Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-26 Thread Andre Langevin
Andre wrote:
35-S (and SII) are great silent cameras.  Most impressive of all is
the 1957 Wide-S with a 35mm f2 made of 8 elements  The Olympus is the
smallest 35/2 rangefinder around.

Andre,
Unlike the Olympus 35-S of the 1970s, the 35-S of the 1950s had no meter.
Did the Wide-S have a meter?

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Sorry Paul, I was out for the weekend but glad to see Keith gave you 
a complete picture on meter and CRF.  Personnally I don't care about 
having a meter for these old RF cameras.  I want a stable shutter, I 
take note of the tested speeds for a camera and write it done on the 
camera (well, on a tiny piece of paper scotch taped on the camera) 
and use either f16 rule or an external meter.

Smallest 35/2 rangefinder?  By very little.  But the Olympus weights 
30% more...

Hexar  137.5 x 76.5 x 64.5  495g
Wide-S 125   x 80   x 65650g

Andre
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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-25 Thread Mike Johnston
 I suggest you try yours with an open mind and believe your eyes above my
 words
 
 --Mike
 
 Thanks. I will, and I'll soon find out how it works out, and report
 back. smile



Good! I'll look forward to your report.

--Mike

P.S. No offense taken at anything in this thread, really. In fact, I was
feeling a bit rueful myself. I tend sometimes to slam things that other
people like or are using, which is not a constructive thing to do. Since my
main mission is to help engender enthusiasm for the photography hobby and
enable people to enjoy it, insulting their choice of tools is not what I'm
about.




Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-24 Thread Mike Johnston
 Then there's always the Olympus 35 SP rangefinder, with the Zuiko-G
 1.7 lens, widely considered the poor man's Leica, because of it's
 great optical performance.



It may be a great lens, but the coatings on it are so poor it's almost
useless IMHO. I'll take a Canon QL-17 GIII any day (and, in fact, did).

Best coatings, by rank:
Pentax  Zeiss
Leica
Canon
Nikon
Olympus (*sucked* until about 1988, when it caught up to C/N)

--Mike




Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-24 Thread Keith Whaley
Awww, S**^%%#+• Mike!
Why didn't I have this knowledge this before I [just] bought two of them?
I used to be a long time Olympus guy, and do like their lenses. The
Zuiko-G f/1.7 is legend for it's sharpness. I'm a sharpness freak. I
thought this is for me! I just wanted a small, fast, crisp lensed and
QUIET rangefinder, for crowd work...

I have read a lot about the Canon QL-17 GIII, and considered it, but
it's clunkier and not as pretty, and somehow I just couldn't manage to
get the wallet out when it was for a Canon...

I recently bought two of those Olys more or less inadvertently. I bid
on one on eBay, figured it was going to go too high for me, so as it
got late, I bid on another. It was Nip and Tuck, but I won them both!
Dang NAB it!
Anyhow, I will clean both of them up and put a roll thru each and make
my decision. One will win out, and I'll see how it performs. 
The other one goes back on eBay.
What's the coating problem? Ghosting, loss of light, flaring? 

keith

Mike Johnston wrote:
 
  Then there's always the Olympus 35 SP rangefinder, with the Zuiko-G
  1.7 lens, widely considered the 'poor man's Leica,' because of it's
  great optical performance.
 
 It may be a great lens, but the coatings on it are so poor it's almost
 useless IMHO. I'll take a Canon QL-17 GIII any day (and, in fact, did).
 
 Best coatings, by rank:
 Pentax  Zeiss
 Leica
 Canon
 Nikon
 Olympus (*sucked* until about 1988, when it caught up to C/N)
 
 --Mike




What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Andre Langevin
The Zuiko-G f/1.7 is legend for it's sharpness.


(...)


What's the coating problem? Ghosting, loss of light, flaring?

keith


One solution is to use a shade, which, as you know, is tricky for a 
RF because you see part of it in the viewfinder.  And with an 
effective tulip hood (made out of plastic Pentax 85/2 hood for 
example) the camera become about twice as noticeable...  Maybe a 
smaller hood like the old Konica ones (not much wider than the filter 
ring) could help and keep up with this machine's style.

