Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-04 Thread steve harley

on 2013-01-03 18:15 Larry Colen wrote

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
the ZX-50 for features.


one thing not mentioned by others is that for the ZX lower numbers are better; 
i have a ZX-5n with a battery grip and roll of film in it that i still need to 
shoot, and an ME Super to test



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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Larry, like others said - ME Super is the most attractive for its bright 
and big viewfinder. The ZX-10 and ZX-50 are probably worth letting go, 
and if I am not mistaken ZX-50 has a crippled mount.


I don't have much clue about P* cameras, but Super Program seems like a 
nice one... And K1000 is an icon...


I'd probably keep ME-Super if I planned to shoot film and K1000 for 
props... If you have an old but good flash - you might want to keep 
Super Program.




On 1/4/2013 3:15 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use
to keep my photo and camera gear. A few years back I used to peruse
craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A lot of the interesting
lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple from my mom.  As
such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never even
used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find
better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was
either with a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount
film bodies.

So, what are the relative merits of?: ZX-10  (AF) ZX-50  (AF) Super
Program (AE?) P30t (AE?) P5   (AE?) MEsuper K1000

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for
simplicity, and the ZX-50 for features.


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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd keep the K1000, and either the Super Program or ME-Super. I can't 
see keeping both, and I'd have to decide between the superior viewfinder 
in the ME vs the Automation (program mode), in the Super Program. The 
others are barely worth selling going for not much more than $30 to $50. 
They are pretty much disposable.



On 1/3/2013 8:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to keep my 
photo and camera gear.
A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A 
lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple from 
my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never even 
used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find better homes 
for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with a Spotmatic or 
DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.

So, what are the relative merits of?:
ZX-10  (AF)
ZX-50  (AF)
Super Program (AE?)
P30t (AE?)
P5   (AE?)
MEsuper
K1000

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
the ZX-50 for features.


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Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread luiz felipe

Larry's words:
I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use 
to

keep my photo and camera gear.
A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax 
gear.

A lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a
couple from my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies 
that
I've never even used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, 
but
should find better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax 
experience
was either with a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount 
film

bodies.

So, what are the relative merits of?:
ZX-10  (AF)
ZX-50  (AF)
Super Program (AE?)
P30t (AE?)
P5   (AE?)
MEsuper
K1000

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for 
simplicity,

and the ZX-50 for features.


Larry, the only Mz/ Zx bodies I'd be interested in would be the 3 and 
the 5n, and I'd think twice since the 5 viewfinder is smaller and hard 
to use in dim light. The K1000 may be praised by many, but I'd let it go 
- almost no info on the finder, lightmeter always on and rather big 
size. The Me Super I'd possibly keep as disposable camera *if* paired 
with a cheap but useable lens, otherwise sell it since the Super Program 
would be staying. The P's would go too, just because the Super Program 
would be staying. Any of those 3 could be staying otherwise, Me Super 
last to go.


I'd try to keep the Super Program due to its features, small size and 
interesting viewfinder. Assuming all cameras in the same condition, of 
course. Now if you had a Mx or a Lx... those are Keepers, Capital K, 
IMHO. That said, if you decide otherwise I'd give the Super Program a 
good home (no pressure).


By all means, choose the one you feel like using, or the one you feel 
more attached to, or both if you feel like using one and like the 
other's history.


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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread Bruce Walker
For me, I'd keep just the shiniest, most interesting cameras and sell
or trash the rest. Then only use them as props in model shoots. :-)


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to keep 
> my photo and camera gear.
> A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A 
> lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple 
> from my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never 
> even used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find 
> better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with 
> a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.
>
> So, what are the relative merits of?:
> ZX-10  (AF)
> ZX-50  (AF)
> Super Program (AE?)
> P30t (AE?)
> P5   (AE?)
> MEsuper
> K1000
>
> I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
> the ZX-50 for features.
>
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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Which bodies are worth keeping?


I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to 
keep my photo and camera gear.
A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear. 
A lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a 
couple from my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that 
I've never even used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but 
should find better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience 
was either with a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film 
bodies.


So, what are the relative merits of?:
ZX-10  (AF)
ZX-50  (AF)
Super Program (AE?)
P30t (AE?)
P5   (AE?)
MEsuper
K1000

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, 
and the ZX-50 for features.


For myself, the K1000 and ME Super (for the viewfinder).

