Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Op Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:07:24 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: O.k., thanks. Interesting to know. Like you said, it is a very nice lens. -- Ciao, Lucas I don't know personally, however the word from people who tried to get these repaired by Pentax was that the aspheric lens had delaminated and couldn't be repaired no parts were available, a cemented group could be repaired, but it might not be economically feasible slight difference. It seems that a while ago more of the aspheric elements were found and the lenses could be repaired, I was able to purchase a re-manufactured copy, for about what the price of repair would have been. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:52:43 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp Are you sure it was the composite AL element that comes loose on some 28-70's? There seem to be two groups of two cemented elements in this lens: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_optics/28-70f4.gif. It could be one of those... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
P. J. Alling wrote: I don't know personally, however the word from people who tried to get these repaired by Pentax was that the aspheric lens had delaminated and couldn't be repaired no parts were available, a cemented group could be repaired, but it might not be economically feasible slight difference. It seems that a while ago more of the aspheric elements were found and the lenses could be repaired, I was able to purchase a re-manufactured copy, for about what the price of repair would have been. I know a shop that has *two* of these lenses, new in the box, on the shelf. If they sell one, it will technically be under Pentax factory warranty. Interesting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490€ is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/04 Wed PM 10:01:58 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM 2008/6/4 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The composite elements were a spherical glass component with an optical plastic having an identical diffraction index, molded to the glass component to form the aspheric element. The optical plastic was the glue... Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you think they've used different techniques on other AL lenses? My guess would be same technique, different plastic. It's a standard lensmaking technique now. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490€ is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Yeah I know, good point on the buffer, this is indeed THE drawback of that otherwise very nice camera. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490€ is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Op Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:52:43 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp Are you sure it was the composite AL element that comes loose on some 28-70's? There seem to be two groups of two cemented elements in this lens: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_optics/28-70f4.gif. It could be one of those... -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
I don't know personally, however the word from people who tried to get these repaired by Pentax was that the aspheric lens had delaminated and couldn't be repaired no parts were available, a cemented group could be repaired, but it might not be economically feasible slight difference. It seems that a while ago more of the aspheric elements were found and the lenses could be repaired, I was able to purchase a re-manufactured copy, for about what the price of repair would have been. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:52:43 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp Are you sure it was the composite AL element that comes loose on some 28-70's? There seem to be two groups of two cemented elements in this lens: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_optics/28-70f4.gif. It could be one of those... -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
whine, whine, whine Buy something else! On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490€ is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
If I was buying a sub-$1k body I would. The Sony most likely, or the Nikon D80 (which is comparable to the K10D, but costs about the same as the K200D). The thing is I'm a Pentax fan. I'd really like to see them with a competitive body in the core of the marketplace. The K20D is a great body and competitive at its pricepoint, but the K200D is not, especially since it offers less camera for more money than the K10D did. -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whine, whine, whine Buy something else! On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490€ is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Isn't the K100D Super still being offered there? It's still on sale and being advertised here - it's even still listed on the Pentax Aust (aka CR Kennedy) web site (maybe Kennedy has lots of old stock). Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:30:25 -0400, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If I was buying a sub-$1k body I would. The Sony most likely, or the Nikon D80 (which is comparable to the K10D, but costs about the same as the K200D). The thing is I'm a Pentax fan. I'd really like to see them with a competitive body in the core of the marketplace. The K20D is a great body and competitive at its pricepoint, but the K200D is not, especially since it offers less camera for more money than the K10D did. -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whine, whine, whine Buy something else! On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490#8364; is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Buy something else! That is the problem Pentax will have to deal with if they don't offer good value (comparable specifications) for comparable money. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