I only tried this lens one (with Kodachrome 64) and it is... as crisp 
as a fresh Melba toast.  X-acto comes to mind also.

Its spot metering is usefull if one remembers the different 
reflectance of some colors.

Andre





Mike Johnston wrote:


  Then there's always the Olympus 35 SP rangefinder, with the Zuiko-G
  1.7 lens, widely considered the 'poor man's Leica,' because of it's
  great optical performance.


  It may be a great lens, but the coatings on it are so poor it's almost

 useless IMHO. I'll take a Canon QL-17 GIII any day (and, in fact, did).

 Best coatings, by rank:
 Pentax  Zeiss
 Leica
 Canon
 Nikon
 Olympus (*sucked* until about 1988, when it caught up to C/N)

 --Mike



--




Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Joe Wilensky
I had an Olympus 35SP for a while, too -- beautiful lens and a beautiful 
camera. It's huge, though -- much larger than the Oly 35RD and 35RC, and 
larger than the Canonet QL17 GIII.
The 35SP is also quite loud, at least for a rangefinder. The 35RD and 35RC, 
as well as rangefinders like the Canonet and Konica Auto S3, are very quiet.

The 35SP has a program mode, but it doesn't let you know what shutter speed 
and aperture it has selected. Manual metering is possible, as is the useful 
spot metering, but you still have to read the EV scale in the viewfinder 
and transfer it to the camera.

In the end, I realized that the 35SP was pretty much the same size as an 
MX/ME Super with a 50/1.7 lens. I traded the 35SP. I still have a 35RC, 
which is truly tiny, and a lovely old Olympus 35-S from the late '50s 
(thanks, Keith!), which has a whole different feel from the '70s rangefinders.

Joe

At 05:50 PM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
The Zuiko-G f/1.7 is legend for it's sharpness.


(...)


What's the coating problem? Ghosting, loss of light, flaring?

keith


One solution is to use a shade, which, as you know, is tricky for a RF 
because you see part of it in the viewfinder.  And with an effective tulip 
hood (made out of plastic Pentax 85/2 hood for example) the camera become 
about twice as noticeable...  Maybe a smaller hood like the old Konica 
ones (not much wider than the filter ring) could help and keep up with 
this machine's style.

I only tried this lens one (with Kodachrome 64) and it is... as crisp as a 
fresh Melba toast.  X-acto comes to mind also.

Its spot metering is usefull if one remembers the different reflectance of 
some colors.

Andre





Mike Johnston wrote:


  Then there's always the Olympus 35 SP rangefinder, with the Zuiko-G
  1.7 lens, widely considered the 'poor man's Leica,' because of it's
  great optical performance.

  It may be a great lens, but the coatings on it are so poor it's almost

 useless IMHO. I'll take a Canon QL-17 GIII any day (and, in fact, did).

 Best coatings, by rank:
 Pentax  Zeiss
 Leica
 Canon
 Nikon
 Olympus (*sucked* until about 1988, when it caught up to C/N)

 --Mike



--





Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Andre Langevin
I had an Olympus 35SP for a while, too -- beautiful lens and a 
beautiful camera. It's huge, though -- much larger than the Oly 35RD 
and 35RC, and larger than the Canonet QL17 GIII.
The 35SP is also quite loud, at least for a rangefinder. The 35RD 
and 35RC, as well as rangefinders like the Canonet and Konica Auto 
S3, are very quiet.

The 35SP has a program mode, but it doesn't let you know what 
shutter speed and aperture it has selected. Manual metering is 
possible, as is the useful spot metering, but you still have to read 
the EV scale in the viewfinder and transfer it to the camera.

In the end, I realized that the 35SP was pretty much the same size 
as an MX/ME Super with a 50/1.7 lens. I traded the 35SP. I still 
have a 35RC, which is truly tiny, and a lovely old Olympus 35-S from 
the late '50s (thanks, Keith!), which has a whole different feel 
from the '70s rangefinders.

