Re: Re: The World We're In by Will Hutton

2002-05-15 Thread Chris Burford

At 14/05/02 10:46 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:


Hutton joins the bandwagon of critics who oppose the symptoms of
capitalism, but stop short of any solution that will go to the roots.

That is the sort of central question that we should be debating. Do you 
have any direct quotes from Hutton's book to support this?


  Like
George Soros, Edward Luttwak, Joseph Stiglitz and William Greider, he is
upset with global inequality but would be equally upset with structural
changes to eradicate inequality.


Hutton is probably proposing Keynesian solutions. It would certainly not be 
socialism. But even a capitalist programme really to eradicate global 
inequality would be a big shock to the privileged populations of the 
imperialist countries, let alone their bourgeoisies.

This could only be overcome if Keynesian measures brought so much 
underutilised means of production in the third world into play, (especially 
their underutilised labour power) that the total social product of the 
world increased substantially at the same time as surplus was invested 
almost exclusively in the the third world. This would allow a great 
increase in available use value in the world to disguise a massive 
redistribution of exchange value, within the total social product of the 
world.

A bourgeois programme however moving more gradually in this direction might 
be possible and might get the backing of international finance capital as a 
way to stabilise continued capitalist exploitation.


  So, the Cuba socialist path is really the only
alternative, not vaporous calls for social justice from the likes of George
Soros. How this scumbag worms his way into left circles is beyond me.


I presume this is a reference to George Soros. I would have thought that he 
has been invited to a forum for commercial reasons of his  notoriety and 
because he has argued for capital to be recirculated to the global 
peripheries, (no doubt at public expense).

Hutton, who is a fairly honest radical bourgeois, may well also be arguing 
for capital to be redistributed to the peripheries.

Chris Burford




Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Michael Pollak


On Mon, 13 May 2002, Michael Perelman wrote:

  Theoretically speaking, how does a deteriorating fiscal position lead
  to a strong dollar?

 deficits = high interest rates = strong dollar.

That makes perfect sense.  Except how come for all other countries,
growing deficits lead to weaker currencies?  And how come, during the 90s,
surpluses and low interest rates led to a strong dollar?  And deficits and
high interest rates led to a weak Euro?  Are these not considered enough
anomalous results to make this theory slightly questionable under present
arrangements, where capital accounts are all wide open?

Michael




Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Romain Kroes

I have already answered this pertinent question. The asymmetry is due to the
status of dollar as the wolrld account unit of debt. So that the USA are the
only ones paying their debt with their debt. The very question is : why is
the trade balance of world system's metropolis systematically negative
through history, from ancient Athens to the USA, notably through Rome,
16th-century Europe and Victorian England? and the answer can be found in a
Luxemburgist way.
RK

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 On Mon, 13 May 2002, Michael Perelman wrote:

   Theoretically speaking, how does a deteriorating fiscal position lead
   to a strong dollar?
 
  deficits = high interest rates = strong dollar.

 That makes perfect sense.  Except how come for all other countries,
 growing deficits lead to weaker currencies?  And how come, during the 90s,
 surpluses and low interest rates led to a strong dollar?  And deficits and
 high interest rates led to a weak Euro?  Are these not considered enough
 anomalous results to make this theory slightly questionable under present
 arrangements, where capital accounts are all wide open?

 Michael






Re: Re: Re: The World We're In by Will Hutton

2002-05-15 Thread Louis Proyect

Chris Burford:
Hutton is probably proposing Keynesian solutions. It would certainly not be 
socialism. But even a capitalist programme really to eradicate global 
inequality would be a big shock to the privileged populations of the 
imperialist countries, let alone their bourgeoisies.

A  capitalist programme to really to eradicate global equality is a
contradiction in terms, like democratic fascism or enlightened savagery.

This could only be overcome if Keynesian measures brought so much 
underutilised means of production in the third world into play, (especially 
their underutilised labour power) that the total social product of the 
world increased substantially at the same time as surplus was invested 
almost exclusively in the the third world. This would allow a great 
increase in available use value in the world to disguise a massive 
redistribution of exchange value, within the total social product of the 
world.

