Re: now you know
On Fri, 4 Aug 100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > NPR reports that civil libertarians give the Philly cops > high marks. Which "civil libertarians" ? -- Joseph Noonan Houston, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:11029] Re: RE: Bill Gates' space grenades
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Nathan Newman wrote: > > The revolutionary part of Teledesic's approach is that > traditional stationary satellites are so high up that delays > in transmission make them less useful for high-bandwidth > transmission like the Internet, This is not correct. It is not that they are no good because you can't get enough bandwidth (Satellite TV sprays an awful lot of bandwidth from high up geo-synchronous orbits), it is that the latency is so high that you can't get decent interactivity. You press a key and it takes a long time to go up and come back down at the ISP's land based server, although when the requested data is returned, it will come down very fast. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:8539] Re: Re: Re: Socialism, Social Democracy, Democracy
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Louis Proyect wrote: > Look, Doug. Let's cut the shit. You and I have nothing to talk about. You > are writing "critiques" of the Marxist left for the same rightwing > libertarian cult that publishes Ron Arnold, leader of the wise-use > movement. This is the same Ron Arnold that David Helvarg has accused of > inspiring armed attacks on Earth First! activists. Not only that, you > introduced Arnold to them. The Guardian newspaper in England and Lingua > Franca have sounded the alarm about this group, who some people speculate > is the beneficiary of a rightwing South African millionaire's largesse, > while others wonder about their ties to the cops. This is a neo-Larouchite > rag that promotes every disgusting corporate attack on the environment > under the sun, from Genetically Modified crops to nuclear power plants. So > just at the time that the entire left is mobilizing to put a > skull-and-bones over the magazine and warn people away, that is the time > you choose to allow them to reprint your LBO musings on the left and its > problems. You literally make me sick. > > Louis Proyect > For those of us not up on the diabolical machinations of crypto-facist Henwood, what publication are you talking about? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I think everybody knows (or should know) about x-ray crystallography -- I do."
[PEN-L:7659] Re: Re: query
On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Peter Dorman wrote: > One obvious thought: the ISP (all Yugo ISPs?) is without power. > > Peter > It'd be just as hard to bounce the mail w/o power as it would be to deliver it, doncha think? That "550 user unknown" is coming the sendmail on the machine that is trying to accept the mail. If the power was out (and there were no backup MX'ers up and running, or if there was some sort of connectivity blockade, you'd get a quite different message and it would not have come from a .yu machine. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution. -Emma Goldman
[PEN-L:3849] Re: Query
On Thu, 3 Jan 1980, Sam Pawlett wrote: > What is Larouche up to these days? > The Queen mother still the Queen pin of the world cocaine trade? Last I heard he was still in the federal pen for tax evasion, bank and credit card fraud. In 1992, during the prez. election, he ran these goofy ads on TV that characterized him as a political prisoner. > RSP > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:3559] Re: Password: $5
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, valis wrote: > > I thought it was wonderful when a Gulf War vet blew up that G-building > (though he could have proven the same point on a Sunday, when his victims > were in church praying for extended American hegemony and other heavenly > signs). McVeigh taught the big boys some manners, and when those manners > flag somewhat more than they already have there will be other teachers. Really? Which manners would those be? I only see the big boys using it as an excuse to further erode our civil rights and to support the barbaric practice of capital punishment. When did they start quaking in their jackboots? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:3515] Re: Racism at Microsoft
What bullshit. I first saw this a year or two ago and the joke was to type in "I'd like Bill Gates to die". If you type in "I'd like Joe Noonan to die", you get the same result. Isn't there enough racism to combat without manufacturing it? On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Louis Proyect wrote: > (This just popped up on the Marxism list. It is shockingly true.) > > And we thought we we gettin ahead--look what the programmers at Microsoft > programmed for this. This goes to show that even after several centuries we > still can't get rid of very ignorant people. If you have MS Word try it and > see what happens. I have seen several other examples of this including when > I have used the thesaurus while typing a paper. Please be very careful and > aware of this, even in this sophisticated age of technology, there are old > ideas funding and supporting this technology. > > You won't believe your eyes: > > 1. Go into MSWord > 2. Type: I'd like all niggers to die > 3. Highlight the sentence > 4. Go into the Tools - Language - Thesaurus > > I know you may not have MS Word but what happens is you get a message > saying," I'll drink to that." > > Lesson learned: Don't be fooled into thinking racism isn't alive and well- > it has just taken different form. I wonder if Bill Gates knows what his > programmers are up to, and have put into the system. > > NOW is the time to let him know! Pass it on!! > > > Louis Proyect > > (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html) > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:3106] Re: Petition
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > American Airlines is a major sponsor to and supporter of groups like: > GLADD, the Human Rights Campaign, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, > the AIDS Action Foundation, DIFFA, AmFAR, and scores of > community-based groups representing gays and lesbians. It is also the > first airline to adopt a written non-discrimination policy covering > sexual orientation in its employment practices. > Uh, this is pretty old, I saw it last summer. These things start floating around the 'net and take on a life of their own. How about writing in solidarity with the pilots who are doing their sick-out right now to protest American failing to live up to the contract requiring them to pay the pilots at recently aquired Reno Air the same that AA pilots are paid? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2891] Re: Re: Surrender, Dorothy.
