Re: Whew!

[Brian Walters]

Keep looking  :-)>


Cheers
Brian


> On 25 February 2018 at 05:46 Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, my Mac Mini photo computer is still ailing (taking it to the
> shop Monday), but I managed to find my pix for The Book on my backup
> drive. I used my venerable MacBook Pro work computer to do the
> conversions and submissions.
> 
> Somewhere there's a pic I had in mind for the PUG... but how to find it...
> 
> Rick
> 
>

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Whew!

[Rick Womer]

Well, my Mac Mini photo computer is still ailing (taking it to the
shop Monday), but I managed to find my pix for The Book on my backup
drive. I used my venerable MacBook Pro work computer to do the
conversions and submissions.

Somewhere there's a pic I had in mind for the PUG... but how to find it...

Rick

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Re: OT - WHEW! (caution, political content)

[Ann Sanfedele]

Ditto
ann

On 11/6/2012 23:35, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

political commentary to follow

Well, that's a relief.

political commentary concluded

Cheers,
frank

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Re: OT - WHEW! (caution, political content)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes indeed.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Ditto
 ann


 On 11/6/2012 23:35, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 political commentary to follow

 Well, that's a relief.

 political commentary concluded

 Cheers,
 frank

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Re: OT - WHEW! (caution, political content)

[kwaller]

Well, that's a relief.


Not like the relief here in Michigan - I was getting in excess of 15 robo 
calls a day !


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Cheers,
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Re: Whew.

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: gfen
Subject: Re: Whew.


 On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, William Robb wrote:
  I don't see large format being supplanted by little digital
cameras,
  they are just too different in their capabilities.

 Except the people who make the desicions on what to buy aren't
concerned
 with the HOW or WHY of something, only the results. And for them
digital
 may very well be good enough.

I like to think that by the time you decide your work needs large
format, you are educated past that point.



  I predict that the present generation of photographers will be
the
  last to use film, and that it will become essentially dead within
5
  years.

 Now, do you feel this is for ALL aspects, for just for general use?
Again,
 I like to hope that film will retain a certain appeal, and thus be
 produced, for the artists of the world while the general populace
moves to
 digital for everything.

The essentially dead part is the black and white niche market hanging
on. Hopefully, it will stay large enough to keep a company afloat to
make the stuff.


  Digital is still hobbled by 8 bit printing, which can wreak havoc
on
  the look of the picture. According to
  one of the Noristsu people I have talked to, 16 bit is going to
  require a large increase in data tranfer rates to be viable. He
was
  talking about bus speeds in the gigahertz range.

 So, does that mean that film, in roll and 35mm, will continue to
hold onto
 some the higher levels for now until digital printing can further
close
 its gap?

Not if you can no longer get optical printing done. RA-4 is not a
process that lends itself to home processing, and commercial
processing is going 100% digital.

I bet there are some good deals on large commercial processing
machines out there right now though.


  Before anybody hawks a loogie at this, I see it every day in my
lab.
  The pictures coming off the optical printer look better than
those
  coming from film off the digital printer.

 Now, from a professional opinion, does this still hold true when
comparing
 prints from a Frontier at a drug store versus an older optical
printer
 from a drug store? I do need a place to send the occasional roll of
colour
 35mm film, and quite frankly, am happy paying bargain drug store
prices
 for the initial 4x6s, then using the decent, expensive, lab to
print any
 enlargments?

I have the luxury of having a quite good optical machine, and a state
of the art digital printer side by side. Both print on the same
paper, and use the same chemistry. The chemical controls are even
fairly close.
The optical prints just look like they have more depth than the
digital product. Same neg, printed on both mahines, almost always,
the optical print looks better.

Digital printing does have an advantage with either very long, or
very short range negatives.


  Where digital is really weak (well, actually, totally useless,
IMHO)
  is for black and white. There are not many good black and white
  options out there for getting from digital to print, and none of
them
  match the qualities of a well made silver print.