Keynsianism is an impossible course of action in 3rd world countries
because their economies are too tightly integrated into the world
capitalist system. The only option that makes sense is a proletarian
dictatorship, a planned economy and a monopoly on foreign trade--in other
words the Cuba model. It is also important to acknowledge that Keynsianism
did not work very well in the first world when it was tried out. After all,
it was WWII that lifted the USA out of a depression, not public works.

I presume this is a reference to George Soros. I would have thought that he 
has been invited to a forum for commercial reasons of his  notoriety and 
because he has argued for capital to be recirculated to the global 
peripheries, (no doubt at public expense).

Hutton, who is a fairly honest radical bourgeois, may well also be arguing 
for capital to be redistributed to the peripheries.

What does it mean for capital to be redistributed concretely? Banks have no
trouble making loans to places like Chile or Jamaica. If this is what you
mean, then that's like recommending tobacco to somebody with lung cancer.
If, on the other hand, you mean the kind of arrangement the USSR had with
COMECON, which effectively subsidized the Cuban and Eastern European
economy, then I'm for it. Of course, people like George Soros, Tony Blair
et al are obstacles to that. In any case, the two roads are incompatible.




Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org




RE: Hetero Depts

2002-05-15 Thread Michael Hoover

rollins college/winter park florida, six member dept includes:

charles rock  
eric schutz (who was - and may still be - on pen-l, check out his 2001 book 'markets 
and power: 21st century command economy')  
kenna taylor  

michael hoover




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2002-05-15 Thread Richardson_D

BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, MAY 13, 2002:

A sharp decline in food prices out-weighed the increase in gasoline and
tobacco prices, causing the producer price index to drop 0.2 percent in
April, compared with a 1.0 percent increase in March, according to the
Bureau of Labor Statistics.  The prices of consumer foods dropped 3.2
percent in April, compared with a 0.6 percent increase in March, BLS said.
The so-called core rate of wholesale inflation -- finished goods minus food
and energy -- increased 0.1 percent in April.  Over the year, the core PPI
has risen 0.4 percent (Daily Labor Report, page D-1).

Wholesale prices fell 0.2 percent in April, led by the biggest drop in food
costs in nearly 3 decades.  The decline in the producer price index was a
big turnaround from the sharp 1 percent increase registered in March, the
Labor Department reported.  Excluding volatile food and energy prices, the
core rate of wholesale inflation rose 0.1 percent for the second straight
month (The Washington Post, May 11, page E2).

Producer prices fell unexpectedly in April as food costs showed the biggest
decline in almost 3 decades and sluggish demand made it harder for companies
to charge more, the government reported today.  The Producer Price Index,
which measures prices paid to factories, farmers, and other suppliers of
goods and materials, dropped 0.2 percent after gaining 1 percent in March,
the Labor Department said.  Excluding food and energy, the index rose 0.1
percent, the 11th consecutive reading of that size or smaller (Bloomberg
News, The New York Times, May 11, page B2).

April's unexpected decline in U.S. wholesale prices, which includes the
biggest drop in food prices in 28 years, suggests inflation is abating even
as the economy rebounds.  The Labor Department said Friday the producer
price index for finished goods fell 0.2 percent, the first decline in 4
months.  The drop largely reflected a 3.2 percent fall in food prices and a
slowdown in the growth of energy prices:  When food and energy items are
excluded, the core index rose 0.1 percent, the same rate as in March.
Excluding a 3.9 percent increase in tobacco prices, core prices declined 0.1
percent; according to Morgan Stanley (The Wall Street Journal, page A6).

