Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
According to Carl Shipman's "How to Select & Use Pentax SLR Cameras" (HP Books, edition with 1980 as the last copyright date), the Pentax K1000 specifications are: Magnification: .87 with 50mm lenses, life-size with 55mm lenses Viewfinder shows 95% of the frame The same book lists .88 with 50mm lenses and 95% of the frame for the K2 DMD, .95 and 92% for the ME/ME Super, .95 and 95% for the MX, and .85 and 92% for the MV-1. Joe At 07:47 PM 2/17/03 -0600, you wrote: > I went straight to my Magic Lantern Guide for the K, M and Spotmatic > series, and find the K1000 is in yet another one of their > books...which I've not bought yet. Hmmm. Keith, I'll save you the trouble: the coverage figure is not in there, either.
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
> I went straight to my Magic Lantern Guide for the K, M and Spotmatic > series, and find the K1000 is in yet another one of their > books...which I've not bought yet. Hmmm. Keith, I'll save you the trouble: the coverage figure is not in there, either. And my buddy at Pentax cannot find a spec sheet with the info on it. He says he thinks he may have one around somewhere, just can't quite put his finger on it. I'm tellin' ya, it's a conspiracy. :-) --Mike
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Mike Johnston wrote: > > > I have Pentax' brochure on the K1000, and it says 0.88x magnification > > with standard 50mm lens, focused at infinity. Are you saying that's incorrect? > > > > Or did you mispeak, and you really meant the KX? > > That's magnification, not coverage. Two different kettles of fish. It DID say "magnification" and I transmogrified the word into angle of view, changed the decimal point, and the lot. Sighhh. > >>> The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. > >> > >> No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. It > >> was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, > > Illogical. > > No, _humor_, Mr. Spock . Oh. Yes. I apparently soomed right by that, too! No, just kidding. I caught the humerous part, but merely typed the very first word that came to mind. I must have watched more than my share of Spock in the movies/TV series and got imprinted... > --Mike keith
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
- Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" Subject: Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 > Sample variation for coverage makes no sense at all to me. I don't think > they could do that if they tried. I can, however, believe that the spec was > changed from run to run, which would account for the lack of a published > claim. (And maybe that amounts to the same thing Bill was trying to say.) I guess not coverage per se, but what part of the negative matched the screen image. William Robb
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
>>> From my experience with K1000's, the reason no one knows the viewfinder >> coverage is because there was so much sample to sample variance that they >> couldn't publish an absolute value. > > Well, now, that's logical enough ~ but since they DID 'publish' it, > I'm supposing you're simply telling me the unknown angle is one of > those things that 'everybody knows.' > > I can go along with that. Let's say it was a design goal, and never > quite met on purpose. They didn't publish it as far as I know. I've never seen a published value for coverage for the K1000. Of course I may simply have missed it. (If you've seen it, Keith, where is it, and what is it?) Does anybody happen to have an original _Modern Photography_ camera test of the K1000? I have the 1979 and 1980 _Moderns' Buyers Guides_ and the K1000 is not in those, just the MX and ME. Sample variation for coverage makes no sense at all to me. I don't think they could do that if they tried. I can, however, believe that the spec was changed from run to run, which would account for the lack of a published claim. (And maybe that amounts to the same thing Bill was trying to say.) --Mike
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
> I have Pentax' brochure on the K1000, and it says 0.88x magnification > with standard 50mm lens, focused at infinity. Are you saying that's incorrect? > > Or did you mispeak, and you really meant the KX? That's magnification, not coverage. Two different kettles of fish. >>> The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. >> >> No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. It >> was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, > > Illogical. No, _humor_, Mr. Spock . --Mike
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Whaley" > Subject: Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 > > > > > > > No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. > > > It was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, > > Illogical. > > >From my experience with K1000's, the reason no one knows the viewfinder > coverage is because there was so much sample to sample variance that they > couldn't publish an absolute value. Well, now, that's logical enough ~ but since they DID 'publish' it, I'm supposing you're simply telling me the unknown angle is one of those things that 'everybody knows.' I can go along with that. Let's say it was a design goal, and never quite met on purpose. Thanks, keith
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
- Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" Subject: Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 > > > > No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. It > > was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, > > Illogical. >From my experience with K1000's, the reason no one knows the viewfinder coverage is because there was so much sample to sample variance that they couldn't publish an absolute value. William Robb
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