 A certain part of me is very smug about this, and glad. For
predominatly
 greedy interests, I hope it continues to be. My only concern going
into
 the future and next half of my life is that BW film will continue
to be
 produced, I've long ago given up colour pictures for nearly
anything but
 fun, and I'm happy to let digital rule that domain.

  Whether this bodes well for black and white film is anyones
guess. I
  hope it is.

 ...fingers crossed.


Yup.

William Robb

Re: Whew.

[graywolf]

I kind of doubt that they only sold 700. Manufactured, maybe, since Medium 
Format is still produced using the old system of make a bunch and sell them from 
the warehouse. When the stock gets low run off a bunch more (maybe 700?). So if 
I was told that one company made one production run last year (the worse economy 
since 1981), I would believe that. However since you can no longer buy 120 film 
except in the big cities, or via mail order, the death knoll is tolling in the 
background. I can actually get 4x5 over at the university book store, but there 
is no where to get 120 in Boone since they closed the Ritz Camera last year.

But then hardly anyone except pros and serious amateurs have used roll film in 
20 years or so. And the pro studios bought it wholesale, not from a local store. 
So, not exactly a popular item, even before digital.

--

gfen wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, frank theriault wrote:

Pentax can't keep up with the demand for 67II's and 645N's  Last year alone, 
all Japanese manufacurers combined sold around 700 medium format bodies, 
worldwide.  No, I didn't forget a zero.  I really did mean seven hundred.


If they can't keep up with the demand, it sound slike they have one lone 
guy screwing together hand-made 67's. :)

Only 700? Wow. That's actually really depressing, makes me wonder if I 
should try and unload my 645 stuff now or pray for some sort of re-kindled 
interest as the fine art crew decides that the new chacet is silver 
print and I can start calling myslef an artiste!


Hard to believe that Medium Format (at least new stuff) will be around for 
much longer - except maybe Hassy, just 'cause they are who they are.


I still don't fear film disappearing, there's too much of a worldwide 
market for that sort of thing, I'll just be forced to buy Arista and Maco 
and other odd brands from the Ukraine or Samoa or somewhere..

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Re: Whew.

[graywolf]

Well, your comments certainly apply to consumer photography where they (mostly) 
can not tell an 8x10 contact print from a 1.2meg digital print.

But then us older guys remember when Kodak made 4 different 35mm film emulsions 
and 20 different sheet film emulsions. So 4x5 and larger has been in that dismal 
state of affairs for a long time. However, as an already established niche 
market, I think sheet film will probably in the near future fair better than 
roll film. I gave my TLR away last year.

It is hard in many areas to find some place that will process 4x5 BW at a 
reasonable price almost limiting it to folks who can set up a darkroom 
somewhere. This I do know from personal experience.

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William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: gfen
Subject: Re: Whew.




Is 4x5 and larger also in such a dismal state of affairs? I know
this

ins't really the place for the question, but plenty of the folks
here are

knowledable on many different topics.. I sort of figured that 4x5
and135

would be the film formats to live on, and 120 and 8x10 wound stay
on in

film for awhile.. but these numbers are making me concerned.



I don't see large format being supplanted by little digital cameras,
they are just too different in their capabilities.
What will kill off large format will be companies getting out of film
completely one it stops making sense to make 35mm and medium format
film.
Medium format is doomed, simply because digital looks as good, for
the most part, and it can easily replace just about everything that
medium format film does, either print or tranny.  I think 35mm film's
destiny is not a happy one either.
I predict that the present generation of photographers will be the
last to use film, and that it will become essentially dead within 5
years.
The photo lab industry is devoting all of it's resources to digital
printing technology at the moment. Noritsu no longer makes optical
printers at all, and while I don't know about Fuji or Konica, I doubt
if they are doing anything all that different.
Film doesn't print as well digitally as it does optically with the
present technology level.
Digital is still hobbled by 8 bit printing, which can wreak havoc on
the look of the picture. According to
one of the Noristsu people I have talked to, 16 bit is going to
require a large increase in data tranfer rates to be viable. He was
talking about bus speeds in the gigahertz range.
This makes film look awful when scanned and printed digitally,
compared to good quality optical prints.
Before anybody hawks a loogie at this, I see it every day in my lab.
The pictures coming off the optical printer look better than those
coming from film off the digital printer.
I see it, my co workers see it, and most importantly, my customers
see it. With optical printers being taken out of use, film is losing
the only advantage it has over digital.
Where digital is really weak (well, actually, totally useless, IMHO)
is for black and white. There are not many good black and white
options out there for getting from digital to print, and none of them
match the qualities of a well made silver print.
Whether this bodes well for black and white film is anyones guess. I
hope it is.
William Robb