Writing on trade unions Mary Ellen Slayter (The Washington Post Career
Track feature, page E4) says Although a 1999 survey by Peter D. Hart
Research Associates, Inc. found that young adults (18 to 34) are twice as
likely to think positively about unions than negatively, many young workers
don't quite understand how unions work.  In her article, she quotes Bureau
of Labor Statistics' data, saying ...union members made 15 percent more
than nonunion workers in 2001, according to the U.S. Labor Department.  On
average, union workers made $718 a week in 2001; nonunion workers made
$575.  One commonly cited complaint (about union membership) is the cost of
dues.  Most unions set dues as a percentage of pay.  Those who make more,
pay more, says Slayter.  Another common objection is that unions aren't
suitable for professionals or intellectual workers, that they are only
appropriate for factory workers.  White-collar workers generally believe
they should negotiate individually based on their talent and skills, not
based on where they fall under the union contract.  This is one reason why
there are fewer union workers today than 10 years ago.  In a service
economy, individual talents, which are often hard to judge objectively,
allow some to advance in their careers faster than others. In 2001, 13.5
percent of wage and salary workers were union members, unchanged from 2000,
according to the U.S. Labor Department.  This is a significant decline from
the high of 20.1 percent in 1983, the first year such statistics were
reported. 

Maintaining a gradual rate of improvement, hiring plans for most industries
are stronger for the third quarter than they have been in more than a year,
the latest Manpower, Inc. survey shows. It was the second consecutive
quarter in which job prospects improved.  In its second-quarter survey,
Manpower projected a turnaround as many industries pulled out of recession.
Manpower's survey of nearly 16,000 firms showed that 27 percent plan to add
employees in the third quarter, up by 6 percentage points from the
second-quarter reading of 21 percent.   Only 8 percent of employers said
they plan layoffs for the third quarter, down from 10 percent reporting such
plans for the second quarter.  Manufacturing employment gains projected by
the latest survey are especially encouraging, given the long-running
downturn in that sector, Manpower Chairman Jeffrey Joerres said (Daily Labor
Report, page A-9; Melissa McCord, Associated Press,
http://www.nypost.com/apstories/business/V4788.htm).

DUE OUT TOMORROW:  College Enrollment and Work Activity of 2001 High School
Graduates


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Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Ulhas Joglekar

Romain Kroes wrote:
 I have already answered this pertinent question. The asymmetry is due to
the
 status of dollar as the wolrld account unit of debt. So that the USA are
the
 only ones paying their debt with their debt.

Why does the world continue to accept debt payment in dollars? I remember De
Gaulle refusing dollars and demanding payment in gold in '60s.

The very question is : why is
 the trade balance of world system's metropolis systematically negative
 through history,

US trade balance is negative, but not Japan's. What is the net balance for
the metropolis, Japan and EU included?

from ancient Athens to the USA, notably through Rome,
 16th-century Europe and Victorian England? and the answer can be found in
a
 Luxemburgist way.

How would Luxemburgism explain this phenomenon?

Ulhas




BLS Daily Report

2002-05-15 Thread Richardson_D

BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MAY 14, 2002:

RELEASED TODAY:  Slightly more than three in every five graduates of the
2001 high school class were enrolled in colleges or universities in the
fall, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.  The college enrollment
rate was little changed from the previous 2 years, but was below the record
high of 67 percent in 1997.  Information on school enrollment and the work
activity of high school graduates comes from an October supplement to the
Current Population Survey (CPS). Among the 2.5 million members of the 2001
high school graduating class, 1.6 million (61.7percent) were enrolled in
college the following October.

Worker productivity, a key indicator of long-term economic vitality, rose
8.6 percent in the first quarter -- the best performance in nearly 19 years,
according to the U.S. Department of Labor.  The index, which measures
changes in worker output per hour, means firms are squeezing more from their
employees. Still, gains in productivity allow firms to pay workers more
without raising prices and let the economy grow without sparking inflation.
Analysts say the Fed won't likely raise interest rates until firms start
hiring again (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0513/p14s01-wmgn.html). 