Joe

35-S (and SII) are great silent cameras.  Most impressive of all is 
the 1957 Wide-S with a 35mm f2 made of 8 elements.  Almost no 
distorsion.  I've tried the brickwall (only at min dist.) and a photo 
with straight building lines and cannot spot any distorsion.  Hexar 
fans, hold on your hat...  The Olympus is the smallest 35/2 
rangefinder around.

Andre
--



Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Keith Whaley
A whole different feel... Hellsfire! I may end up thinking those
Olys are nothing but bricks, like the Argus C-3, and put BOTH of 'em
back on eBay!
Sharpness isn't everything!
No, I'll give them an honest chance first. But I suspect it doesn't
matter if they're gone before my OptioS comes in. g  Give me more
time to concentrate on the Altoid camera...

keith

Joe Wilensky wrote:
 
 I had an Olympus 35SP for a while, too -- beautiful lens and a beautiful
 camera. It's huge, though -- much larger than the Oly 35RD and 35RC, and
 larger than the Canonet QL17 GIII.
 The 35SP is also quite loud, at least for a rangefinder. The 35RD and 35RC,
 as well as rangefinders like the Canonet and Konica Auto S3, are very quiet.
 
 The 35SP has a program mode, but it doesn't let you know what shutter speed
 and aperture it has selected. Manual metering is possible, as is the useful
 spot metering, but you still have to read the EV scale in the viewfinder
 and transfer it to the camera.
 
 In the end, I realized that the 35SP was pretty much the same size as an
 MX/ME Super with a 50/1.7 lens. I traded the 35SP. I still have a 35RC,
 which is truly tiny, and a lovely old Olympus 35-S from the late '50s
 (thanks, Keith!), which has a whole different feel from the '70s rangefinders.
 
 Joe
 
 At 05:50 PM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
 The Zuiko-G f/1.7 is legend for it's sharpness.
 
 (...)
 
 What's the coating problem? Ghosting, loss of light, flaring?
 
 keith
 
 One solution is to use a shade, which, as you know, is tricky for a RF
 because you see part of it in the viewfinder.  

[...]




Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Keith Whaley
Been trying to get an SII, and they're quite scarce. Or more expensive
than I care for...

I will, tho', eventually. I need one for my collection.

keith

Andre Langevin wrote:
 
 I had an Olympus 35SP for a while, too -- beautiful lens and a
 beautiful camera. It's huge, though -- much larger than the Oly 35RD
 and 35RC, and larger than the Canonet QL17 GIII.
 The 35SP is also quite loud, at least for a rangefinder. The 35RD
 and 35RC, as well as rangefinders like the Canonet and Konica Auto
 S3, are very quiet.
 
 The 35SP has a program mode, but it doesn't let you know what
 shutter speed and aperture it has selected. Manual metering is
 possible, as is the useful spot metering, but you still have to read
 the EV scale in the viewfinder and transfer it to the camera.
 
 In the end, I realized that the 35SP was pretty much the same size
 as an MX/ME Super with a 50/1.7 lens. I traded the 35SP. I still
 have a 35RC, which is truly tiny, and a lovely old Olympus 35-S from
 the late '50s (thanks, Keith!), which has a whole different feel
 from the '70s rangefinders.
 
 Joe
 
 35-S (and SII) are great silent cameras.  Most impressive of all is
 the 1957 Wide-S with a 35mm f2 made of 8 elements.  Almost no
 distorsion.  I've tried the brickwall (only at min dist.) and a photo
 with straight building lines and cannot spot any distorsion.  Hexar
 fans, hold on your hat...  The Olympus is the smallest 35/2
 rangefinder around.
 
 Andre
 --




Re: What a great place! (for a Zuiko 42mm)

2003-01-24 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
Indeed, Olympus made a handful of fine 35mm fixed-lens rangefinders, but the
35 SP--and perhaps its predecessor, the 35-S--were the only fixed-lens RFs
to use a 7-element, 5-group lens.

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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-24 Thread Mike Johnston
 Awww, S**^%%#+• Mike!
 Why didn't I have this knowledge this before I [just] bought two of them?
 I used to be a long time Olympus guy, and do like their lenses. The
 Zuiko-G f/1.7 is legend for it's sharpness. I'm a sharpness freak. I
 thought this is for me! I just wanted a small, fast, crisp lensed and
 QUIET rangefinder, for crowd work...


