RE: The Cult of Leica
Don't you think they a cooperating jsut a little? I mean, Pentaxes aren'tt just rebadged Samsungs, are they? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. september 2007 21:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: The Cult of Leica Leica PS cameras. Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics? Jim A. Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 09/20/2007 12:07 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 09/25/2007 08:02 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/26 Wed AM 01:14:31 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica Bill, I'm pretty sure Godders was talking about Panasonic, not Fuji. I knew that. I was just testing. Bet you weren't testing tea. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Cult of Leica
No, but with the exception of the GX10, Samsung's are just rebadged Pentaxes. The differences between the Leica and Panasonic digitals is software only. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: Don't you think they a cooperating jsut a little? I mean, Pentaxes aren'tt just rebadged Samsungs, are they? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. september 2007 21:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: The Cult of Leica Leica PS cameras. Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics? Jim A. Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 09/20/2007 12:07 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 09/25/2007 08:02 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: In simple terms the answer to Boris' question is yes: Panasonic is manufacturing the lenses used in both Panasonic and Leica digital cameras. Is this a great surprise? Leica has had their lenses manufactured by Minolta, Tamron and others in the past. The manufacture of complex mechanical-electro-optical devices is a global business. ... That would be my perception as well. So that Panny does not know much of big-L secrets, yet they enjoy the fruits of the cooperation to the full extent... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SV: The Cult of Leica
I'd love to have the M8, but until I can afford to spend more than a months worth of wages on at camera - I'll stick to my trusty old Pseudo Leica - the Leica CL :-) BTW - the Panasonics are not too bad imagemakers (nice lenses) - but just kinda cumbersome to handle: http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/1085606405/in/set-72157601372352118/ Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. september 2007 21:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: The Cult of Leica Leica PS cameras. Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics? Jim A. Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 09/20/2007 12:07 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 09/24/2007 19:09 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
Panasonic and Leica digital camera models are siblings (not the M8 or R9/DMR of course). Panasonic does the manufacturing, Leica provides the lens design, engineering collaboration on the lens manufacturing process and performance specs, quality assurance testing on the design and additional QA on the finished goods carrying their brand name/packaging. The D-Lux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2, the V- Lux 1 is sibling to the Panasonic FZ50, and the Digilux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic L1. On the earlier LX1/D-Lux 2 siblings, I owned the LX1 and compared it against a borrowed DLux 2. There were NO difference at all other than styling and Leicas branding/QA/warranty. With the L1/Digilux3, Leica's specification for the in-camera JPEG rendering options is very different from Panasonic's. I have the L1, borrowed a Digilux3 and compared the RAW files on a standard target subject. There is no difference in the RAW data itself, but the metadata is somewhat different reflecting the JPEG processing differences. Only other difference is that the Leica model outputs DNG format RAW files, where the L1 puts out Panasonic RAW files (I convert them to DNG format on import to Lightroom). Since I never use JPEGs from the camera, the cameras are identical for my use. I don't know whether the D Lux 3 or V Lux 1 have similar differences now. I've had three Panasonic cameras (FZ10, LX1, and L1). All three have been excellent performers. The L1 in particular is a far better camera than the review press makes it out to be. The Leica siblings are similarly excellent performers. I'm not sure why Jens is saying that they're cumbersome to handle ... the FZ10 and L1 certainly are not, the LX1 was a little fiddly like most compact cameras of its size/design. Yes, I'd like an M8 too. Body and Elmarit-M 24/2.8 ASPH lens, please. Definitely out of my salary bracket at the moment... ! ;-) Godfrey On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:13 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I'd love to have the M8, but until I can afford to spend more than a months worth of wages on at camera - I'll stick to my trusty old Pseudo Leica - the Leica CL :-) BTW - the Panasonics are not too bad imagemakers (nice lenses) - but just kinda cumbersome to handle: http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/1085606405/in/set-72157601372352118/ Leica PS cameras. Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics? Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
