Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
From: "wendy beard > On 10/18/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. >> > >> > I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and >> > when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look >> > different from your "Tyra" image. >> > > > It is the same. I know it for a fact. > I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details. > > Wendy > > If you say so ... but what I see is: Tyra T-shirt ^ ^ - ^ / \/ \/ \/ \ o o o o u u -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
On 10/18/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FYI > > My photo > > http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 > > > > His version > > http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 > > > > Damn cheek > > > > Wendy > > I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. > > I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and > when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look > different from your "Tyra" image. > It is the same. I know it for a fact. I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details. Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Those are, IMO, most definitely the same image, The highlights & pattern in the fur are frighteningly similar. You could buy one to make certain. If your sure that it is your sho,t I'd send the seller a polite email asking them to remove it, as it's in violation of the cafepress Content Usage Policy guidelines: "Is it ok to use an image I found on the Internet? Simply because an image is found on the Internet does not mean that it is in the public domain or available for commercial use on merchandise. You should assume that you cannot use the work unless the author of the work has explicitly granted you a license to use the work or it is in the public domain. Further, a person who posts an image on the Internet and claims that you are free to use it may not have had the right to post the image in the first place. Thus, your use of the image may violate the rights of the actual copyright owner." .and "I based my artwork on the artwork of a third party, is that ok? It depends. Artwork derived from the previous work of another may violate the rights of the owner of the previous work. If you are creating a design that is based on the work of someone else, you may need to obtain permission from the original creator prior to creating your own work. You should consult with an attorney before using works based on the work of another through the CafePress Service." If that doesn't work alert Cafepress. And if that doesn't work, release the hounds, so to speak. Cheers, Dave On 10/19/07, wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy > a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores. > Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my > photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with > his signature on it! > > FYI > My photo > http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 > > His version > http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 > > Damn cheek > > Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
It's hard to tell but it certainly looks like its the same. I'm not sure what your recourse is besides sending a cease and desist letter. wendy beard wrote: > Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy > a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores. > Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my > photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with > his signature on it! > > FYI > My photo > http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 > > His version > http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 > > Damn cheek > > Wendy > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing > > I never imagined Bill would do something like that. You just never can > tell > who your friends are. Har. Wrong breed. Belgians are chew toys for real dogs William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
From: "wendy beard" > Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy > a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores. > Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my > photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with > his signature on it! > > FYI > My photo > http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 > > His version > http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 > > Damn cheek > > Wendy I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look different from your "Tyra" image. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Filing a complaint already I hope. Even though converted, the reflections in the eyes would seem to give it away. I never imagined Bill would do something like that. You just never can tell who your friends are. Tom C. >From: "wendy beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question >About Editing >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:56 -0400 > >Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy >a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores. >Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my >photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with >his signature on it! > >FYI >My photo >http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 > >His version >http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 > >Damn cheek > >Wendy > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores. Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with his signature on it! FYI My photo http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 His version http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288 Damn cheek Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Tom C wrote: >I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here: > >http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html > >No idea what it means. > >Another one here: > >http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/ > >and one I can't find now of the same image above. > >My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three. Bothers me, >but not enough to do anything. > > >Tom C. > At least the credited you - that's a plus :) ann > > > > >>From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About >>Editing >>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400 >> >>Malcolm Smith wrote: >> >> >> >>>To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking >>>pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to >>>take and use one from the web somewhere! >>> >>> >>> >>The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought >>something from me >>and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he >>took it... it was then he >>told me it wasn't his! >> >> >> >>>For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect >>>pictures for this use; >>> >>> >>> >>I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan" and the >>year . But I so seldom >>sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was >>pirated. >> >> >> >>>clear enough to see what is for sale but not good >>>enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick >>> >>> >>one >> >> >>>for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since. >>> >>> >>> >>I use the best photo I have the patience for :) >>ann >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>follow the directions. >> >> > > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