Well, there's always the chance there was something wrong with mine. Oil on
the lens, fungus, something like that.

I suggest you try yours with an open mind and believe your eyes above my
words

--Mike




Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-23 Thread Jeff
Frank is like a cat, with a few lives still available.

Jeff.

frank theriault wrote:

Hey Dave,

No problems.  The only body to have gone down recently is my beloved
Leica.  Still have the MX, a few Spots, Yashica Mat and Electro 35, etc,
etc.

I was just in a bitchy mood the other day, is all.  But, I'm better now
vbg.

tanx anyways,
knarf

David Brooks wrote:



Gez,can't even lend that puppy away eh Brendanvbg
Frank i have a spare K1000 if you need something for
Feb 1




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RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-23 Thread David Chang-Sang
If that's the case..
Frank, I'll trade you one of your lives for my soon to arrive ME-F ?

sound fair ? :)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?


Frank is like a cat, with a few lives still available.

Jeff.

frank theriault wrote:
 Hey Dave,
 
 No problems.  The only body to have gone down recently is my beloved
 Leica.  Still have the MX, a few Spots, Yashica Mat and Electro 35, etc,
 etc.
 
 I was just in a bitchy mood the other day, is all.  But, I'm better now
 vbg.
 
 tanx anyways,
 knarf
 
 David Brooks wrote:
 
 
Gez,can't even lend that puppy away eh Brendanvbg
Frank i have a spare K1000 if you need something for
Feb 1

 
 
 --
 The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
 pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
 Oppenheimer
 
 
 








Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-23 Thread frank theriault
Maybe you're right, Jeff.

Perhaps I should have bought a Texax Leica rather than my little baby...
g

-frank

Jeff wrote:

 Frank is like a cat, with a few lives still available.

 Jeff.


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fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-23 Thread Keith Whaley


frank theriault wrote:
 
 Maybe you're right, Jeff.
 
 Perhaps I should have bought a Texax Leica rather than my little baby...
 g

Then there's always the Olympus 35 SP rangefinder, with the Zuiko-G
1.7 lens, widely considered the poor man's Leica, because of it's
great optical performance.
I have two on the way. Interested in obtaining the other? I'll only
end up with one of them.

keith whaley
 
 -frank
 
 Jeff wrote:
 
  Frank is like a cat, with a few lives still available.
 
  Jeff.




Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-23 Thread Jeff
Never too late.
I've seen a few on ebay lately.

Jeff.

frank theriault wrote:

Maybe you're right, Jeff.

Perhaps I should have bought a Texax Leica rather than my little baby...
g

-frank

Jeff wrote:



Frank is like a cat, with a few lives still available.

Jeff.




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fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer









RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Folks,

I know Frank's going to read this but I thought, seeing as how times are
tough for him (equipment wise) and he's offered help to so many others on
the list maybe we could do him a favor in return.  

Anyone willing to join me in chipping in to perhaps get him what he needs -
something equivalent to his beloved Vivitar S1 24-48 lens - I'm not sure
what could replace it or if anyone has a comparable user that they are
willing to let go for a song. 

You can reply to me off list if you think you'd like to help out or if you
think I'm being a goofball for asking about this.  :-)

Cheers,
Dave


Original Message:
-
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: what a great place!


Last night I whined that I'm having some equipment problems.  I may g
have exaggerated some, but in fact, over the last week or two, I've had
one body and one lens go down.   It was my favourite body, and my
favourite lens.

Several on this list, thinking that I may be completely without
photographic equipment, wrote to me last night, offering to loan me some
bodies and lenses for a period of time.

That won't be necessary, and I've written each of them individually to
thank them, but I continue to be amazed at what a wonderful community
this is.

thanks again,
frank

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pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
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RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread Brendan
there is that gumby 28-105 he can borrow.

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  Folks,
 
 I know Frank's going to read this but I thought,
 seeing as how times are
 tough for him (equipment wise) and he's offered help
 to so many others on
 the list maybe we could do him a favor in return.  
 