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RE: Whew.

[gfen]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, frank theriault wrote:
 Pentax can't keep up with the demand for 67II's and 645N's  Last year alone, 
 all Japanese manufacurers combined sold around 700 medium format bodies, 
 worldwide.  No, I didn't forget a zero.  I really did mean seven hundred.

If they can't keep up with the demand, it sound slike they have one lone 
guy screwing together hand-made 67's. :)

Only 700? Wow. That's actually really depressing, makes me wonder if I 
should try and unload my 645 stuff now or pray for some sort of re-kindled 
interest as the fine art crew decides that the new chacet is silver 
print and I can start calling myslef an artiste!

 Hard to believe that Medium Format (at least new stuff) will be around for 
 much longer - except maybe Hassy, just 'cause they are who they are.

I still don't fear film disappearing, there's too much of a worldwide 
market for that sort of thing, I'll just be forced to buy Arista and Maco 
and other odd brands from the Ukraine or Samoa or somewhere..

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Re: Whew.

[gfen]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Jostein wrote:
 According to production figures for MedF, the future looks very dark indeed.

If the 700 bodies figure thrown out earlier by Frank is correct, sound 
slike al lthe MF folks might as well close up shop and go home. That's 
just dismal, I mean, I always figured that the numbers weren't as big as 
I'd think, but I always figured something like 700 annual units would be 
reserved for serious niche items like those 6x17 folders and the like.

Guess the Japanese love affair with 645 also ended. Oh well, guess we all 
knew digital was gonna shake things up.

Is 4x5 and larger also in such a dismal state of affairs? I know this 
ins't really the place for the question, but plenty of the folks here are 
knowledable on many different topics.. I sort of figured that 4x5 and135 
would be the film formats to live on, and 120 and 8x10 wound stay on in 
film for awhile.. but these numbers are making me concerned.

Heh. I'm gonna have to learn how to tintype now, hehe.

 The best bet we have is a rather outdated press release about cooperation
 between Kodak and Pentax, alledgedly over a digital 645.

So, in the year since I left we're at teh same place: No where. That's 
sort of what I expected. Did the Hasselblah 645 wondercamera actaully make 
an mark on sales? Not even the Mamiya 645D, huh?

Sigh.

  How about the film bodies? Is there an *Ist successor yet? Do they still
  manufacture the MZ-S?
 The *ist is current. Dunno about the MZ-S...

After I posted this, I blew teh dust off my bookmark to Boz's KMP page and 
was sad to learn there was never another Ist body released at adifferent 
market than the current Ist. I sort of thought they planned on a three-way 
approach to 35mm bodies, a consumer, a prosumer, and a digital model.

Tsk.

 One made it to me, and I'm happy. It's a good tool.

Marnie made mention they evne released a firmware patch to support M and K 
mount lenses. I'm still not ready to give up film, though. I've been doing 
well with letting my girlfriend take the snaps with her Optio 330, which 
is alos probably considered long in the tooth now. Heh.

 There's an Optio 4s now. More pixels per altoid...:-)

I haven't even seen a Optio S in the flesh, yet. Trying to minimize the 
temptation..

 Picture A Week. Post a pic to a web-location near you, and provide PDML with
 the link for scrutiny and comments. Shel Belinkoff brought the idea along
 from a Leica list, and it has really caught on.

I was happy to see his name on the list again, actually. However, I 
noticed no apparant posts from Bruce Rubenstein or Pal/Pil (who's last 
name I can't recall).