After a tightfisted March, U. S. consumers splurged in April, boosting
retail sales by 1.2 percent, the biggest increase in 6 months.  The latest
sales snapshot released today by the Commerce Department suggests that
consumers -- the lifeblood of the economy -- are helping to support the
budding economic recovery by keeping their pocketbooks and wallets open. The
April advance came after retail sales nudged up by 0.1 percent in March and
was stronger than the 0.6 percent gain many analysts were forecasting.
Consumers, whose spending accounts for two-thirds of all economic activity
in the United States, snapped up cars, building materials, garden supplies
and health care and beauty products last month.  They also ate out more
(Jeannine Aversa, Associated Press
http://www.nandotimes.com/business/story/401156p-3195271c.html).

The U.S. economy will grow 2.8 percent this year and pick up to 3.7 percent
in 2003, but with inflation in check, the Federal Reserve is unlikely to
raise rates until the third quarter, the National Association for Business
Economics said in its latest survey May 13.  NABE forecasters have raised
their predictions for real gross domestic product growth to 2.8 percent from
1.5 percent they had back in February.  When GDP is measured from fourth
quarter to fourth quarter, they predict that the economy will grow 3.9
percent this year and 3.6 percent in 2003.  The survey of 30 forecasters was
taken during the last week of April and the first week of May (Daily Labor
Report, page A-11).

Women may be bringing home larger paychecks, but when it comes to earning
the really serious money -- wages of $1 million or more -- men far outnumber
them, as they did a generation ago.  Study results released recently by the
Internal Revenue Service, based on an extensive analysis of wages reported
by employers in 1998, show that men outnumber women in the $1 million-plus
category by more than 13 to 1. A similar pattern was found in the $500,000
to $1 million category. But in the $100,000 to $200,000 class, the ratio was
about 5 to 1; $75,000 to $100,000, 3 to 1; and $50,000 to $75,000, nearly 2
to 1.  It was not until wages were $25,000 to $30,000 that there were
roughly equal numbers of men and women, according to the I.R.S. report in
the winter 2001-2002 Statistics of Income Bulletin.  At wages of less than
$25,000, women outnumbered men,  accounting for 57.6 percent of the wage
earners in that category.  Three decades ago, women accounted for only 3
percent of students seeking an MBA degree, compared with about 30 percent
today, added June O'Neill, an economist at Baruch College and a former
director of the Congressional Budget Office. Fewer women make it to the top
because fewer women have set out from the start to make it to the top, she
said.  Ms. O'Neill said the predominance of women among low-wage earners
reflected decisions by many women to focus more on the family than on work
(The New York Times, May 12, Money  Business section, page 8). 

Corporate cost-cutting efforts have generally not affected the work and life
benefits that have become more widely offered over the last year, according
to a Hewitt Associates survey released May 13.  The survey of 945 U.S.
employers showed that nearly all work/life programs have experienced modest
growth over the last year.  Group purchasing programs and onsite personal
conveniences showed the most growth, the firm said. Survey findings
contradict a general assumption that companies often cut back on so-called
soft benefits when the economy turns down, said Hewitt work/life
consultant Carol Sladek (Daily Labor Report, page A-4).

DBM, an outplacement firm based in New York, said it recently 

RE: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Devine, James

Ulhas writes:Why does the world continue to accept debt payment in dollars?
I remember De
Gaulle refusing dollars and demanding payment in gold in '60s.

because the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world and in the era
since 1971-73, money based on political-military power has replaced money
based on precious metals. 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
 




Re: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Romain Kroes

Ulhas Joglekar wrote:

 Why does the world continue to accept debt payment in dollars? I remember
De
 Gaulle refusing dollars and demanding payment in gold in '60s.