 Anyone willing to join me in chipping in to perhaps
 get him what he needs -
 something equivalent to his beloved Vivitar S1 24-48
 lens - I'm not sure
 what could replace it or if anyone has a comparable
 user that they are
 willing to let go for a song. 
 
 You can reply to me off list if you think you'd like
 to help out or if you
 think I'm being a goofball for asking about this. 
 :-)
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
 Original Message:
 -
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: what a great place!
 
 
 Last night I whined that I'm having some equipment
 problems.  I may g
 have exaggerated some, but in fact, over the last
 week or two, I've had
 one body and one lens go down.   It was my favourite
 body, and my
 favourite lens.
 
 Several on this list, thinking that I may be
 completely without
 photographic equipment, wrote to me last night,
 offering to loan me some
 bodies and lenses for a period of time.
 
 That won't be necessary, and I've written each of
 them individually to
 thank them, but I continue to be amazed at what a
 wonderful community
 this is.
 
 thanks again,
 frank
 
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 The optimist thinks this is the best of all
 possible worlds. The
 pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
 Oppenheimer
 
 
 
 


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Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Doug Brewer
Picture this, Steve:

One tripod.
One asphalt path.
One $7500 Pentax SMCP-FA* 250-600mm f/5.6 ED IF.
Gravity.

Bottom line: it happens.

Doug



At 09:45 AM 1/22/03, you wrote:

Yes, I feel pretty crappy about the lens! I`m the one that broke
Frank`s lens. Now I`m probably out at least $100 to have Frank`s
lens fixed,
and I still
have the same lens (paid $250) that doen`t work either. So I have
a VS1 24-48 that does not focus to infinity that is going to end
up costing me $350.

It is the last time I will
borrow something or have something fixed for someone (a friend
sent his lens to me to have it CLA`d and I never got paid).
Sorry for the rant, I`m just feeling dumb,
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California





Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Brendan
Doug how could you you destroyed such a work of
art, shame on you.

 --- Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Picture this, Steve:
 
 One tripod.
 One asphalt path.
 One $7500 Pentax SMCP-FA* 250-600mm f/5.6 ED IF.
 Gravity.
 
 Bottom line: it happens.
 
 Doug
 
 
 
 At 09:45 AM 1/22/03, you wrote:
 Yes, I feel pretty crappy about the lens! I`m the
 one that broke
 Frank`s lens. Now I`m probably out at least $100 to
 have Frank`s
 lens fixed,
 and I still
 have the same lens (paid $250) that doen`t work
 either. So I have
 a VS1 24-48 that does not focus to infinity that is
 going to end
 up costing me $350.
 
 It is the last time I will
 borrow something or have something fixed for
 someone (a friend
 sent his lens to me to have it CLA`d and I never
 got paid).
 Sorry for the rant, I`m just feeling dumb,
 Steve Larson
 Redondo Beach, California
  

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Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Pat White
Don't be surprised, Frank.  When you do good, it comes back to you.

Pat White





Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Brendan
I'm still waiting, guess it's Frank's turn :-)

 --- Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Don't be
surprised, Frank.  When you do good, it
 comes back to you.
 
 Pat White
 
  

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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Larson
Hi Dave,
 I would be the first to chip in, but I am going to rectify this
situation. If Franks 24-48 cannot be fixed, I will take the shims
from his, put them in mine and give it to him. Then at least one of
us has a perfect specimen.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?


 Folks,

 I know Frank's going to read this but I thought, seeing as how times are
 tough for him (equipment wise) and he's offered help to so many others on
 the list maybe we could do him a favor in return.

 Anyone willing to join me in chipping in to perhaps get him what he
needs -
 something equivalent to his beloved Vivitar S1 24-48 lens - I'm not sure
 what could replace it or if anyone has a comparable user that they are
 willing to let go for a song.

 You can reply to me off list if you think you'd like to help out or if you
 think I'm being a goofball for asking about this.  :-)

 Cheers,
 Dave


 Original Message:
 -
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: what a great place!


 Last night I whined that I'm having some equipment problems.  I may g
 have exaggerated some, but in fact, over the last week or two, I've had
 one body and one lens go down.   It was my favourite body, and my
 favourite lens.