No, there hasn't been stock in several months. K10D's were still available when K100D Super stock ran out in Canada. -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the K100D Super still being offered there? It's still on sale and being advertised here - it's even still listed on the Pentax Aust (aka CR Kennedy) web site (maybe Kennedy has lots of old stock). Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:30:25 -0400, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If I was buying a sub-$1k body I would. The Sony most likely, or the Nikon D80 (which is comparable to the K10D, but costs about the same as the K200D). The thing is I'm a Pentax fan. I'd really like to see them with a competitive body in the core of the marketplace. The K20D is a great body and competitive at its pricepoint, but the K200D is not, especially since it offers less camera for more money than the K10D did. -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whine, whine, whine Buy something else! On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not here it isn't. It's about $200 over the Sony A200 kit at base price ($850 vs $650), and the Sony an be had on sale under $500 on occasion. The Sony offers everything the K200D does except AA batteries and sealing and adds a usable buffer, faster AF and better batteries. The K200D's buffer spec is so crippled that I can't consider it anything other than an entry level camera. Every other camera on the market except teh Panasonic DMC-L10 has a greatly superior buffer, even el-cheapos like the Nikon D40 (9 shot RAW) -Adam On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K200D is competitive IMO although this isn't a real low-end body: 490#8364; is OK to me. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
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Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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i think that's a fantastic news best, mishka On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
It's KAF3 (= SDM only). Dario - Original Message - From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM i think that's a fantastic news best, mishka On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
:-D What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. That it's almost time for bed :-) Cheers, Dave 2008/6/4 Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Well, it finally gives Pentax a replacement for mid-range normal zooms like the 28-105's, longer than the 16-50 or 18-55 but shorter and better than the 18-250. Gotta say I loved that range on the Sigma 17-70, and the fixed max aperture is a nice feature (but I'd probably still prefer the extra stop the Sigma's got at the wide end over the half-stop advantage the Pentax has at 70mm). Pentax isn't exactly matching Nikon's overflow of normal DX zooms (Nikon's made the 18-70, 18-135, 16-85VR, 3 different 18-55's one of which is VR and two of which are currently available, the 18-200VR and the 17-55 f2.8) -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. That it's almost time for bed :-) Cheers, Dave 2008/6/4 Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
That said, it is a range that should be of interest to most photographers. It produces the equivalent FoV/DoF that the Leica 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5 lens I have on 4/3 provides, or 28-100mm on a Nikon F, which is the range that I've found to be most useful in my work. G On Jun 4, 2008, at 7:35 AM, David Savage wrote: What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... Yawn. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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SDM only according to the site. It would appeal to *ist D series owners and manual focus only will turn some off. Then again a body only lasts 5 or 6 years in the digital world so who's still using a *ist D class camera... Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I still use my ist D. Have thought about getting a 200 D, but after using my D in China, and seeing the results, I put that thought on the back burner. Jim A. SDM only according to the site. It would appeal to *ist D series owners and manual focus only will turn some off. Then again a body only lasts 5 or 6 years in the digital world so who's still using a *ist D class camera... Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You didn't have to answer, it was a rhetorical/ironic question... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still use my ist D. Have thought about getting a 200 D, but after using my D in China, and seeing the results, I put that thought on the back burner. Jim A. SDM only according to the site. It would appeal to *ist D series owners and manual focus only will turn some off. Then again a body only lasts 5 or 6 years in the digital world so who's still using a *ist D class camera... Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Sure, it's another mid-range zoom. But even back in the film days Pentax offered us a choice of 28-80 and 28-105 zooms. This looks to be more desirable than the old 28-105 zooms; it's a bit wider (after allowing for sensor size), and constant aperture. But if I got one it wouldn't auto-focus on my *ist-D ... On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:35:11PM +0800, David Savage wrote: :-D What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. That it's almost time for bed :-) Cheers, Dave 2008/6/4 Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: mi?rcoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think the achilles heel of the FA 28-70/4 was actually the quality of the cement used to glue the elements together, rather than the elements themselves. Pentax has done a lot of lenses with AL since then, without repeating the mistake. Jostein 2008/6/4 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What Bob said about the GFM week-end. Some of us have even travelled across significant portions of salty water to get there. It's worth it. Jostein 2008/6/4 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The composite elements were a spherical glass component with an optical plastic having an identical diffraction index, molded to the glass component to form the aspheric element. The optical plastic was the glue... AlunFoto wrote: I think the achilles heel of the FA 28-70/4 was actually the quality of the cement used to glue the elements together, rather than the elements themselves. Pentax has done a lot of lenses with AL since then, without repeating the mistake. Jostein 2008/6/4 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting, the lens contains not one but two composite, aspherical elements, the composite aspherical element was the achillies heel of the smcp FA 28-70mm f4.0 an otherwise exemplary little lens. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. That it's almost time for bed :-) That lens travels at faster than the speed of sound, man!! How can you not be excited about it? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D What I mean is it's another lens in the 16-XX range. It does nothing to excite me. That it's almost time for bed :-) That lens travels at faster than the speed of sound, man!! How can you not be excited about it? cheers, frank Maybe, but only over very, very short distances... -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That lens travels at faster than the speed of sound, man!! How can you not be excited about it? cheers, frank Maybe, but only over very, very short distances... Primes may be faster, but zooms have more endurance. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
Oooops, It was just a joke. Dave answered with a 'yawn' to an entry about a new Pentax glass, and I just wanted to connect with my thread last week about the list focus swift. That's all. (and, at the end, the yawn was more about the range of zoom presented, rather than about being an equipment subject). I am sure that this GFM event is well worth it, as you say some of you are crossing the ocean in order to attend. In my case, well, nature photography is not one of my primary interest and I would find hard to justify to me and to my family such a trip. I've been only once in the US and it was for 4 months !! If I mentioned it is because there has been a lot of threads about it recently and because it is a good example of a non Pentax related topic, as opposed to the lens one. Probably one has to be better known in order to be successful with irony... ;-) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 22:25:47 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM What Bob said about the GFM week-end. Some of us have even travelled across significant portions of salty water to get there. It's worth it. Jostein 2008/6/4 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) Jaume - Mensaje original De: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 4 de junio, 2008 16:05:16 Asunto: Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM Sorry but: Yawn. Cheers, Dave :-) 2008/6/4 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08060301pentax17-70sdm.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/6/4 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The composite elements were a spherical glass component with an optical plastic having an identical diffraction index, molded to the glass component to form the aspheric element. The optical plastic was the glue... Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you think they've used different techniques on other AL lenses? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/6/4 Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Probably one has to be better known in order to be successful with irony... ;-) LOL. I think you're just about getting there, Jaume. Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know, Pentax supposedly pioneered the technique. We can only hope they got it right eventually... AlunFoto wrote: 2008/6/4 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The composite elements were a spherical glass component with an optical plastic having an identical diffraction index, molded to the glass component to form the aspheric element. The optical plastic was the glue... Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you think they've used different techniques on other AL lenses? Jostein -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
On Jun 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Cory Waters wrote: I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? I suspect that, if given the choice, many would choose a 17-70/4 instead of an 18-55/3.5-5.6 as a higher grade standard lens option for K200D, K20D and K10D bodies. I certainly would. Although I'd prefer an f/2.8, such a lens would become too bulky and too expensive, like the DA*16-50/2.8 is, as a kit lens option. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: smc PENTAX-DA 17-70mmF4AL[IF] SDM
The masses? probably not, they'll be set with the 18-55 and 50-200. But they'll likely not buy Pentax right now since Pentax lacks a competitive sub-$1K camera. Semi-serious photogs? certainly. It's a longer-range replacement for the well-liked 16-45/4. Nikon's similar range 18-70 and 16-85VR are also very popular, as is Canon's 17-85IS. This will be the main option for Pentax users upgrading from the 18-55. I could also see Pentax using it as the kit with the K20D and later mid/high range bodies. -Adam On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Bob... I never considered that his reply wasn't serious... I personally love the OT GFM chatter :) I mostly agree with Savage on this one. I mean, unless the lens is WAY better than the kit lens On the other hand, I guess it depends on the price. Do we think that the masses would buy such a thing? CW Bob Sullivan wrote: Jaume, Lighten up and chill out! Grandfather Mountain is a very cheap, high quality, 3 day photo seminar. Cost was $115 this year, with no hotel costs if you camped out. Compare this to other photo seminars you see in magazines. These are the same presenters who run their own 3-5 day seminars at $500 each. It's also a good social activity that helps keep this list out of flame wars. Why don't you sign up for next year and see for yourself. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please, no more OTs. Let's talk about that camping party in the old mountain instead... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
