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Hi Bob, Yes there are 2 versions. The later version is supposedly the same optically as the A 28 and the F 28. Better but still mediocre. The good one is the FA 28 AL, newer still. Don -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:59 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! Don, Aren't there 2 versions of this lens. The typical M28/2.8 is cheep and cheerful, but my worst quality Pentax prime lens. The atypical M28/2.8 is a revision with a black rim on a 45 degree slant like the A28/2.8. It was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. Perhaps this accounts for the price differences. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:41:09 -0600, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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It was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. But the A 28/2.8 is not exactly spectacular, either, is it? Fred
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- Original Message - From: Fred Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! It was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. But the A 28/2.8 is not exactly spectacular, either, is it? Not spectacular compared to the best of what is out there, but... I have used both M and A versions of the 28/2.8, and they turn out perfectly acceptable pictures. William Robb
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Not spectacular compared to the best of what is out there, but... I have used both M and A versions of the 28/2.8, and they turn out perfectly acceptable pictures. I quite like the FA 28mm f/2.8 despite a little vignetting. John
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[the second M 28/2.8] was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. But the A 28/2.8 is not exactly spectacular, either, is it? Not spectacular compared to the best of what is out there, but... I have used both M and A versions of the 28/2.8, and they turn out perfectly acceptable pictures. I understand. However, in the context of this thread (where an M 28/2.8 was won on eBay for an astronomical price), perfectly acceptable pictures can be had with a lot of pretty pedestrian 28mm lenses under a lot of conditions. I was just suggesting that any not exactly spectacular lens would not be worth spending the proverbial arm-and-a-leg for, that's all. (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that it could not be proud of.) A few years ago I had been in the process of assembling a small manual focus kit of used but minty Pentax gear (centered on a nice Super Program) for a niece of mine. I was trying to use only A lenses (so that she - a photo neophyte - could start out shooting in Program mode). I picked up an A 28/2.8 at a pretty good price, and I (naturally) had to play around with it (for quality control testing purposes, mind you - g) before passing the kit on to my niece. My impression of the lens was that it was certainly decent enough (for perfectly acceptable pictures), and I am sure was entirely adequate for the w/a lens in that kit. I quite like the FA 28mm f/2.8 despite a little vignetting. Sure. My A 28/2 vignettes a bit at full aperture, too. (I am not sure how much of this is due to what I would call true vignetting, where the corners are darkened due to the lens construction, or light falloff, which is due entirely to just the optical design, but that's another question.) Fred
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(Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that it could not be proud of.) I should translate that for our ~British~ anglophones - (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that they could not be proud of.) ;-) Fred
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But would you pay $400 US for one? That was the question. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Fred Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! It was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. But the A 28/2.8 is not exactly spectacular, either, is it? Not spectacular compared to the best of what is out there, but... I have used both M and A versions of the 28/2.8, and they turn out perfectly acceptable pictures. William Robb -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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John the M, A and F share an optical formula. The FA is a different formula, Aspherical lens. I've found it better than the rest also. Don -Original Message- From: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:54 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! snip I quite like the FA 28mm f/2.8 despite a little vignetting. John
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What was the quote about one born every minute? Note the winning bidder's nom de plume: Bidding has ended for this item. (joehkg is the winner). Best regards, I have a spare K50 1.4, (near mint) for sale: only bids over $1000 USD considered!
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The FA is a different formula, Aspherical lens. I've found it better than the rest also. I'd have to agree, until the FA I relied on a Sigma 28mm f/2.8 until I found a K 28mm f/3.5. But it's nice to have a modern 28mm optic, not knocking the K I love the build of the early lenses. John -- Original Message --- From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:13 -0600 Subject: RE: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! John the M, A and F share an optical formula. The FA is a different formula, Aspherical lens. I've found it better than the rest also. Don -Original Message- From: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:54 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! snip I quite like the FA 28mm f/2.8 despite a little vignetting. John --- End of Original Message ---
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Fred wrote: (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that it could not be proud of.) I should translate that for our ~British~ anglophones - (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that they could not be proud of.) ;-) Gr. 8-)
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I should translate that for my former English teacher ... Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses of which (it, they) could not be proud. Shel [Original Message] From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 3/7/2005 11:28:33 AM Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! Fred wrote: (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that it could not be proud of.) I should translate that for our ~British~ anglophones - (Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses that they could not be proud of.) ;-) Gr. 8-)
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I should translate that for my former English teacher ... Keep in mind that my own personal opinion is that Pentax made very, very few K, M, and A lenses of which (it, they) could not be proud. Har! You're bloody right, Shel, too - g. Fred
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- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! But would you pay $400 US for one? That was the question. Hell no. I figure I paid top dollar for mt M 28 at 25 bucks, and my A at 65 bucks. Thats in Canadian, before our currency started it's climb out of the gutter. William Robb
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! I think I'm a millionaire William Robb
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:02:31 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! http://www.keh.com/shop/SHOWPRODUCT.CFM?CRID=10208677SKID=PK06009013540N3SID=newusedBID=PKCID=06SOID=Ncurpic=0dpsp=0 I hope this winner isn't reading this! -- Scott Loveless Born free. Taxed to death.