 Several on this list, thinking that I may be completely without
 photographic equipment, wrote to me last night, offering to loan me some
 bodies and lenses for a period of time.

 That won't be necessary, and I've written each of them individually to
 thank them, but I continue to be amazed at what a wonderful community
 this is.

 thanks again,
 frank

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 The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
 pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
 Oppenheimer




 
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Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Larson
Thanks for consultation guys, I needed it. I guess my dilemma
is trivial, especially compared to Doug`s.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.




Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread frank theriault
No worries Steve!

We'll get it worked out vbg.

Those S1 Vivitars are just too nice to let die, eh?

I just hope that we don't end up outbidding each other next time a k-mount one
comes up on eBay!!  (we better exchange user names, to make sure that don't
happen - doh!).

cheers,
frank

Steve Larson wrote:

 Yes, I feel pretty crappy about the lens! I`m the one that broke
 Frank`s lens. Now I`m probably out at least $100 to have Frank`s
 lens fixed,
 and I still
 have the same lens (paid $250) that doen`t work either. So I have
 a VS1 24-48 that does not focus to infinity that is going to end
 up costing me $350.

 It is the last time I will
 borrow something or have something fixed for someone (a friend
 sent his lens to me to have it CLA`d and I never got paid).
 Sorry for the rant, I`m just feeling dumb,
 Steve Larson
 Redondo Beach, California
 Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.


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fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread frank theriault
Ah well,

I was pretty pissed yesterday when I found out that the lens may be
irrepairable (but a second tech is going to give it a shot), but after
ruminating overnight, I awoke this morning, and realized hell, it's
~just~ a lens!

People are starving in the third world, we seem to be slowly lurching
towards a war, the homeless are literally freezing to death on the
sidewalks and alleys of our city as we are heading into the second week
of the coldest spell of weather we've seen in a couple of years.

And, I sit here in my warm apartment, with all the comforts I need,
including loads of cameras and lenses, and I'm pissed?  Nah, it's just a
lens (although my favourite), and I'm dealing with a very reasonable
friend (hi, Steve!), and a competent repair shop.

And, you're right, Pat.  Sometimes good things do happen to good
people.  Tom calls it paying forward.  It'll come around...  vbg

cheers,
frank

Pat White wrote:

 Don't be surprised, Frank.  When you do good, it comes back to you.

 Pat White

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pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread frank theriault
Don't answer him!!

Really.  It ain't a big deal.  I was just pissed last night, about the lens
(but not at Steve!), and about a bunch of other unrelated things.

The matter will get dealt with, between Steve, the repair shop, and this
author.  T'is no big deal.

Honestly, if people are inclined to give away money, it should go to someone or
some organization who really needs it - like Doctors Without Borders, or the
Jimmy Carter Foundation, or some such.

I guess that I also don't want the list to end up being the equivalent of the
ubiquitous office collections, where it seems that every week, someone's
collecting for some little crisis or other, or someone's selling their kid's
Girl Guide cookies (mind you, I ~love~ Girl Guide cookies!).  We collected some
money a month or two ago for someone who (we perceived) really needed help,
which was wonderful - that's why I thought I'd spearhead it.  But, really, if
I'm ever in that situation, I'll let you know, and graciously accept.

But, not this time.

But, you know, Dave, I really appreciate your thought.  It is very nice of you
to think of me...

cheers,
frank

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Folks,

 I know Frank's going to read this but I thought, seeing as how times are
 tough for him (equipment wise) and he's offered help to so many others on
 the list maybe we could do him a favor in return.

 Anyone willing to join me in chipping in to perhaps get him what he needs -
 something equivalent to his beloved Vivitar S1 24-48 lens - I'm not sure
 what could replace it or if anyone has a comparable user that they are
 willing to let go for a song.

 You can reply to me off list if you think you'd like to help out or if you
 think I'm being a goofball for asking about this.  :-)

 Cheers,
 Dave

 Original Message:
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 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: what a great place!

 Last night I whined that I'm having some equipment problems.  I may g
 have exaggerated some, but in fact, over the last week or two, I've had
 one body and one lens go down.   It was my favourite body, and my
 favourite lens.