I have Pentax' brochure on the K1000, and it says 0.88x magnification with standard 50mm lens, focused at infinity. Are you saying that's incorrect? Or did you mispeak, and you really meant the KX? Mike Johnston wrote: > > > The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. > > No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. It > was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, Illogical. >...and now no one can located > the files where the information was kept. It's fated to remain an eternal > mystery. > > --Mike keith whaley
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
> The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. No one knows the coverage of the K1000. I suspect not even Pentax knows. It was a closely guarded secret during the cold war, and now no one can located the files where the information was kept. It's fated to remain an eternal mystery. --Mike
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
At 12:54 PM 2/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. So that should be 88% mag. At 10:09 PM 2/15/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and coverage. I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would be great to have too... Thanks in advance, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = <__> <__> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
The manual I have shows 93% coverage and .88% magnification for the KX. At 10:09 PM 2/15/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and coverage. I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would be great to have too... Thanks in advance, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = <__> <__> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Boz. My K1000 manual states this: Viewfinder: Pentaprisim finder with cross-microprisim or split-image focusing screen.0.88x magnification with 50mm standard lens focused at infinity.-1 diopter eyepiece. Hope that helps. This is from the manual i recieved in 1997 with my K1000 purchase Dave Brooks Begin Original Message From: Bojidar Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:09:49 +0100 To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 Hi, Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and coverage. I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would be great to have too... Thanks in advance, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = <__> <__> End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada "Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins"--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Boz. I have the K1000 manual. I'll be right back:) Dave Begin Original Message From: Bojidar Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:09:49 +0100 To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 Hi, Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and coverage. I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would be great to have too... Thanks in advance, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = <__> <__> End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada "Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins"--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Hi, Boz. > Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please > check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification > ratio and coverage. >From the KX manual - "0.88x magnification with 50mm lenses (life-size with 55mm lens). Dioptry -0.8. 93% field of view." The depth is stated for having a 50/1.4 lens attached (why???) - "94mm (3.7")". [And the KX sales booklet says the exact same things for the viewfinder and for the depth.] >From the KM manual - "0.87x magnification with 50mm lenses (life-size with 55mm lens). Dioptry -1.0." [And the KM sales booklet says the exact same thing.] >From the K1000 manual - "0.88x magnification with 50mm standard lens focused at infinity. -1 diopter eyepiece." > I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. The KX manual and the KX sales booklet both give the same (with 50/1.4 lens attached) measurement - sorry. > And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor > bodies would be great to have too... Good luck, Boz... ;-) Fred
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Hi Boz, I don't have these manuals, but you can download them here: http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6 The quality of scans is awful, but they're readable. Regards, Lukasz === www.fotopolis.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] === internetowy magazyn o fotografii - Original Message - From: "Bojidar Dimitrov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000 > Hi, > > Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check > out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and > coverage. > > I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let > me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would > be great to have too... > > Thanks in advance, > Boz > > -- > _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... >0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein > ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== > Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ > = ><__> <__> > > --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Bojidar Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, > >Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check >out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and >coverage. K10000.88x mag (with 50mm lens, focused at infinity) Doesn't mention coverage. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Viewfinders on KX, KM, and K1000
Hi, Those that have a manual for either of the above cameras, please check out what the manual says about viewfinder magnification ratio and coverage. I also need the depth of the KX body without a lens attached. And let me be optimistic, the weight of the KX-motor and KM-motor bodies would be great to have too... Thanks in advance, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = <__> <__>