Hi! On 9/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Panasonic and Leica digital camera models are siblings (not the M8 or R9/DMR of course). Panasonic does the manufacturing, Leica provides the lens design, engineering collaboration on the lens manufacturing process and performance specs, quality assurance testing on the design and additional QA on the finished goods carrying their brand name/packaging. The D-Lux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2, the V- Lux 1 is sibling to the Panasonic FZ50, and the Digilux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic L1. Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may be I misunderstand you?! Thanks. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the EVF one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without the Red Dot too. I have the Leica D-Lux 3 (which is also the Panny LX2 - I thought it looked better without the ugly grip on the front.) Great little camera - lots of fun to use. The sensor can be a little noisy at ISO 400 but I'm happy with it overall. Here are some boring sample shots: http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p1071070963 Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/25/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may be I misunderstand you?! Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having Leica glass. Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's a fairly nice collection of photographs. (So some were just record shots, but some showed a lot of imagination). Amita Guha wrote: On 9/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the EVF one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without the Red Dot too. I have the Leica D-Lux 3 (which is also the Panny LX2 - I thought it looked better without the ugly grip on the front.) Great little camera - lots of fun to use. The sensor can be a little noisy at ISO 400 but I'm happy with it overall. Here are some boring sample shots: http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p1071070963 Amita -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Amita Guha wrote: Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may be I misunderstand you?! Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having Leica glass. In simple terms the answer to Boris' question is yes: Panasonic is manufacturing the lenses used in both Panasonic and Leica digital cameras. Is this a great surprise? Leica has had their lenses manufactured by Minolta, Tamron and others in the past. The manufacture of complex mechanical-electro-optical devices is a global business. More specifically, Leica designs the lenses' optics then works with Panasonic on the manufacturing process. The glass lens elements are delivered from Leica to Panasonic, then Panasonic's production line assembles them with the mounts and electronics required. Products that are certified and branded with Leica's name, whether in the fixed lens digicams or for the DSLRs, have been manufactured after meeting Leica and Panasonic's agreed upon performance specification. A Leica controlled Development and Quality team is housed at Panasonic's manufacturing and engineering facilities. Post-manufacture, camera and lens units to be sold in Leica packaging with the Leica brand name and warranty are shipped to Leica, Germany for further, post production QA and packaging. These units have to meet higher quality control standards, a greater percentage of them are given reworks or returned to the factory for reclamation. It's one of the reasons why the Leica models have a higher price, aside from the brand's perceived market value-add. Modern 4/3 System interchangeable lenses and compact digital camera manufacture is very complex and requires a fully integrated approach to the manufacturing/assembly process to be profitable and produce consistently good units. There are a lot of electronics in even the 4/3 system lenses ... each of my Olympus and Panasonic/Leica lenses has servomotors to drive both aperture and focusing mechanisms, a cpu and flash memory storage to handle the camera-lens control operation, etc. The classical image of a lens making craftsman with a lathe, grinder and optical bench are long past ... ! This is quite similar to the relationship that Zeiss and Kyocera had with regard to the Contax line of 35mm and 645 cameras/lenses, and similar to what Zeiss does with Sony today. Zeiss also has relationships with Cosina for lens and camera production on the Zeiss Ikon camera and lens line, and the new Zeiss SLR lenses for Nikon, Pentax, etc. Business as usual in today's global marketplace. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi! Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: In simple terms the answer to Boris' question is yes: Panasonic is manufacturing the lenses used in both Panasonic and Leica digital cameras. Is this a great surprise? Leica has had their lenses manufactured by Minolta, Tamron and others in the past. The manufacture of complex mechanical-electro-optical devices is a global business. That's kind of unusual, at least to me. I thought that the lens manufacture process was more of a sacred cow (trade and technical secrets) for big names in camera business. After all, Panasonic is more known as manufacturer of electronics, not the lens maker. But yes of course, Leica could teach Panasonic how to produce lenses. Modern 4/3 System interchangeable lenses and compact digital camera manufacture is very complex and requires a fully integrated approach to the manufacturing/assembly process to be profitable and produce consistently good units. There are a lot of electronics in even the 4/3 system lenses ... each of my Olympus and Panasonic/Leica lenses has servomotors to drive both aperture and focusing mechanisms, a cpu and flash memory storage to handle the camera-lens control