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It was a mistake. The second to the last bid was $38. The last bid was $391. On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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My mistake. The auction was at $38. Then someone bid $391, apparently by accident. That was followed by a $396 bid. That last bid was probably from a bidder who set his final bid ridiculously high, just to make sure he won in a snipe out. However, he wasn't counting on someone bidding very high by mistake. Live and learn. He's an auction newbie. Paul On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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I bid $1000.00 once for a 330FTZ flash. Meant to bid $100.00, fortunately it only went to $77.00, whew! Don -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:40 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! My mistake. The auction was at $38. Then someone bid $391, apparently by accident. That was followed by a $396 bid. That last bid was probably from a bidder who set his final bid ridiculously high, just to make sure he won in a snipe out. However, he wasn't counting on someone bidding very high by mistake. Live and learn. He's an auction newbie. Paul On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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It must be the new *istDS owners. That lens only cost about $125 new, and hasn't a great reputation (the 3.5 was better). I guess these insane new prices mean I will never own that M20/4.0 I have always wanted. You guys who stocked up on older Pentax lenses when they were cheap are going to be rich, Don. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
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and that too for the M28/2.8 (not one of the 28/2s)! I don't think many people like this lens much, going by the discussion on Stan's site. Aww.. wish I had put that up for sale... Badri http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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To which I can only add HOLY C***! Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Of course the eBay phenomenon is strange, I guess it is the, I want that, factor multiplied by insanity. For instance I noticed a used Jiffy J-2 Hat Steamer bid up near $200 when I last looked. Now with the interest in vintage hats that might seem reasonable. Only a quick google search reveals that they are still being made and have a suggested list price of $149.95. Further that same search brings up about 50 places that are selling them new mostly for $130-135 with a couple of places selling it for under $100. So who in their right mind would pay $200 plus inflated shipping used for something they can readily get new for $100. It seems that if you list something on ebay you either give it away, or get paid 4-5x what it is worth, and hardly ever does something just go for an honest price. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
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- Original Message - From: Badri A Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! and that too for the M28/2.8 (not one of the 28/2s)! I don't think many people like this lens much, going by the discussion on Stan's site. Aww.. wish I had put that up for sale... Just a wild guess, I bet the buyer backs out of the sale. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: Graywolf Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! Of course the eBay phenomenon is strange, I guess it is the, I want that, factor multiplied by insanity. For instance I noticed a used Jiffy J-2 Hat Steamer bid up near $200 when I last looked. Now with the interest in vintage hats that might seem reasonable. Only a quick google search reveals that they are still being made and have a suggested list price of $149.95. Further that same search brings up about 50 places that are selling them new mostly for $130-135 with a couple of places selling it for under $100. So who in their right mind would pay $200 plus inflated shipping used for something they can readily get new for $100. It seems that if you list something on ebay you either give it away, or get paid 4-5x what it is worth, and hardly ever does something just go for an honest price. Or the seller changes his mind and pulls the auction. A lens that I was bidding yesterday on was pulled because the sellers description wasn't accurate or some such, odd because the description was very good and matched the pictures perfectly. A friend was bidding on a boat yesterday, and the auction was pulled because the thing got sold outside of eBay. William Robb
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Sometimes I forward stuff like that to winners of auctions, if they pay an outrageous price for an item, if I've been bidding on it... It usually gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.. Scott Loveless wrote: On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:02:31 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! http://www.keh.com/shop/SHOWPRODUCT.CFM?CRID=10208677SKID=PK06009013540N3SID=newusedBID=PKCID=06SOID=Ncurpic=0dpsp=0 I hope this winner isn't reading this! -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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No it wasn't a mistake, it was stupid but it wasn't a mistake. The bidding went like this talk2bear bid $391.00 to start which brings the auction to it's minimum of $22.00. lawr100_2005 began bidding to hit talk2bear's limit to either just barely over top him or set him up for a snip at the end of the auction, (notice he was bidding reasonably, he had no idea that talk2bear's limit was so _unreasonable_). techguy129 stuck his nose in and got nowhere. lawr100_2005 makes one more bid and gives up. joehkg decides to snipe at the end with an amount that he thinks will win the bid (I'd guess $400), and defeat any counter snipe. Jesus look at talk2bears limit!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] #%@ #%@ Paul Stenquist wrote: It was a mistake. The second to the last bid was $38. The last bid was $391. On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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He's an auction newbie. [and] Just a wild guess, I bet the buyer backs out of the sale. Both the #1 and #2 bidders (the two bidding in the stratosphere for a rather mundane lens) have 0 feedback ratings. I seriously doubt that this deal is ever gonna go through... Fred
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that should read ...snipe at the end... Peter J. Alling wrote: No it wasn't a mistake, it was stupid but it wasn't a mistake. The bidding went like this talk2bear bid $391.00 to start which brings the auction to it's minimum of $22.00. lawr100_2005 began bidding to hit talk2bear's limit to either just barely over top him or set him up for a snip at the end of the auction, (notice he was bidding reasonably, he had no idea that talk2bear's limit was so _unreasonable_). techguy129 stuck his nose in and got nowhere. lawr100_2005 makes one more bid and gives up. joehkg decides to snipe at the end with an amount that he thinks will win the bid (I'd guess $400), and defeat any counter snipe. Jesus look at talk2bears limit!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] #%@ #%@ Paul Stenquist wrote: It was a mistake. The second to the last bid was $38. The last bid was $391. On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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What's really sad is that there are 2 available now at BIN prices less than $100.00!! Don -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:46 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! that should read ...snipe at the end...