William Robb 



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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Regards film cameras I have only mechanical, manual exposure bodies
(if they have meters at all). Of the set you have above, I'd keep the
K1000 or acquire an MX, sell the rest. It's my film photography ideal
... when I'm working with film, I'm taking my time and shooting,
thinking carefully about what I'm doing and making the settings
explicitly. All the automation stuff obfuscates what I'm trying to
achieve: simplicity, a return to how I used to work a camera when I
was in high school but with the 40+ years of practice and experience
since to back me up. When I want automation, I want digital capture.
Then I can see what the automation is doing and correct it if/when
it's gone over the edge.

You likely have other ideas. ;-)

G

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to keep 
> my photo and camera gear.
> A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A 
> lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple 
> from my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never 
> even used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find 
> better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with 
> a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.
>
> So, what are the relative merits of?:
> ZX-10  (AF)
> ZX-50  (AF)
> Super Program (AE?)
> P30t (AE?)
> P5   (AE?)
> MEsuper
> K1000
>
> I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
> the ZX-50 for features.
>
>
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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread Steve Sharpe
I agree with Bob. The Super Program and ME Super are keepers. I 
bought my ME Super used in 1984 and I'm still putting film through 
it. I got my Super Program  from another list member some years back, 
and it is also very good. The P5 (and presumably the P3t as well) are 
prone to failure because the main circuit board is under the shutter 
release. Pressing the button bends the board a little each time and 
eventually causes it to crack. Mine started to go after about a dozen 
years of use.


At 7:29 PM -0600 1/3/13, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Larry,
K1000 is the old workhorse.  Solid, but built in many variations.
Sell it to a student, it's completely mechanical.
ME Super is an old favorite and sold bundles of units.  AE automation
and feels quite good to use.  A keeper.
Super Program is the first Aperture & Shutter priority AE camera.
Also does TTL flash exposure thru the lens.
  It's the first body using A series lenses.  I shot a lot with mine.
More critical users (WR) complain of mirror bounce.
P30t and P5 are AE cameras.  The simplified top plate is their only
recommendation.  I prefer retro.
   P5 is the more capaable of the two.  Check with Boz's site for specifics.
ZX - never owned any of these.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
 I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I 
use to keep my photo and camera gear.
 A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting 
Pentax gear.  A lot of the interesting lenses came with film 
bodies. Plus, I got a couple from my mom.  As such, I've got an 
assortment of film bodies that I've never even used.  I'll want to 
keep one or two, just because, but should find better homes for the 
rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with a 
Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.


 So, what are the relative merits of?:
 ZX-10  (AF)
 ZX-50  (AF)
 Super Program (AE?)
 P30t (AE?)
 P5   (AE?)
 MEsuper
 K1000

 I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for 
simplicity, and the ZX-50 for features.



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Re: Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Larry,
K1000 is the old workhorse.  Solid, but built in many variations.
Sell it to a student, it's completely mechanical.
ME Super is an old favorite and sold bundles of units.  AE automation
and feels quite good to use.  A keeper.
Super Program is the first Aperture & Shutter priority AE camera.
Also does TTL flash exposure thru the lens.
  It's the first body using A series lenses.  I shot a lot with mine.
More critical users (WR) complain of mirror bounce.
P30t and P5 are AE cameras.  The simplified top plate is their only
recommendation.  I prefer retro.
   P5 is the more capaable of the two.  Check with Boz's site for specifics.
ZX - never owned any of these.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to keep 
> my photo and camera gear.
> A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A 
> lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple 
> from my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never 
> even used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find 
> better homes for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with 
> a Spotmatic or DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.
>
> So, what are the relative merits of?:
> ZX-10  (AF)
> ZX-50  (AF)
> Super Program (AE?)
> P30t (AE?)
> P5   (AE?)
> MEsuper
> K1000
>
> I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
> the ZX-50 for features.
>
>
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Which bodies are worth keeping?

2013-01-03 Thread Larry Colen
I'm attempting to do a much needed cleanup of the closet that I use to keep my 
photo and camera gear.
A few years back I used to peruse craigslist for interesting Pentax gear.  A 
lot of the interesting lenses came with film bodies. Plus, I got a couple from 
my mom.  As such, I've got an assortment of film bodies that I've never even 
used.  I'll want to keep one or two, just because, but should find better homes 
for the rest.  Since all of my Pentax experience was either with a Spotmatic or 
DSLRs, I don't know much about K-mount film bodies.

So, what are the relative merits of?:
ZX-10  (AF)
ZX-50  (AF)
Super Program (AE?)
P30t (AE?)
P5   (AE?)
MEsuper
K1000

I'd guess that the two worth keeping would be the K1000, for simplicity, and 
the ZX-50 for features.


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