 Another thing you might have missed is that the PUG server at komkon has
 passed out of service. We are now set up with a interim solution at
 Adelheid's private webspace, while working to establish something permanent
 elsewhere. It's looking good, though, thanks to John Francis.

My workplace was supposed to give me a free colo server for the time I
work there. If there's still issues, feel free to contact me off list and
I'll give details as to what's waiting to be installed when I can make it
live, and the like. I'll gladly give an account on teh machine to whomever
wants to handle it, though, if the other possibilites don't come through.

 Btw, welcome back! Hope you get a scanner going soon.

I should really just stop being a twit and spend the $40 on VueScan. :)

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Re: Whew.

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/18/2004 11:16:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 But Jostein told you all the pertinent stuff. Oh, the *istD had a software 

Haven't seen that one yet..

 upgrade that made it workable with K lenses. (Or was it M? Or both?) Not a 
 perfect solution, but it made people happy (happier).

This is the PDML. There is no making this list happy. Its why I came 
back.. 
--
True, true. Okay, SOME were made happier. (But, really, most of the ones that 
were made happier were those who had already bought the *istD, so the upgrade 
allowed them to go, See! See! I DID make a good purchase! (retroactive 
buyer justification for dropping big bucks, i.e., justifying enablement). I think 
the upgrade to make K/M lenses workable only made about two to three more 
people on this list actually run out and buy it.)

Everyone else is still complaining (waiting for full compatibility, or full 
sensor, or a major price drop). But they are complaining more mentally now, 
since a lot on the list now have the *istD and seem to like it very much. 

So complaints are more ABOUT the *istD operates (how it works -- flash, or 
something), rather than about its very existence. (Personally, I found that a 
welcome change when it happened, the other was getting old.)

Interesitn news regarding the Ist-D, though. Its only a partial upgrade? 
How's it work?

http://www.pentaxusa.com/products/cameras/istd_fw111/istd_fw_111.htm

I don't understand it all, since I moved over to the dark side (C) for a 
DSLR. But it means, evidentially, that one now can set the aperture from the 
lens, if one flips some switches and/or something. I guess. Not really handy, 
dandy, I gather, but doable.

HTH! Marnie aka Doe  (And how do you know I am NOT a thireteen year old girl? 
Well, yeah, I'm not, but I often do write like one. I believe in abbreviated 
speech on the Internet to save on typing.  :-))

Re: Whew.

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: gfen
Subject: Re: Whew.




 Is 4x5 and larger also in such a dismal state of affairs? I know
this
 ins't really the place for the question, but plenty of the folks
here are
 knowledable on many different topics.. I sort of figured that 4x5
and135
 would be the film formats to live on, and 120 and 8x10 wound stay
on in
 film for awhile.. but these numbers are making me concerned.


I don't see large format being supplanted by little digital cameras,
they are just too different in their capabilities.
What will kill off large format will be companies getting out of film
completely one it stops making sense to make 35mm and medium format
film.

Medium format is doomed, simply because digital looks as good, for
the most part, and it can easily replace just about everything that
medium format film does, either print or tranny.  I think 35mm film's
destiny is not a happy one either.

I predict that the present generation of photographers will be the
last to use film, and that it will become essentially dead within 5
years.

The photo lab industry is devoting all of it's resources to digital
printing technology at the moment. Noritsu no longer makes optical
printers at all, and while I don't know about Fuji or Konica, I doubt
if they are doing anything all that different.
Film doesn't print as well digitally as it does optically with the
present technology level.

Digital is still hobbled by 8 bit printing, which can wreak havoc on
the look of the picture. According to
one of the Noristsu people I have talked to, 16 bit is going to
require a large increase in data tranfer rates to be viable. He was
talking about bus speeds in the gigahertz range.

This makes film look awful when scanned and printed digitally,
compared to good quality optical prints.
Before anybody hawks a loogie at this, I see it every day in my lab.
The pictures coming off the optical printer look better than those
coming from film off the digital printer.
I see it, my co workers see it, and most importantly, my customers
see it. With optical printers being taken out of use, film is losing
the only advantage it has over digital.

