viewing and editing quality only marginally less excellent albeit in a much cheaper, less stylish enclosure. And that one cost 1/2 or less what the Apple monitor did. This leads me to suggest that if you get any of the better, decent displays available today that run in the $500 to $800 price class AND get a good calibration/profiling utility, you will have a perfectly acceptable, useful monitor. The calibration/profiling tools are the real discriminator. And that said, one thing I do not like is the recent trend to displays with a glossy finish. Just like glossy prints, they drive me nutty with reflections and cause the photographs to become overly saturated and contrasty in appearance. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Some quick monitor info
It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem. If I were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for? Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some shopping this afternoon. TIA -p -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