operation, etc. The classical image of a lens making craftsman with a lathe, grinder and optical bench are long past ... ! Yes of course. But yet again, the optical formulas and some other tricks that may need to be applied are as important as ever. Correct me if I am wrong but both formulas for T* and SMC coatings are still well guarded secrets... This is quite similar to the relationship that Zeiss and Kyocera had with regard to the Contax line of 35mm and 645 cameras/lenses, and similar to what Zeiss does with Sony today. Zeiss also has relationships with Cosina for lens and camera production on the Zeiss Ikon camera and lens line, and the new Zeiss SLR lenses for Nikon, Pentax, etc. Business as usual in today's global marketplace. That is clearly understood ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: ...In simple terms the answer to Boris' question is yes: Panasonic is manufacturing the lenses used in both Panasonic and Leica digital cameras. Is this a great surprise? Leica has had their lenses manufactured by Minolta, Tamron and others in the past. The manufacture of complex mechanical-electro-optical devices is a global business. That's kind of unusual, at least to me. I thought that the lens manufacture process was more of a sacred cow (trade and technical secrets) for big names in camera business. After all, Panasonic is more known as manufacturer of electronics, not the lens maker. But yes of course, Leica could teach Panasonic how to produce lenses. Modern 4/3 System interchangeable lenses and compact digital camera manufacture is very complex and requires a fully integrated approach to the manufacturing/assembly process to be profitable and produce consistently good units. There are a lot of electronics in even the 4/3 system lenses ... each of my Olympus and Panasonic/Leica lenses has servomotors to drive both aperture and focusing mechanisms, a cpu and flash memory storage to handle the camera-lens control operation, etc. The classical image of a lens making craftsman with a lathe, grinder and optical bench are long past ... ! Yes of course. But yet again, the optical formulas and some other tricks that may need to be applied are as important as ever. Correct me if I am wrong but both formulas for T* and SMC coatings are still well guarded secrets... Panasonic is not a manufacturer of optical glass or coatings, nor are they noted for optical design expertise (although they do have some resources in this direction ... remember that Panasonic has been delivering a line of high quality video equipment, professional cameras and recording/editing devices, for many years). That's why they collaborate with Leica on optical and still camera design, and with Olympus as well. There are certainly some trade secrets (and more importantly expertise in design and imaging performance) in the manufacture of lenses that live in the domain of a manufacturers' branding. But these things are shared above the secret level ... or with binding contracts ... when companies are collaborating to allow efficient manufacture as required. For instance, Leica may produce the lens elements on their own, coatings and cemented assemblies, that Panasonic then integrates into the manufacturing process. Panasonic doesn't have to know all the formulations of the glass and coatings to understand the mount assembly required, all they need is the specifics of how the mount must be dimensioned, etc. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 25/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: remember that Panasonic has been delivering a line of high quality video equipment, professional cameras and recording/editing devices, for many years True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon of Fujinon lens attached. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Cotty wrote: remember that Panasonic has been delivering a line of high quality video equipment, professional cameras and recording/editing devices, for many years True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or Fujinon lens attached. They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc. They're not an optical company. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Amita Guha Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having Leica glass. That's like calling the kit lens on the Samsung K10 clone a Schneider lens. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or Fujinon lens attached. They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc. They're not an optical company. :-) Hmmm. I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a Fuji large format lens. Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens sitting on my desk somewhere. And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good Fujinon lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they were making for so long. I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own name, which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon lenses. They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have probably got more optical expertise than many optical companies. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon of Fujinon lens attached. My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 25/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens. The vast majority of interchangeable video lenses are Canon. Fuji make cost-effective alternatives. There are other makes found once in a blue moon but you'll come across milk-baring teets on a bloke sooner. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or Fujinon lens attached. They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc. They're not an optical company. :-) Hmmm. I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a Fuji large format lens. Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens sitting on my desk somewhere. And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good Fujinon lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they were making for so long. I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own name, which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon lenses. They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have probably got more optical expertise than many optical companies. William Robb Bill, I'm pretty sure Godders was talking about Panasonic, not Fuji. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Here ya go. http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/miscarticles/milkmen.html Cotty wrote: On 25/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens. The vast majority of interchangeable video lenses are Canon. Fuji make cost-effective alternatives. There are other makes found once in a blue moon but you'll come across milk-baring teets on a bloke sooner. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:58 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or Fujinon lens attached. They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc. They're not an optical company. :-) Hmmm. I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a Fuji large format lens. Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens sitting on my desk somewhere. And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good Fujinon lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they were making for so long. I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own name, which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon lenses. They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have probably got more optical expertise than many optical companies. Not sure what you're saying, Bill. Panasonic (Matsushita) and Fuji are two separate companies. Fuji definitely has a lot of optical expertise. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:02 PM, William Robb wrote: Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having Leica glass. That's like calling the kit lens on the Samsung K10 clone a Schneider lens. Not quite. Schneider did not design or have any hand in the development of the lenses sold for the Samsung. Leica did in the case of the Panasonic cameras. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica Bill, I'm pretty sure Godders was talking about Panasonic, not Fuji. I knew that. I was just testing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica Not sure what you're saying, Bill. Panasonic (Matsushita) and Fuji are two separate companies. Fuji definitely has a lot of optical expertise. I think Adam summed it up quite nicely. Confusion R us. Or me, anyway. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/19 Wed PM 05:59:28 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Cult of Leica On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). I have to say, Paul, while I hope to be shooting TriX in my Leica for a long long time, I'm amazed at how quickly I've been converted by the siren-call of digital. Me too. I have a safe full of Leicae and Contaces (oh, alright, Leicas and Contaxes), and a fridge full of Tri-X, and haven't touched them for over a year. Must make amends. Treating film as sackcloth and ashes is the surest way I can think of killing it off completely. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 20, 2007, at 2:20 AM, mike wilson wrote: Treating film as sackcloth and ashes is the surest way I can think of killing it off completely. It isn't dead already?];-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Walter Hamler wrote: Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the EVF one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without the Red Dot too. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? I thought it was some sort of military vehicle... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? I thought it was some sort of military vehicle... The M8 was a cancelled project that ended up having the prototypes see service in Afghanistan (As the vehicle that was supposed to fill the hole, the Stryker MGS, isn't ready yet and isn't transportable in a C-130, unlike the M8) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Leica PS cameras. Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics? Jim A. Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/09/2007, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that..I have an M4...the last of the bench built Leicas. It also is a fantastic machine as well as a great camera. The sound of a Leica going off is delicious just by itself. I think that bringing any Leica to your eye changes your viewpoint because the emphasis is seeing what the lens sees rather than just looking into a slr viewport. I love my M4, I've thought about selling it a few times as it's rarely used these days but I just can't bring myself to do it. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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IIRC, he originally said that he has seen that happen but didn't get the photo, so did a recreation of it. Decades later he claimed it was not staged. So you decide. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my CL and take it for a walk. Thanks for a terrific read, Bob! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Just laziness, that's all. frank theriault wrote: On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). I have to say, Paul, while I hope to be shooting TriX in my Leica for a long long time, I'm amazed at how quickly I've been converted by the siren-call of digital. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: pnstenquist BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Paul The Eisenstaedt quote would indicate it was not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Gullibles travels. That photo appeared in Life Magazine in 1945. Back then there were two people in the US who did not at least browse through Life Magazine, they were both in a coma (hypebole for emphasis). And it took 50+ years to find the people in the photo. HCB himself told the story both ways. Mark Roberts wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Nope. That was a genuine grab shot. They just recently succeeded in tracking down both the sailor and the nurse in that photo, by the way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Nice article, thanks for posting the link. I enjoyed my Leica lenses and cameras immensely ... All told I had the IIc, IIf, IIIf, M3, M4-P (x2), and M6TTL over the period from 1969 to 2002. It was the Leica-design Vario-Elmarit 14-50mm ASPH OIS zoom that encouraged me to try the Panasonic L1 when its price dropped precipitously last May. That lens is a superb performer, but it's a bit bulky. Fit the L1 with the Pentax K17FE, DA21 or Olympus ZD 35 Macro, however, and I feel like I have my Leica M in my hands again. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob, Thanks for the link. It was a most interesting read. I had to chuckle with The photographer was on the run, so whatever he was carrying had to be light and trim enough not to be a drag. I own a IIIf and an M3 (both purchased used) and the one thing that I recall after a day of shooting was the weightiness of the camera. Even carrying a couple of LXen was all day did not remind me that I carried cameras on me all day. He does note later in the article the density: the object sits neatly but not lightly in the hand, and a full day’s shooting, with the camera continually hefted to the eye, leaves you with a faint but discernible case of wrist ache so I see that I am not alone in that respect. Still there is something about shooting with a Leica and its stillness. I cannot claim to any remarkable shots with it so it is more than the camera and lens that makes the shot. Though from my first roll through my I did like this one: http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/iiifinitiation.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=43 I have been shooting my 67 in terms of film lately. You have reminded me of my 35mm that has sat mostly neglected, awaiting my next extended trip out when compactness wins out over negative size. Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -Original Message- From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 19, 2007 12:15 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: The Cult of Leica http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Arr, matey, but compared to the other gear o' the day, such be ye Medalist, ar some such press device, t'were light an' handy... Cesar wrote: Bob, Thanks for the link. It was a most interesting read. I had to chuckle with The photographer was on the run, so whatever he was carrying had to be light and trim enough not to be a drag. I own a IIIf and an M3 (both purchased used) and the one thing that I recall after a day of shooting was the weightiness of the camera. Even carrying a couple of LXen was all day did not remind me that I carried cameras on me all day. He does note later in the article the density: the object sits neatly but not lightly in the hand, and a full day’s shooting, with the camera continually hefted to the eye, leaves you with a faint but discernible case of wrist ache so I see that I am not alone in that respect. Still there is something about shooting with a Leica and its stillness. I cannot claim to any remarkable shots with it so it is more than the camera and lens that makes the shot. Though from my first roll through my I did like this one: http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/iiifinitiation.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=43 I have been shooting my 67 in terms of film lately. You have reminded me of my 35mm that has sat mostly neglected, awaiting my next extended trip out when compactness wins out over negative size. Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -Original Message- From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 19, 2007 12:15 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: The Cult of Leica http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my CL and take it for a walk. Thanks for a terrific read, Bob! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cesar wrote: I own a IIIf and an M3 (both purchased used) Mark! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my CL and take it for a walk. Thanks for a terrific read, Bob! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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-- Original message -- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cesar wrote: I own a IIIf and an M3 (both purchased used) Mark! Why? Am I missing something? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my CL and take it for a walk. Thanks for a terrific read, Bob! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). I have to say, Paul, while I hope to be shooting TriX in my Leica for a long long time, I'm amazed at how quickly I've been converted by the siren-call of digital. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It also ignores the thread mount cameras, which is odd given its fascination with beautiful machinery. For sheer mechanical artistry, I don't think anything can compare with a IIIG or even a IIIf. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cesar wrote: I own a IIIf and an M3 (both purchased used) Mark! Why? Am I missing something? Never mind. Must have been a MOTO moment. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I wouldn't be shocked to hear that's true, a lot of Eisenstaedt's work was posed, especially the early work. But that's one of the few shots by him that doesn't seem lifeless to me, so it may well be a candid. -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my CL and take it for a walk. Thanks for a terrific read, Bob! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It doesn't entirely. But the Uver-Leica is and always will be the M3. The LTM cameras are more baroque in design and interfere in your shooting more (stupid shutter dials). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also ignores the thread mount cameras, which is odd given its fascination with beautiful machinery. For sheer mechanical artistry, I don't think anything can compare with a IIIG or even a IIIf. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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True, the LTMs aren't as capable as an M3, but they're prettier. And the IIIg is more expensive, which is partly due to its having been produced small numbers but it's also a function of its desirability. -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It doesn't entirely. But the Uver-Leica is and always will be the M3. The LTM cameras are more baroque in design and interfere in your shooting more (stupid shutter dials). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also ignores the thread mount cameras, which is odd given its fascination with beautiful machinery. For sheer mechanical artistry, I don't think anything can compare with a IIIG or even a IIIf. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't be shocked to hear that's true, a lot of Eisenstaedt's work was posed, especially the early work. But that's one of the few shots by him that doesn't seem lifeless to me, so it may well be a candid. I'm sure it ~wasn't~ staged. I read an article on it once which included an interview of Eisie. There were about 5 frames of the soldier as he grabbed other women, none of which were remarkable shots. The photo in question certainly seemed to go with the other frames shown, none of which ~could~ have been staged. There were, several other attempts by other lesser photographers to replicate the photo which were subsequently published. Those were all staged. There has also been a parade of people claiming to have been the sailor and the nurse, claiming compensation from Eisenstadt and his estate. So far, none has been successful. I do recall seeing one of the nurses interviewed, and she claimed that, not only was the the nurse, she also claimed the photo was staged, leading me to believe that perhaps she was involved in one of the non-Eisenstadt fakes... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Or a function of how collectors distort a market. -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, the LTMs aren't as capable as an M3, but they're prettier. And the IIIg is more expensive, which is partly due to its having been produced small numbers but it's also a function of its desirability. -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It doesn't entirely. But the Uver-Leica is and always will be the M3. The LTM cameras are more baroque in design and interfere in your shooting more (stupid shutter dials). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also ignores the thread mount cameras, which is odd given its fascination with beautiful machinery. For sheer mechanical artistry, I don't think anything can compare with a IIIG or even a IIIf. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't know about that..I have an M4...the last of the bench built Leicas. It also is a fantastic machine as well as a great camera. The sound of a Leica going off is delicious just by itself. I think that bringing any Leica to your eye changes your viewpoint because the emphasis is seeing what the lens sees rather than just looking into a slr viewport. Ok. any suggested uses for a Visoflex and lenses (other than as paperweights? That is a great example of force fitting.a bad idea with good engineering. I am somewhat warped anyway. I also own a Contax IIA the real camera (heh) I am afraid of having the shutter go west so I shoot with a Kiev that I picked up, and it has the bonus of taking the pre-war lenses because they never modified the shutterbox Probably was not in the tooling that went east. John G Adam Maas wrote: It doesn't entirely. But the Uver-Leica is and always will be the M3. The LTM cameras are more baroque in design and interfere in your shooting more (stupid shutter dials). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also ignores the thread mount cameras, which is odd given its fascination with beautiful machinery. For sheer mechanical artistry, I don't think anything can compare with a IIIG or even a IIIf. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. Nope. That was a genuine grab shot. They just recently succeeded in tracking down both the sailor and the nurse in that photo, by the way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Avast there who be castin' aspersions there. Course it be a leica, it be scribed right on her. Cotty wrote: Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I played with one in my friend's studio. It's definitely a Leica. (And the price is a dead giveaway:-). However, I don't think it will hold its value in the way most Leica's do. Like all digital cameras, it will be a victim of immature technology. Paul The guys on the LUG list really love them. Surprisingly, there are quite a few posts about random odd failures. This tends to generate flame wars with one side claiming a body that expensive ought to be damn near perfect, and the other claiming it's worth the hassle due the unmatched superiority of the images they get. I don't see much over there that's better than the typical PESO around here - technically or artistically. I'm guessing on this one, but there are probably more K10D owners subscribed to the PDML than there are M8 owners subscribed to the LUG. They have quite a few more broken camera posts than we do. Makes me kinda proud. I have to agree with you about the price. Once the next model comes out, undoubtedly with many fixes that should have been implemented with the M8, prices will drop significantly. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I played with one in my friend's studio. It's definitely a Leica. (And the price is a dead giveaway:-). However, I don't think it will hold its value in the way most Leica's do. Like all digital cameras, it will be a victim of immature technology. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? The M8 be as much a Leica as me arse be as cute as Cindy Crawford`s. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 05:15:34AM +0100, Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ An interesting read, even though I don't feel tempted by a Leica. I was also intigued to note that it's currently the most read (or viewed?) article in the online edition of the New Yorker magazine. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's not a Panasonic, which the unLeica's all are. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Avast there who be castin' aspersions there. Course it be a leica, it be scribed right on her. Cotty wrote: Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Scott Loveless wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I played with one in my friend's studio. It's definitely a Leica. (And the price is a dead giveaway:-). However, I don't think it will hold its value in the way most Leica's do. Like all digital cameras, it will be a victim of immature technology. Paul The guys on the LUG list really love them. Surprisingly, there are quite a few posts about random odd failures. This tends to generate flame wars with one side claiming a body that expensive ought to be damn near perfect, and the other claiming it's worth the hassle due the unmatched superiority of the images they get. I don't see much over there that's better than the typical PESO around here - technically or artistically. I'm guessing on this one, but there are probably more K10D owners subscribed to the PDML than there are M8 owners subscribed to the LUG. They have quite a few more broken camera posts than we do. Makes me kinda proud. I have to agree with you about the price. Once the next model comes out, undoubtedly with many fixes that should have been implemented with the M8, prices will drop significantly. Well, the sensor ain't anything to write home about, but it does seem to be a nice handling camera, and more reliable than the Epson RD-1 (Which is a flaky bitch of a camera, and the only competition the M8 had) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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An interesting read. Bit of a love-in for the Leica (Especially the comment about the Leica + 50mm being the camera that took more famous pictures than anything else, IIRC someone ran the numbers on the Pulitzer and the Nikon F came out on top by a fair margin, just because of the 60's and Vietnam) I suspect the intersection of Leica owners and New Yorker readers is quite large, hence the love-in. Not all famous pictures are Pulitzer winners, and vice-versa. If you look at pictures of Vietnam photographers you'll notice that a lot - perhaps most - of them have Nikons AND Leicas round their necks. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's fault:-). I have to say, Paul, while I hope to be shooting TriX in my Leica for a long long time, I'm amazed at how quickly I've been converted by the siren-call of digital. Me too. I have a safe full of Leicae and Contaces (oh, alright, Leicas and Contaxes), and a fridge full of Tri-X, and haven't touched them for over a year. Must make amends. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you look at pictures of Vietnam photographers you'll notice that a lot - perhaps most - of them have Nikons AND Leicas round their necks. That was certainly true of Nick Ut. The famous and tragic photo of Kim Phuc was taken with a Leica, but he also shot plenty with Nikons... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The Cult of Leica
Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 10 megpxl? I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The Cult of Leica
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What a pleasant reading. But Bob, I know you have one. I don't... Worse yet, I want one now ;-). Cheers! Boris Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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A strangely compelling article. I never warmed to the Leica but this almost makes me want to get the shutter unjammed in my IIIc Bob W wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/ Bob -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