 Several on this list, thinking that I may be completely without
 photographic equipment, wrote to me last night, offering to loan me some
 bodies and lenses for a period of time.

 That won't be necessary, and I've written each of them individually to
 thank them, but I continue to be amazed at what a wonderful community
 this is.

 thanks again,
 frank

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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread frank theriault
No worries, Brendan,

I've got that old Soligor 35-105 m42, and another Soligor 35-70 k-mount,
along with some wide-ish primes (Super Tak 3.5 35mm, the Vivitar 2.8 28mm
you sold me, the Vivitar 3.8 19mm Dave sold me).  I'll survive vbg.

But, thanks anyway!

cheers,
frank

Brendan wrote:

 there is that gumby 28-105 he can borrow.


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Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley 
Subject: Re: what a great place!



 What do they call those folks? Lensitians? Lensologists? Lensmiths?

Lensbians.
WW




Re: what a great place!

2003-01-22 Thread Mike Johnston
 Lensbians.


I'll say it: HAR!

--Mike




Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread Jeff
Hey Frank,
You've got more lenses than me.
Can you lend me one? ;-)

Jeff.

frank theriault wrote:

No worries, Brendan,

I've got that old Soligor 35-105 m42, and another Soligor 35-70 k-mount,
along with some wide-ish primes (Super Tak 3.5 35mm, the Vivitar 2.8 28mm
you sold me, the Vivitar 3.8 19mm Dave sold me).  I'll survive vbg.

But, thanks anyway!

cheers,
frank

Brendan wrote:



there is that gumby 28-105 he can borrow.




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Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread Brendan
trade ya for the 19mm

 
 Jeff.
 
 frank theriault wrote:
  No worries, Brendan,
  
  I've got that old Soligor 35-105 m42, and another
 Soligor 35-70 k-mount,
  along with some wide-ish primes (Super Tak 3.5
 35mm, the Vivitar 2.8 28mm
  you sold me, the Vivitar 3.8 19mm Dave sold me). 
 I'll survive vbg.
  
  But, thanks anyway!
  
  cheers,
  frank
  
  Brendan wrote:
  
  
 there is that gumby 28-105 he can borrow.
 
  
  
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  The optimist thinks this is the best of all
 possible worlds. The
  pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
  Oppenheimer
  
  
  
 
  

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RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?

2003-01-22 Thread David Chang-Sang
Hey Steve,

I think Frank's called off the Let's Help Frank fund :)
All those who've replied can stand easy :) and Thank You.

It seems that he's got enough stuff to tide him over for now.

Frank, I'm sure we'll have other things to discuss come Feb 1.

Cheers to all,
Dave


-Original Message-
From: Steve Larson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?


Hi Dave,
 I would be the first to chip in, but I am going to rectify this
situation. If Franks 24-48 cannot be fixed, I will take the shims
from his, put them in mine and give it to him. Then at least one of
us has a perfect specimen.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: RE: what a great place! - Can we help Brother Francis?


 Folks,

 I know Frank's going to read this but I thought, seeing as how times are
 tough for him (equipment wise) and he's offered help to so many others on
 the list maybe we could do him a favor in return.

 Anyone willing to join me in chipping in to perhaps get him what he
needs -
 something equivalent to his beloved Vivitar S1 24-48 lens - I'm not sure
 what could replace it or if anyone has a comparable user that they are
 willing to let go for a song.

 You can reply to me off list if you think you'd like to help out or if you
 think I'm being a goofball for asking about this.  :-)

 Cheers,
 Dave


 Original Message:
 -
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: what a great place!


 Last night I whined that I'm having some equipment problems.  I may g
 have exaggerated some, but in fact, over the last week or two, I've had
 one body and one lens go down.   It was my favourite body, and my
 favourite lens.

 Several on this list, thinking that I may be completely without
 photographic equipment, wrote to me last night, offering to loan me some
 bodies and lenses for a period of time.

 That won't be necessary, and I've written each of them individually to
 thank them, but I continue to be amazed at what a wonderful community
 this is.

 thanks again,
 frank

 --
 The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
 pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
 Oppenheimer




 
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