Where digital is really weak (well, actually, totally useless, IMHO)
is for black and white. There are not many good black and white
options out there for getting from digital to print, and none of them
match the qualities of a well made silver print.

Whether this bodes well for black and white film is anyones guess. I
hope it is.

William Robb

Re: Whew.

[Cotty]

On 16/4/04, GFEN discumbobulated:

About a week ago I opened this folder up, today I just deleted 43,341 
messages dating back to 8/8/03.

[snip]

Yo Gary.


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_

Whew.

[gfen]

About a week ago I opened this folder up, today I just deleted 43,341 
messages dating back to 8/8/03.

I think I'm going to go ahead and begin partcipating, again. I realized in 
the 20 minutes of holding down the D key (yes, ys, I could've deleted the 
whole mail folder and saved a significant portion of my time, but that 
would've been like _cheating_ myself of the experience, would you 
believe for a minute I planned on actually looking at the titles of 
everything?!)...

Where was I?

Oh, yes, back. I think. I'd like to be. I'd like to focus on photography 
(har, har) again. I remember when I stopped taking photographs (uh, about 
the 8th of August, 2003...) because I had just moved to a Mac from a 
fifteen years of PC life (that OSX operates just like NeXTSTeP was too 
inticing), which in turn rendered my scanners useless (no drivers), which 
was hampered by the fact that my girlfriend was moving in which took up 
every available weekend to be used in cleaning up and fixing up the house.

Yep. One thing to another, and in the end I haven't picked up a Pentax 
camera since.. Oh, sometime around August 8, 2003. :)

Although, I hadn't left photography behind completely, I've ditched 4x5 in 
favour of 8x10 (work bonus+ebay=enablement in the shape of a BJ 
Commercial View) which, in turn, is going to make me start using my little 
Pentax cameras again.. First, there's nothing like picking up 40# bag 
filled with field camera, lenses, and film holders then having to find a 
place to lug another 8# of tripod to put that whole 645 kit into 
perspective.

And an MX might as well be a subminature camera. Heh.

Not to mention the talking to you get when you mention trying to bring it 
all on an airplane for vacation. :)

So, hoping that with some coming free time I'll have some nice weather and 
maybe I'll actually get back around to taking photos again...

So, looking forward to re-aqquainting with those who are still here, and 
meeting the new folks. Have there been any serious changes that I should 
be aware of in the last year? Where's the Pentax state-of-the-art these 
days?

What's the future of the 645 and 67 platforms, were there ever digital 
products announced for them? 
How about the film bodies? Is there an *Ist successor yet? Do they still 
manufacture the MZ-S?
Has the *Ist D lived up to what people hoped it would? When I left, it was 
just starting to make it to people for use. 
Is the Altoids-sized Optio still the darling of the Pentax crowd?

And what's all this PAW stuff?

gfen, settling back in.

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Re: Whew.

[Jostein]

Hi, gfen.

- Original Message - 
From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 What's the future of the 645 and 67 platforms, were there ever digital
 products announced for them?

According to production figures for MedF, the future looks very dark indeed.
The best bet we have is a rather outdated press release about cooperation
between Kodak and Pentax, alledgedly over a digital 645.

 How about the film bodies? Is there an *Ist successor yet? Do they still
 manufacture the MZ-S?

The *ist is current. Dunno about the MZ-S...

 Has the *Ist D lived up to what people hoped it would? When I left, it was
 just starting to make it to people for use.

One made it to me, and I'm happy. It's a good tool.

 Is the Altoids-sized Optio still the darling of the Pentax crowd?

There's an Optio 4s now. More pixels per altoid...:-)

 And what's all this PAW stuff?


Picture A Week. Post a pic to a web-location near you, and provide PDML with
the link for scrutiny and comments. Shel Belinkoff brought the idea along
from a Leica list, and it has really caught on.

