Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Well, it's a nice picture; you seem to have conquered the tonal-range issues with the tools available. I suspect it might benefit from punching up the greens, either with the vibrance control or maybe just a nudge on the green slider. -T Excellent advice! I played around with some things, and it helped a lot! I just updated the file, but if you have it in a tab, and click on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ This version looks very good Dave you may be able to compare them side by side. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Well, it's a nice picture; you seem to have conquered the tonal-range issues with the tools available. I suspect it might benefit from punching up the greens, either with the vibrance control or maybe just a nudge on the green slider. -T Excellent advice! I played around with some things, and it helped a lot! I just updated the file, but if you have it in a tab, and click on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ This version looks very good Thanks. Dave you may be able to compare them side by side. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
Eventually, Larry will grow up and will start asking K-12 questions. ;-) Igor PS. I am at K-7 level. :-) PPS. Larry, to answer seriously, besides the color boost that you've already done, you can play with suppressing the highlights and bringing up the shadows, decreasing the contrast, and playing with the curve. Or, if you have a PS, - to separate the photo into (two?) layers, and change their brightness separately. I was asking similar questions on PDML back in Dec of 2007 or Jan of 2008. Here is an example of the shots I was dealing with: http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9842.jpg http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9860.jpg Here is a modified shot (from a different similar shot): http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9855.jpg ... and then even over-modified one: http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9855-jan08.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
I have my doubts. -Original Message- From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:12:30 To: PDML@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: lightroom and K-5 questions Eventually, Larry will grow up and will start asking K-12 questions. ;-) Igor PS. I am at K-7 level. :-) PPS. Larry, to answer seriously, besides the color boost that you've already done, you can play with suppressing the highlights and bringing up the shadows, decreasing the contrast, and playing with the curve. Or, if you have a PS, - to separate the photo into (two?) layers, and change their brightness separately. I was asking similar questions on PDML back in Dec of 2007 or Jan of 2008. Here is an example of the shots I was dealing with: http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9842.jpg http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9860.jpg Here is a modified shot (from a different similar shot): http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9855.jpg ... and then even over-modified one: http://science.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Argentina/IMGPa9855-jan08.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
lightroom and K-5 questions
The dynamic range of the K-5 is amazing, but making use of it is not trivial. Both yesterday and today, I got some photos of the river gorge, with some cloud action going on in the background. When I shot them, I bracketed, but rather than using photoshops HDR feature I fussed, fumbled and frobbed the controls in lightroom to try to keep detail in both the sky and the valley. I'm almost satisfied with the way that this one came out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ The challenge seems to come from there basically being a bi-modal distribution, where I've got a lot of pixels all of the way to the right of the histogram, and another bunch all of the way to the left. I almost need a tone curve that is very steep on the right 10% of the values, and then more or less linear to that point, or possibly also fairly steep on the left, flattish in the middle and steep on the right. I'm sure that the way to do this involves both exposing to get the shot, and then some specific tricks in lightroom to pull out the data. Any suggestions folks? Or am I much better off just using photoshops HDR tools, and getting a wide bracket? I did try putting the camera in bracket (about two stops), setting the meter on the sky in Manual, composing, taking my bracketed shots, then hitting the green button to bracket on the foreground, so I've got two sets of bracketed shots, one for the sky and one for the foreground. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
If you are going to do HDR, Photoshop's implementation is decent. If you use Photomatix, it does the same thing, but renders differently. If you've ever seen an HDR with the crazy surface patterns, it's a good bet that it was done in Photomatix. It's a dark art to do it well. Whole books have been written on how to make HDRs. You'll really need to have a vision of what you are looking for, or all you'll be doing is moving sliders in software. On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The dynamic range of the K-5 is amazing, but making use of it is not trivial. Both yesterday and today, I got some photos of the river gorge, with some cloud action going on in the background. When I shot them, I bracketed, but rather than using photoshops HDR feature I fussed, fumbled and frobbed the controls in lightroom to try to keep detail in both the sky and the valley. I'm almost satisfied with the way that this one came out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ The challenge seems to come from there basically being a bi-modal distribution, where I've got a lot of pixels all of the way to the right of the histogram, and another bunch all of the way to the left. I almost need a tone curve that is very steep on the right 10% of the values, and then more or less linear to that point, or possibly also fairly steep on the left, flattish in the middle and steep on the right. I'm sure that the way to do this involves both exposing to get the shot, and then some specific tricks in lightroom to pull out the data. Any suggestions folks? Or am I much better off just using photoshops HDR tools, and getting a wide bracket? I did try putting the camera in bracket (about two stops), setting the meter on the sky in Manual, composing, taking my bracketed shots, then hitting the green button to bracket on the foreground, so I've got two sets of bracketed shots, one for the sky and one for the foreground. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:19 PM, David Parsons wrote: If you are going to do HDR, Photoshop's implementation is decent. If you use Photomatix, it does the same thing, but renders differently. If you've ever seen an HDR with the crazy surface patterns, it's a good bet that it was done in Photomatix. I'm not looking for the wild tone mapping, I'm looking for clean and natural looking images of pictures with wide dynamic range. It's a dark art to do it well. Whole books have been written on how to make HDRs. You'll really need to have a vision of what you are looking for, or all you'll be doing is moving sliders in software. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
Well, it's a nice picture; you seem to have conquered the tonal-range issues with the tools available. I suspect it might benefit from punching up the greens, either with the vibrance control or maybe just a nudge on the green slider. -T On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The dynamic range of the K-5 is amazing, but making use of it is not trivial. Both yesterday and today, I got some photos of the river gorge, with some cloud action going on in the background. When I shot them, I bracketed, but rather than using photoshops HDR feature I fussed, fumbled and frobbed the controls in lightroom to try to keep detail in both the sky and the valley. I'm almost satisfied with the way that this one came out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ The challenge seems to come from there basically being a bi-modal distribution, where I've got a lot of pixels all of the way to the right of the histogram, and another bunch all of the way to the left. I almost need a tone curve that is very steep on the right 10% of the values, and then more or less linear to that point, or possibly also fairly steep on the left, flattish in the middle and steep on the right. I'm sure that the way to do this involves both exposing to get the shot, and then some specific tricks in lightroom to pull out the data. Any suggestions folks? Or am I much better off just using photoshops HDR tools, and getting a wide bracket? I did try putting the camera in bracket (about two stops), setting the meter on the sky in Manual, composing, taking my bracketed shots, then hitting the green button to bracket on the foreground, so I've got two sets of bracketed shots, one for the sky and one for the foreground. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
Larry, I am just curious - when you metered the valley, were you metering the trees or the river? For me, the clouds and the river are the two dramatic elements, the trees are just there as filler/framing. I suspect that if you had a 1° spot-meter reading from the water, it would have given an EV even lower than you got from (apparently) the average of the valley. All of which is to say that your challenge in effectively dealing with the wide dynamic range may be even bigger than you presented it. stan On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Well, it's a nice picture; you seem to have conquered the tonal-range issues with the tools available. I suspect it might benefit from punching up the greens, either with the vibrance control or maybe just a nudge on the green slider. -T On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The dynamic range of the K-5 is amazing, but making use of it is not trivial. Both yesterday and today, I got some photos of the river gorge, with some cloud action going on in the background. When I shot them, I bracketed, but rather than using photoshops HDR feature I fussed, fumbled and frobbed the controls in lightroom to try to keep detail in both the sky and the valley. I'm almost satisfied with the way that this one came out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ The challenge seems to come from there basically being a bi-modal distribution, where I've got a lot of pixels all of the way to the right of the histogram, and another bunch all of the way to the left. I almost need a tone curve that is very steep on the right 10% of the values, and then more or less linear to that point, or possibly also fairly steep on the left, flattish in the middle and steep on the right. I'm sure that the way to do this involves both exposing to get the shot, and then some specific tricks in lightroom to pull out the data. Any suggestions folks? Or am I much better off just using photoshops HDR tools, and getting a wide bracket? I did try putting the camera in bracket (about two stops), setting the meter on the sky in Manual, composing, taking my bracketed shots, then hitting the green button to bracket on the foreground, so I've got two sets of bracketed shots, one for the sky and one for the foreground. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Well, it's a nice picture; you seem to have conquered the tonal-range issues with the tools available. I suspect it might benefit from punching up the greens, either with the vibrance control or maybe just a nudge on the green slider. -T Excellent advice! I played around with some things, and it helped a lot! I just updated the file, but if you have it in a tab, and click on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559355279/in/set-72157626352846496/ you may be able to compare them side by side. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lightroom and K-5 questions
On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Larry, I am just curious - when you metered the valley, were you metering the trees or the river? Good question, I don't have a good answer. Once I had my composition, I just hit the green button, and bracketed what it gave me. Basically, the K-5 is proving to be an amazing piece of gear. For reference, here is the frame, as it came out of the camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5559723749/ I suspect that for the absolute best results, I'll still need to use multiple exposures and HDR tools, but I'm very impressed by what I can get out of a single frame on this camera. It seems to have pretty much the performance that I'm going to *need* for a while. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