During the second half of 19th century, England, because of her
systematically negative balance of trade, had invented the balance
sterling with wich she paid her debt with her debt. This system was
possible and well self-maintained, due to holders of these sharing parts of
the debt, who prefered to see their financial capital on the banks of
Thames, because England was then the metropolis of the capitalist world
system. But that was not irreversible, as sterling was convertible into gold
at a fixed parity.
Between the two World Wars, the Gold exchange standard advised nations not
to demand gold in payments, but balances in any kind of convertible
currency (convertible theoretically into gold).
After the second World War, the treaty of Bretton Woods has reduced the
previous Gold exchange standard to one bench currency: the dollar which
took on itself the convertibility of all convertible currencies into gold.
So that it was not necessary to demand gold in payment, as the gold of the
whole capitalist world system was more secured, sleeping within Fort-Knox.
Two reasons for such a belief. First, all convertible currencies were by
definition in a relationship of fixed parities. Second, due to European debt
toward the USA, the balance of trade of these latter was expected to be
positive.
In 1958, the currencies of Bretton Woods's system became, as planned,
convertible. But the USA's balance of trade had become negative.
Nevertheless, due to Cold War, the allies of the USA, that is the capitalist
world system, did not dare to demand gold payments from the metropolis and
their nuclear umbrella. Additionally, capitalist individuals and
corporations perfered to see their financial capital in Wall-Street. Between
1953 and 1958, the USA balanced their debt by only 18% in gold. De Gaulle
obliged Washington to increase this part to 48% between 1958 and 1962. After
what it was the relentless crisis of dollar. In 1971, president Nixon
unilaterally suspended, then abolished any kind of convertibility for the
dollar.
What was to be done, when the wold system of trade was based on dollar? The
only possibility of escaping such a trap is a consensus between a sufficient
huge number of nations, for do not putting themselves into debt in dollars
any more. You can see the level of the problem.

 US trade balance is negative, but not Japan's. What is the net balance for
 the metropolis, Japan and EU included?

European balance toward the USA, as Japan's, is positive. But European
balance toward the rest of the world, except the USA, is negative. In the
capitalist world system, there is a main metropolis and there are secondary
ones.

 How would Luxemburgism explain this phenomenon?

In this matter, Luxemburgism postulates an organic relationship between
imperialism and capital accumulation process. Current Globalization is
verifying it.

RK




Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Ulhas Joglekar

Devine, James:

 Ulhas writes:Why does the world continue to accept debt payment in
dollars?
 I remember De
 Gaulle refusing dollars and demanding payment in gold in '60s.

 because the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world and in the era
 since 1971-73, money based on political-military power has replaced money
 based on precious metals.

US is powerful, but there are limits to US power. (e.g. US has not been able
to capture Bin Laden 8 months after 9/11) US is the most powerful country
in the world, but this power has grown dramatically after the disintegration
of fSU. US power wasn't so all pervading in the 70s and 80s. e.g. India's
trade with the Soviet block (between 15-20% of India's foreign trade) was
entirely in Indian currency. US political- military power could do nothing
about it. Can US compel China to hold fx reserves in dollars, if China was
unwilling?

Yes, precious metals have been replaced by $. But, if Euro or Yen
were strong enough, the rest of the world would, perhaps, hold its reserves
or a portion of them, in those currencies?

Ulhas







Re: Re: self-interest vs class consciousness or pro -israel...

2002-05-15 Thread ScottH9999

Chris--

There are three issues we should not confuse: 
1) Who benefits from U.S. government actions?
2) Why does the U.S. do the things it does?
3) Which sections of the U.S. population support the actions of the 
government?

It seems to me the answer to 1) is that the principal beneficiary of all 
actions by the U.S. government is the bourgeoisie, the U.S. ruling class. It 
is also true that other classes in the U.S. benefit to some secondary degree 
from U.S. imperialism, both the so-called middle class and also substantial 
sections of the working class. Partly this is due to the ability of the 
bourgeoisie to make concessions to the workers (and others who might 
potentially theaten their stable rule) with a part of the loot they rip off 
from the rest of the world (oil and otherwise).

But in my opinion the U.S. ruling class, through its government, never does 
ANYTHING, at home or abroad, for the benefit of other classes in the U.S. 
unless it is something that it sees is necessary to do in order to serve its 
OWN interests. (Such as in order to keep things stable and under control in 
the home country.) That is, the answer to 2) is that the SOLE reason the U.S. 
government acts as it does is in order to serve the interests of the U.S. 
bourgeoisie.