Another thing you might have missed is that the PUG server at komkon has
passed out of service. We are now set up with a interim solution at
Adelheid's private webspace, while working to establish something permanent
elsewhere. It's looking good, though, thanks to John Francis.

The current PUG is at Adelheid's, at: http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr

The submission form is still at my site:
http://www.oksne.net/autopug/pugform.asp



Btw, welcome back! Hope you get a scanner going soon.

Cheers,
Jostein

RE: Whew....

[Cesar Matamoros II]

-- -Original Message-
-- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:27 PM
--
-- Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
-- -- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- -- Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- --
-- -- Not hot here. But I did just get back from a three-mile
-- -- run at lunch. It got so I had to remove my shirt :-)
-- -- It is only 21C/70F. It actually felt warmer.
-- --
-- -- I ran about 9 miles last night - mostly tough hill repeats -
-- -- in 30 degree -- (F) weather, which seemed plenty warm enough
-- -- under the circumstances!
--
--  Show off!
--
-- Hey, when you come up with 70 degrees and sunshine, I'll
-- fight back with
-- whatever I've got! (But today, 2 days later than my 20
-- degree workout, it's
-- forcast to get up to 62 degrees!)
--
--  See you on Grandfather Mountain...
--
-- They have a 5-mile race up the mountian during the summer,
-- don't they...
--
--
-- --
-- Mark Roberts
-- Photography and writing
-- www.robertstech.com
--

That I was not aware of.  But then again, I don't recall the last time I ran
over three miles...

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

Re: Whew....

[Mark Roberts]

Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-- They have a 5-mile race up the mountian during the summer,
-- don't they...

That I was not aware of.  But then again, I don't recall the last time I ran
over three miles...

Yep. July 10. Mark your calendar.
http://www.gmhg.org/wwwcgi/gmhgbuild.cgi?page=eventsevent=bear


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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Whew....

[Ronald Arvidsson]

HI,

I'm new to the list but listened in for awhile. Hot sounds great but
my ideal Xmas is actually what I'm going to do next week, going home
to YES the Arctic Circle and enjoy cold clear nights with Aurora
Borealis, skiing and photography using my pentax stuff and MF camera.

WHere is home then, northern Sweden Scandinavia, lowest temperature
record -52 C, expect to have down to about -30C now, enjoyable is down
to -25 C, and the spit doesn''t freeze before hiting ground in sub
-40C temperature (believe it or not but its true).

Cheers,

Happy Xmas and photographing

Ronald

Re: Re: Whew....

[David Brooks]

That was my biggest problem doing horse shows proffesionally.The 
heat and sun was a killer for me.
At least when i'm there as barn rep,i can sit down under a tree,have 
a beer etcg
Dave
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From: Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:02:54 +1100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whew


Don't know about the -27c stuff Don, but my cameras don't like 
working 
in anything over 35c. Not because of cameras failing in the 
heat...the 
photographer starts to fail once it gets hot, unless I can shoot from 
the bar of the local air-conditioned pub. I live down south now where 
it's not quite as hot as where I grew up (which was central 
NSW)...out 
near 'Hay, Hell and Booligal'...(first and last are real places, not 
sure about the middle one until you have been to either of the other 
two 
at somewhere over 45c in the shade.

Cheers

Shaun

Dr E D F Williams wrote:
 Let us know if your cameras work in very low temperatures. My P30t 
does very
 well down to -27C.
 
 Don
 
 Dr E D F Williams
 
 http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
 Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
 Updated: March 30, 2002
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ronald Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: Whew
 
 
 
HI,

I'm new to the list but listened in for awhile. Hot sounds great but
my ideal Xmas is actually what I'm going to do next week, going home
to YES the Arctic Circle and enjoy cold clear nights with Aurora
Borealis, skiing and photography using my pentax stuff and MF 
camera.

WHere is home then, northern Sweden Scandinavia, lowest temperature
record -52 C, expect to have down to about -30C now, enjoyable is 
down
to -25 C, and the spit doesn''t freeze before hiting ground in sub
-40C temperature (believe it or not but its true).

Cheers,

Happy Xmas and photographing

Ronald


 
 
 
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Re: Whew....