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Yes, but you can't account for e-bay. Don Sanderson wrote: What's really sad is that there are 2 available now at BIN prices less than $100.00!! Don -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:46 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! that should read ...snipe at the end... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Hi, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don Must have been born yesterday. -- Cheers, Bob
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Holy cow - this must be a collectors item. Someone's building a mint Pentax collection! It doubt people who spends this kind of money take pictures! I have the A-version. Very nice lens :-) I guess I paid 150 USD for that. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. marts 2005 15:41 Til: PDML Emne: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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My mistake. The auction was at $38. Then someone bid $391, apparently by accident. That was followed by a $396 bid. That last bid was probably from a bidder who set his final bid ridiculously high, just to make sure he won in a snipe out. However, he wasn't counting on someone bidding very high by mistake. Live and learn. He's an auction newbie. If you look at the feedback scores, they were all auction newbies. Joe
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Ah, sanity prevails: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3878089988 Still not a bad price for a mediocre lens. Perhaps I'd better list a few more. Don
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What a story! It ought to be published in Auctions for Dummies (if there is such a magazine or web site anywhere)! The lesson being: Don't bid more than you are prepared to pay! I guess we have all atleast thought of doing this from time to time!? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. marts 2005 16:40 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues! My mistake. The auction was at $38. Then someone bid $391, apparently by accident. That was followed by a $396 bid. That last bid was probably from a bidder who set his final bid ridiculously high, just to make sure he won in a snipe out. However, he wasn't counting on someone bidding very high by mistake. Live and learn. He's an auction newbie. Paul On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
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Graywolf wrote: It must be the new *istDS owners. That lens only cost about $125 new, and hasn't a great reputation (the 3.5 was better). I guess these insane new prices mean I will never own that M20/4.0 I have always wanted. You guys who stocked up on older Pentax lenses when they were cheap are going to be rich, Don. That depends. In my country photographic eqeuipment (and most other stuff) is quite expensive (taxed). I guess I paid 300 USD for my first M 2.8/35mm in 1981. A Pentax *ist D body has a list price of 2600 USD. The same as the MZ-S. I bought my *ist D in Germany (internet) and paid 1600 USD (body only). A normal car (VW GOLF) costs 1 year worth of an average wages (50,000 USD)! This means, that I can buy stuff cheaply through ebay. But never really sell anything attractively :-(. What the h..., only 4 countries on this planet have a higher GNP/inh. than Denmark does - so I guess we'll survive... .. at least until China completely dominates the world economy :-/ graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Don Sanderson wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Graywolf wrote: will never own that M20/4.0 I have always wanted. You guys who stocked up on older Pentax lenses when they were cheap are going to be rich, Don. Err, only if he decides to sell :-) Kostas
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Hi, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 7:59:57 PM, Jens wrote: What a story! It ought to be published in Auctions for Dummies (if there is such a magazine or web site anywhere)! http://tinyurl.com/5bkdq -- Cheers, Bob
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The for dummies books teach techniques, not common sense. Bob W wrote: Hi, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 7:59:57 PM, Jens wrote: What a story! It ought to be published in Auctions for Dummies (if there is such a magazine or web site anywhere)! http://tinyurl.com/5bkdq -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Don, Aren't there 2 versions of this lens. The typical M28/2.8 is cheep and cheerful, but my worst quality Pentax prime lens. The atypical M28/2.8 is a revision with a black rim on a 45 degree slant like the A28/2.8. It was the late production before the switch to the A28/2.8 and is supposed to be better quality. Perhaps this accounts for the price differences. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:41:09 -0600, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120 Holy Hoppin Horny Toads! Don