With regard to 3), yes, large sections of other classes have been 
indoctrinated to support the ruling class' government. This is completely 
irrelevant to point 2), even granting that there is a partial material basis 
for such mass support.

The main point I was trying to make is that when we analyze things like this 
we should do so in class terms, and not simply talk about Americans in a 
classless way. Class interests are the key to understanding such events and 
actions even when the people involved have themselves little or no class 
consciousness.

People always have been the foolish victims of deception and self-deception 
in politics, and they always will be until they have learnt to seek out the 
INTERESTS of some class or other behind all moral, religious, political and 
social phrases, declarations and promises. --Lenin, The Three Sources and 
Three Component Parts of Marxism (1913).

--Scott Harrison



In a message dated 5/14/02 3:05:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Perhaps the ruling class is the principal beneficiary of the US support
  for Israel, but the middle-class and working class love those big suvs
  And some of them (the fundamentalist christians) see Israel as a bulwork
  against the dark satanic forces of Islam...Chris Niggle
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:02 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [PEN-L:25999] Re: self-interest rather than pro-israeli support
  drive US
  
  
  In a message dated 5/14/02 11:41:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   ...the primary aim of U.S. policy in the Middle East is U.S. dominance
  over 
the region and its oil resources, through support for regimes that play 
  our 
game and through our ever-increasing military presence...

...That reality is clear: The central principle of every U.S. 
administration since the end of World War II has been that the 
resources 
  of 
the region do not truly belong to the people of the region, but instead 
exist for the benefit of Americans

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0513-07.htm 

  
  Please! This should be but instead exist for the benefit of the American 
  RULING CLASS.
  
  We live in a society that is so class UNconscious, that even on the left
  this 
  is a problem.
  
  
  --Scott H.
  




Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Ulhas Joglekar

Romain Kroes wrote:

 Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
 How would Luxemburgism explain this phenomenon?

 In this matter, Luxemburgism postulates an organic relationship between
 imperialism and capital accumulation process. Current Globalization is
 verifying it.

My question was about the nature of this organic relationship in the
contemporary capitalism in concrete terms, as it impacts world's willingness
to accept dollars ?

Ulhas




Japan, as of April 2002

2002-05-15 Thread Ian Murray

http://www5.cao.go.jp/keizai3/getsurei-e/2002apr.html




RE: Re: Re: self-interest vs class consciousness or pro -israel...

2002-05-15 Thread Niggle, Christopher

Scott: I agree with you.  Chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:26018] Re: Re: self-interest vs class consciousness or
pro -israel...


Chris--

There are three issues we should not confuse: 
1) Who benefits from U.S. government actions?
2) Why does the U.S. do the things it does?
3) Which sections of the U.S. population support the actions of the 
government?

It seems to me the answer to 1) is that the principal beneficiary of all 
actions by the U.S. government is the bourgeoisie, the U.S. ruling class. It

is also true that other classes in the U.S. benefit to some secondary degree

from U.S. imperialism, both the so-called middle class and also
substantial 
sections of the working class. Partly this is due to the ability of the 
bourgeoisie to make concessions to the workers (and others who might 
potentially theaten their stable rule) with a part of the loot they rip off 
from the rest of the world (oil and otherwise).

But in my opinion the U.S. ruling class, through its government, never does 
ANYTHING, at home or abroad, for the benefit of other classes in the U.S. 
unless it is something that it sees is necessary to do in order to serve its

OWN interests. (Such as in order to keep things stable and under control in 
the home country.) That is, the answer to 2) is that the SOLE reason the
U.S. 
government acts as it does is in order to serve the interests of the U.S. 
bourgeoisie.

With regard to 3), yes, large sections of other classes have been 
indoctrinated to support the ruling class' government. This is completely 
irrelevant to point 2), even granting that there is a partial material basis

for such mass support.

The main point I was trying to make is that when we analyze things like this

we should do so in class terms, and not simply talk about Americans in a 
classless way. Class interests are the key to understanding such events and 
actions even when the people involved have themselves little or no class 
consciousness.