[Peter Alling]

Cross cultural pun.

At 07:48 PM 12/18/2002 +1100, you wrote:

Wrong type of thongs Peter!!!

Cheers

Shaun

Peter Alling wrote:

Well he did mention thongs.
At 01:06 AM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:


Victoria... Secret?
Now, as far as the second part of the question goes, I guess i better shut
up.

Best,
Mishka

 From: Pat White
 Subject: Re: Whew
 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:44:31 -0800

 

 I notice you're in Victoria, Australia.  Here in Victoria, Canada, it's
 10C, windy and rainy.

 Is there a third Victoria, and are there any PDMLers there?

 Pat White


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Re: Whew....

[Mark Roberts]

Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not hot here.  But I did just get back from a three-mile run at lunch.  It
got so I had to remove my shirt :-)  It is only 21C/70F.  It actually felt
warmer.

I ran about 9 miles last night - mostly tough hill repeats - in 30 degree
(F) weather, which seemed plenty warm enough under the circumstances!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: Whew....

[Cesar Matamoros II]

-- -Original Message-
-- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM
-- 
-- Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- 
-- Not hot here.  But I did just get back from a three-mile 
-- run at lunch.  It
-- got so I had to remove my shirt :-)  It is only 21C/70F.  
-- It actually felt
-- warmer.
-- 
-- I ran about 9 miles last night - mostly tough hill repeats - 
-- in 30 degree
-- (F) weather, which seemed plenty warm enough under the circumstances!
-- 
-- -- 
-- Mark Roberts
-- Photography and writing
-- www.robertstech.com
-- 

Show off!

See you on Grandfather Mountain...

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

Re: Whew....

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:45  PM, Pat White wrote:


I notice you're in Victoria, Australia.  Here in Victoria, Canada, 
it's 10C,
windy and rainy.

Is there a third Victoria, and are there any PDMLers there?

Pat White


See 
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/VV/hdv1.html

and http://www.wunderground.com/US/TX/Victoria.html

Dan Scott

Re: Whew....

[Pat White]

Shaun wrote: I'll be down to my frilly knickers by lunchtime.

Er, thanks for sharing...

Pat White

ps. Thanks, Dan, the site turned up 11 Victorias (but not the one in
Australia, oddly enough).

Re: Re: Whew....

[David Brooks]

minus 14 C this morning.Now just need a tad more snow for this 
winters theme shots:)

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:51:17 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whew


just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since 
you've
posted that here?

best,
mishka

 From: Shaun Canning
 Subject: Whew
 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:11:56 -0800

 -
 Whewsummer's finally arrived at my place with a vengeance. 36 
degrees
 yesterday, same today, and supposed to be 4oC tomorrow. Too damned 
hot to
be
 outside taking photo's that's for sure. I just came back from the 
shops,
and
 my thongs (flip flops, sandals or whatever you call em) stuck to 
the tar
on
 the road. I really hate that

 Oh well, it is great weather for icy cold beers by the river

 Cheers

 Shaun





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Re: Whew....

[Shaun Canning]

Wow...that's only a net difference of about 51c today. Things are 
looking up for you guys!

VBG

Cheers

Shaun

David Brooks wrote:
minus 14 C this morning.Now just need a tad more snow for this 
winters theme shots:)

Dave

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From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:51:17 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whew


just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since 
you've
posted that here?

best,
mishka


From: Shaun Canning
Subject: Whew
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:11:56 -0800

-
Whewsummer's finally arrived at my place with a vengeance. 36 

degrees


yesterday, same today, and supposed to be 4oC tomorrow. Too damned 

hot to
be


outside taking photo's that's for sure. I just came back from the 

shops,
and


my thongs (flip flops, sandals or whatever you call em) stuck to 

the tar
on


the road. I really hate that

Oh well, it is great weather for icy cold beers by the river

Cheers

Shaun







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Whew....

