Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: wendy beard

 On 10/18/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.
 
  I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and
  when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look
  different from your Tyra image.
 
 
 It is the same. I know it for a fact.
 I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details.
 
 Wendy
 
 

If you say so ... but what I see is:

Tyra T-shirt

  ^  ^  -  ^
/ \/ \/ \/ \
  o  o  o  o
   u u



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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-19 Thread wendy beard
On 10/18/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  FYI
  My photo
  http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
 
  His version
  http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
 
  Damn cheek
 
  Wendy

 I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.

 I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and
 when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look
 different from your Tyra image.


It is the same. I know it for a fact.
I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details.

Wendy

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What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here:

http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html

No idea what it means.

Another one here:

http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/

and one I can't find now of the same image above.

My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  Bothers me, 
but not enough to do anything.


Tom C.


From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Editing
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400

Malcolm Smith wrote:

 
 To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking
 pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one 
of
 these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to
 take and use one from the web somewhere!
 
The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought
something from me
and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he
took it... it was then he
told me it wasn't his!

 For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect
 pictures for this use;
 
I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan and the
year .  But I so seldom
sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was
pirated.

  clear enough to see what is for sale but not good
 enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick 
one
 for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since.
 
I use the best photo I have the patience for :)
ann

 
 
 
 



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RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Malcolm Smith
Tom C wrote:

 My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  
 Bothers me, but not enough to do anything.

Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed.

Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with
no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet
is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used.

I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better
than mine. 

Malcolm


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RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
My sense is that they were being used as examples or to illustrate something 
regarding the Pentax brand.

It's far different than the guy that took my aurora photos, posted them on 
his sub-page of a mountaineering site and pretended as if he was the 
photographer, with the ficticious date and place.

That made me mad! :-)

Tom C.


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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:14:26 +0100

Tom C wrote:

  My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.
  Bothers me, but not enough to do anything.

Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed.

Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with
no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet
is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used.

I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better
than mine.

Malcolm


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread ann sanfedele
Tom C wrote:

I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here:

http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html

No idea what it means.

Another one here:

http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/

and one I can't find now of the same image above.

My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  Bothers me, 
but not enough to do anything.


Tom C.


At least the credited you - that's a plus :)

ann



  

From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400

Malcolm Smith wrote:



To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking
pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one 
  

of


these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to
take and use one from the web somewhere!

  

The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought
something from me
and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he
took it... it was then he
told me it wasn't his!



For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect
pictures for this use;

  

I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan and the
year .  But I so seldom
sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was
pirated.



clear enough to see what is for sale but not good
enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick 
  

one


for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since.

  

I use the best photo I have the patience for :)
ann





  


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread wendy beard
Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
Came across one store where the shopkeeper had nicked one of my
photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
his signature on it!

FYI
My photo
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137

His version
http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288

Damn cheek

Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
Filing a complaint already I hope.  Even though converted, the reflections 
in the eyes would seem to give it away.

I never imagined Bill would do something like that.  You just never can tell 
who your friends are.

Tom C.


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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:56 -0400

Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
Came across one store where the shopkeeper had nicked one of my
photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
his signature on it!

FYI
My photo
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137

His version
http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288

Damn cheek

Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
Those are, IMO, most definitely the same image, The highlights 
pattern in the fur are frighteningly similar. You could buy one to
make certain.

If your sure that it is your sho,t I'd send the seller a polite email
asking them to remove it, as it's in violation of the cafepress
Content Usage Policy guidelines:

Is it ok to use an image I found on the Internet?

Simply because an image is found on the Internet does not mean that it
is in the public domain or available for commercial use on
merchandise. You should assume that you cannot use the work unless the
author of the work has explicitly granted you a license to use the
work or it is in the public domain. Further, a person who posts an
image on the Internet and claims that you are free to use it may not
have had the right to post the image in the first place. Thus, your
use of the image may violate the rights of the actual copyright
owner.

.and

I based my artwork on the artwork of a third party, is that ok?

It depends. Artwork derived from the previous work of another may
violate the rights of the owner of the previous work. If you are
creating a design that is based on the work of someone else, you may
need to obtain permission from the original creator prior to creating
your own work. You should consult with an attorney before using works
based on the work of another through the CafePress Service.

If that doesn't work alert Cafepress. And if that doesn't work,
release the hounds, so to speak.

Cheers,

Dave

On 10/19/07, wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
 a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
 Came across one store where the shopkeeper had nicked one of my
 photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
 his signature on it!

 FYI
 My photo
 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137

 His version
 http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288

 Damn cheek

 Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread P. J. Alling
It's hard to tell but it certainly looks like its the same. I'm not sure 
what your recourse is besides sending a cease and desist letter.

wendy beard wrote:
 Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
 a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
 Came across one store where the shopkeeper had nicked one of my
 photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
 his signature on it!

 FYI
 My photo
 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137

 His version
 http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288

 Damn cheek

 Wendy

   


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Tom C
Subject: Re: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question 
About Editing




 I never imagined Bill would do something like that.  You just never can 
 tell
 who your friends are.

Har. Wrong breed.
Belgians are chew toys for real dogs
g

William Robb


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: wendy beard

 Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
 a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
 Came across one store where the shopkeeper had nicked one of my
 photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
 his signature on it!
 
 FYI
 My photo
 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
 
 His version
 http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
 
 Damn cheek
 
 Wendy

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.

I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and 
when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look 
different from your Tyra image.

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