People always have been the foolish victims of deception and self-deception

in politics, and they always will be until they have learnt to seek out the 
INTERESTS of some class or other behind all moral, religious, political and 
social phrases, declarations and promises. --Lenin, The Three Sources and 
Three Component Parts of Marxism (1913).

--Scott Harrison



In a message dated 5/14/02 3:05:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Perhaps the ruling class is the principal beneficiary of the US support
  for Israel, but the middle-class and working class love those big
suvs
  And some of them (the fundamentalist christians) see Israel as a bulwork
  against the dark satanic forces of Islam...Chris Niggle
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:02 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [PEN-L:25999] Re: self-interest rather than pro-israeli support
  drive US
  
  
  In a message dated 5/14/02 11:41:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   ...the primary aim of U.S. policy in the Middle East is U.S. dominance
  over 
the region and its oil resources, through support for regimes that
play 
  our 
game and through our ever-increasing military presence...

...That reality is clear: The central principle of every U.S. 
administration since the end of World War II has been that the 
resources 
  of 
the region do not truly belong to the people of the region, but
instead 
exist for the benefit of Americans

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0513-07.htm 

  
  Please! This should be but instead exist for the benefit of the American

  RULING CLASS.
  
  We live in a society that is so class UNconscious, that even on the left
  this 
  is a problem.
  
  
  --Scott H.
  




RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Devine, James

This is something that pen-l has discussed a lot in the past, so I'm not
going to provide a full-scale reply. But, _of course_ their are limits to
U.S. power and I didn't say otherwise. And the fall of the USSR was crucial
to boosting the power of the US, so that the dollar is better seated as the
world currency than it was in the 1970s or 1980s. 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine



 -Original Message-
 From: Ulhas Joglekar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:36 PM
 To: pen-l
 Subject: [PEN-L:26017] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Protectionism US style
 
 
 Devine, James:
 
  Ulhas writes:Why does the world continue to accept debt payment in
 dollars?
  I remember De
  Gaulle refusing dollars and demanding payment in gold in '60s.
 
  because the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world 
 and in the era
  since 1971-73, money based on political-military power has 
 replaced money
  based on precious metals.
 
 US is powerful, but there are limits to US power. (e.g. US 
 has not been able
 to capture Bin Laden 8 months after 9/11) US is the most 
 powerful country
 in the world, but this power has grown dramatically after the 
 disintegration
 of fSU. US power wasn't so all pervading in the 70s and 80s. 
 e.g. India's
 trade with the Soviet block (between 15-20% of India's 
 foreign trade) was
 entirely in Indian currency. US political- military power 
 could do nothing
 about it. Can US compel China to hold fx reserves in dollars, 
 if China was
 unwilling?
 
 Yes, precious metals have been replaced by $. But, if Euro or Yen
 were strong enough, the rest of the world would, perhaps, 
 hold its reserves
 or a portion of them, in those currencies?
 
 Ulhas
 
 
 
 




Re: Re: Protectionism US style

2002-05-15 Thread Romain Kroes


 Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
 My question was about the nature of this organic relationship in the
 contemporary capitalism in concrete terms, as it impacts world's
willingness
 to accept dollars ?

 Ulhas

In the contemporary capitalism and in concrete terms, the Luxemburgist
relationship links the imperialist expansionism (Balkans, Agghanistan,
Georgia and soon Irak) with the necessities and the crises of the process of
accumulation (accumulation being exogenous in the Luxemburgist conception).
As for the willingness to accept dollar, it would be a choice, only if the
most of nations could rise up against the empire.
Yen has been high in relation to the dollar for a long time, because Japan
was by force the kind banker of the winner and in this quality obliged to
defend its currency against the dollar. Every time Japanese or European
central banks drop million dollars on the Open Market, to defend their
currency, they cancel graciously a quantum of American debt, due to the
status of dollar as the world account unit of debt.

RK




Carter's speech

2002-05-15 Thread Eugene Coyle

Why not call your local Spanish language TV station and ask when they
are going to broadcast Carter's speech?

Gene