My sense is that they were being used as examples or to illustrate something regarding the Pentax brand. It's far different than the guy that took my aurora photos, posted them on his sub-page of a mountaineering site and pretended as if he was the photographer, with the ficticious date and place. That made me mad! :-) Tom C. >From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >Subject: RE: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question >About Editing >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:14:26 +0100 > >Tom C wrote: > > > My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three. > > Bothers me, but not enough to do anything. > >Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed. > >Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with >no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet >is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used. > >I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better >than mine. > >Malcolm > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Tom C wrote: > My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three. > Bothers me, but not enough to do anything. Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed. Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used. I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better than mine. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here: http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html No idea what it means. Another one here: http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/ and one I can't find now of the same image above. My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three. Bothers me, but not enough to do anything. Tom C. >From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About >Editing >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400 > >Malcolm Smith wrote: > > > > >To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking > >pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one >of > >these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to > >take and use one from the web somewhere! > > >The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought >something from me >and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he >took it... it was then he >told me it wasn't his! > > >For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect > >pictures for this use; > > >I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan" and the >year . But I so seldom >sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was >pirated. > > > clear enough to see what is for sale but not good > >enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick >one > >for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since. > > >I use the best photo I have the patience for :) >ann > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Malcolm Smith wrote: > >To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking >pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one of >these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to >take and use one from the web somewhere! > The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought something from me and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he took it... it was then he told me it wasn't his! >For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect >pictures for this use; > I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan" and the year . But I so seldom sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was pirated. > clear enough to see what is for sale but not good >enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick one >for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since. > I use the best photo I have the patience for :) ann > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: RE: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing > I can appreciate adequate. When we were buying our house the real estate > photos did not show mountains around the house at all. Nor did it show off > any of the architectural styling of the house. It showed the house, > looking > straight at the garage, and behind it appeared to be a dry barren flat > field. The picture was entirely misleading. :-) Dumb realtor, but lucky for you. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Tom C wrote: > Good points. > > You also don't show those photos where you've merely strived > for and achieved adequate, those where you were merely trying > to record an image, expecting critiques, or positive feedback. > > I can appreciate adequate. When we were buying our house the > real estate photos did not show mountains around the house at > all. Nor did it show off any of the architectural styling of > the house. It showed the house, looking straight at the > garage, and behind it appeared to be a dry barren flat field. > The picture was entirely misleading. :-) I certainly don't try to show them off as photographs in their own right, but I've handed a few across to people doing a similar job in the way you would lend someone a tool to make the work easier. As for positive feedback, like your house, you weren't buying the picture of it, you were buying the item and that's what you get the positive feedback on :-) Estate agents/real estate photograph is an art in it's own right. Had someone with the wallet of Bill Gates been buying a similar property, you would have found the mountains in perfect focus. That's because they would have formed part of the garden. The mountains and views are spectacular around your house, even though they aren't yours! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Good points. You also don't show those photos where you've merely strived for and achieved adequate, those where you were merely trying to record an image, expecting critiques, or positive feedback. I can appreciate adequate. When we were buying our house the real estate photos did not show mountains around the house at all. Nor did it show off any of the architectural styling of the house. It showed the house, looking straight at the garage, and behind it appeared to be a dry barren flat field. The picture was entirely misleading. :-) Tom C. >From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >Subject: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:26:03 +0100 > >Tom C wrote: > > > To your last point, I agree, but ask, who is striving for > > adequate? Maybe some are. Adequate means the vacation shot > > gets included in the family album. If that's what I'm > > shooting for, fine, but I'm generally trying to achieve > > something beyond that. > >I have three categories of photography. > >1. Photos I take when I'm dismantling something and need to know how it >goes >back together. As long as the series of pictures show what I need to know, >adequate is just fine. > >2. Selling on eBay. Over the last couple of years I've seen three images >appear, where I have been surprised to see not only something like a >picture >I took for an item, but it sitting on my table and on my carpet! I got all >three images removed but what annoys me most, is that if someone had asked >if I would mind if they used my image, and said that it wasn't their >picture >(but mine) and what they had was very similar, I would have been happy for >them to use it. > >To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking >pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one of >these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to >take and use one from the web somewhere! > >For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect >pictures for this use; clear enough to see what is for sale but not good >enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick >one >for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since. > >3. Photographs for pleasure. Here I don't strive for adequate. I do >occasionally do silly things like look at the back of an LX to see how a >picture came out! I am slowly over time using digital more. There are >however, times where I do strive for adequate. > >Malcolm > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Tom C wrote: > To your last point, I agree, but ask, who is striving for > adequate? Maybe some are. Adequate means the vacation shot > gets included in the family album. If that's what I'm > shooting for, fine, but I'm generally trying to achieve > something beyond that. I have three categories of photography. 1. Photos I take when I'm dismantling something and need to know how it goes back together. As long as the series of pictures show what I need to know, adequate is just fine. 2. Selling on eBay. Over the last couple of years I've seen three images appear, where I have been surprised to see not only something like a picture I took for an item, but it sitting on my table and on my carpet! I got all three images removed but what annoys me most, is that if someone had asked if I would mind if they used my image, and said that it wasn't their picture (but mine) and what they had was very similar, I would have been happy for them to use it. To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one of these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to take and use one from the web somewhere! For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect pictures for this use; clear enough to see what is for sale but not good enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick one for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since. 3. Photographs for pleasure. Here I don't strive for adequate. I do occasionally do silly things like look at the back of an LX to see how a picture came out! I am slowly over time using digital more. There are however, times where I do strive for adequate. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