[Shaun Canning]

Whewsummer's finally arrived at my place with a vengeance. 36 
degrees yesterday, same today, and supposed to be 4oC tomorrow. Too 
damned hot to be outside taking photo's that's for sure. I just came 
back from the shops, and my thongs (flip flops, sandals or whatever you 
call em) stuck to the tar on the road. I really hate that

Oh well, it is great weather for icy cold beers by the river

Cheers

Shaun

Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services 		
High Street, Broadford,
Victoria, 3658.

www.heritageservices.com.au/

Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096

Re: Whew....

[Mishka]

just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since you've
posted that here?

best,
mishka

 From: Shaun Canning
 Subject: Whew
 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:11:56 -0800

 -
 Whewsummer's finally arrived at my place with a vengeance. 36 degrees
 yesterday, same today, and supposed to be 4oC tomorrow. Too damned hot to
be
 outside taking photo's that's for sure. I just came back from the shops,
and
 my thongs (flip flops, sandals or whatever you call em) stuck to the tar
on
 the road. I really hate that

 Oh well, it is great weather for icy cold beers by the river

 Cheers

 Shaun

Re: Whew....

[Shaun Canning]

None yet, but I was expecting a few from those nearer to the arctic 
circle than me

:):):):)

Cheers

Shaun

Mishka wrote:
just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since you've
posted that here?

best,
mishka



From: Shaun Canning
Subject: Whew
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:11:56 -0800

-
Whewsummer's finally arrived at my place with a vengeance. 36 degrees
yesterday, same today, and supposed to be 4oC tomorrow. Too damned hot to


be


outside taking photo's that's for sure. I just came back from the shops,


and


my thongs (flip flops, sandals or whatever you call em) stuck to the tar


on


the road. I really hate that

Oh well, it is great weather for icy cold beers by the river

Cheers

Shaun





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Victoria, 3658.

www.heritageservices.com.au/

Phone: 0414-967644
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My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096

Re: Whew....

[frank theriault]

Hi, Shaun,

The temperature was just above freezing yesterday, and it started raining in the
evening.  The temperature dipped overnight, coating the ground with a thin layer
of ice.  Then, it snowed - not much, but just enough to coat the ice with snow,
turning the streets and sidewalks into skating rinks by morning.

The high today was -7.  The low tonight will be -15.

I'm sorry to hear about your heatwave.  Really, I am...   vbg

Drink lots of beer and stay cool.  Drinking lots of beer doesn't make things any
warmer for us, but it makes the cold more bearable.

cheers,
frank (nearer the arctic circle than you)

Shaun Canning wrote:

 None yet, but I was expecting a few from those nearer to the arctic
 circle than me

 :):):):)

 Cheers

 Shaun

 Mishka wrote:
  just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since you've
  posted that here?
 
  best,
  mishka
 
 

--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears
it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

Re: Whew....

[Shaun Canning]

-15 degrees *$* that!

Cheers

P.S. I suppose at least your grog is easy to keep cool.
:):):)

Shaun

frank theriault wrote:

Hi, Shaun,

The temperature was just above freezing yesterday, and it started raining in the
evening.  The temperature dipped overnight, coating the ground with a thin layer
of ice.  Then, it snowed - not much, but just enough to coat the ice with snow,
turning the streets and sidewalks into skating rinks by morning.

The high today was -7.  The low tonight will be -15.

I'm sorry to hear about your heatwave.  Really, I am...   vbg

Drink lots of beer and stay cool.  Drinking lots of beer doesn't make things any
warmer for us, but it makes the cold more bearable.

cheers,
frank (nearer the arctic circle than you)

Shaun Canning wrote:



None yet, but I was expecting a few from those nearer to the arctic
circle than me

:):):):)

Cheers

Shaun

Mishka wrote:


just curious, how many death threats have you received so far, since you've
posted that here?

best,
mishka






--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears
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Oppenheimer


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Phone: 0414-967644
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My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096

Re: Whew....

[Pat White]

I notice you're in Victoria, Australia.  Here in Victoria, Canada, it's 10C,
windy and rainy.

Is there a third Victoria, and are there any PDMLers there?

Pat White