On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Michael Perelman wrote: > We discussed this on pen-l some time ago. There is a literature on the > subject beginning with Littlefield, Henry. reprinted in 1983. "The Wizard > of Oz: Parable on Populism." in Michael Patrick Hearn, ed. The Wizard of > Oz (New York: Schocken Books). > One article was even published in the Journal of Political Economy: > Rockoff, Hugh. 1990. "The Wizard of Oz as a Monetary Allegory." Journal > of Political Economy, 98: 4 (August): pp. 739-60. > > Jim Devine even led us to the Baum Bugle, a paper devoted to Baum's work. > Don't forget the lyrics for the songs in the movie by Yip Harburg. The story is told in the book: Who Put the Rainbow in the Wizard of Oz? : Yip Harburg, Lyricist by Harold Meyerson, Ernie Harburg, Yip Harburg ISBN: 0472083120 I heard Amy Goodman interview Ernie Harburg (his son) about this book and his father. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2856] Re: Re: Elgin marbles, museums, etc.
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Sam Pawlett wrote: > Hitchens has a book on tyeh Elgin marbles doesn't he? > > SP > Yes he has. It is mentioned in the LF article which, coincidently, I just finished reading at lunch. It was re-issued by Verso in 1997. > Louis Proyect wrote: > > > This discussion about Andrew Mellon, Warhol, etc. reminds me of the article > > in the latest Lingua Franca on the Elgin Marbles, which are a frieze from > > the Parthenon that the British seized in the 19th century. The Greeks want > > it back, but the British refuse, implying that they knew how to take care > > of them better than the "dagoes". They claim that they have become part of > > British civilization and are powerful symbols of their ties to classical > > Athenian democracy. Ironically, Lord Elgin who supervised the theft > > destroyed their fine patina in the process of "cleaning" them. His wife > > wrote that she was revulsed by their treatment. > > > > I might just take a look at what Columbia University's libraries can turn > > up on the whole question of museums. Something tells me that these sorts of > > institutions should be dismantled after the capitalist system is > > overthrown, and the contents returned to the rightful owners. It will be > > part of a general move to genuine civilization, which will also include > > sandblasting Mount Rushmore. > > > > Louis Proyect > > > > (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html) > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2849] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Sam Pawlett wrote: > > Blade Runner! Galactic! The flame that burns twice as bright lasts half as long. > The original or the directors cut? I think the directors cut makes the fact that > Harrison Ford was an android more transparent.I don't think the dystopia of > Bladerunner is that fanciful. It contains a lot of great lines..its not easy to > meet your maker... > > Its too bad she won't live...but then again, who does? > > Sam Pawlett Has anybody both read the book (_Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ by P.K. Dick) and seen the movie? I've heard the movies slammed by some PK Dick fans so I haven't ever bothered to see it as I've read _Androids_. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2660] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: intern needed
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Doug Henwood wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >It is not age, Doug. It is power, the ultimate aphrodisiac as our > >fearless leader can attest. > > A few months ago, I was talking with a group of folks about Clinton and his > scandal, when one of the women there, who's not given to exuberant > outbursts, described seeing Clinton in person at the Denver G-7 summit. She > described him, with fervor in her eyes & voice, as "a furnace of sexual > energy." She repeated the phrase 2 or 3 times even. I think that's one of > the secrets of the guy's popularity. > > Doug > Just like Tina Brown, eh? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2435] Re: Re: SWM May Have Lied II
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, valis wrote: > Quoth Barkley Rosser: > > Hey! As someone who spends parts of his summers in > > Mad City, Wisconsin where the venerable (or should that be > > "venereal") _Onion_ is published, and has been reading > > since well before its recent internet fame, I gotta say > > that it is great. Don't knock it; laugh with it. > > I'm sure you went to school when the BS quotient rarely ran > higher than 10%, Barkley. This is a shamefully trashed > generation for whom the like of The Onion plays quite > a different role. I've already heard more than I can take. Which halcyon days would those of been? > > valis > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:2343] Re: Re: Re: 1998 Bad Writing Contest winners
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > that sounds like Robert Barsky's style ??? Who's Robert Barsky? The only one I know is an English Prof that wrote a bio of Chomsky. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:911] Re: Michael Meerpol's new book
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Michael Perelman wrote: > Now that the Democrats have managed to slide by without too much > damage from Clintons follies, I should remind you about a wonderful > new book from Michael Meerpol, Surrender: How the Clinton > Administration completed the Reagan Revolution. > > I am under the gun with a number of demands right now and do not > have time to write a decent review for you, but the book merits our > attention. Thank you Michael for originally bringing this to our attention. I ordered a copy from Amazon earlier this week and if it arrives by Friday, I'll read it over the weekend and try to write something up about it. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:886] Re: RE: Re: RE: Gore v. Bush?
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: > I would put a much more benign construction on these > two cases, namely that somewhere inside the Southern > white working class, Bible-thumper or otherwise, is a > constituency susceptible to left economic populism, and > the emergence of such a tendency would radically transform > U.S. (and world) politics. I don't disagree with this, in principle, I just see precious little evidence of it. A quick look back at history to the early part of this century shows that Knights of Labor, IWW, and Socialists had a meaningful presence in Southern / Western states. Even pseudo-populist Huey Long had better ideas that the most liberal Democrat does these days. > To appeal, however, such a > populism would have to forswear a number of currently > fashionable liberal and left hobby-horses. Which ones? > > MBS > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:877] Re: RE: Gore v. Bush?
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: > > Funny thing is, class seemed to play more in some > of the Southern Dem victories, and in some so-called > 'right-wing' democratic campaigns. The model is > the outgoing Georgia governor Zell Miller, who > was 'tough on crime' but used lottery proceeds > to subsidize higher education for lower-income > students. > > MBS According to my correspondent in Auburn, Ala, proposing using a lottery for higher ed bucks really helped the Demo (forget his name) to win there over the egregious theocrat Fob James. It seems if you dangle college tuition in front of even the most devout bible thumpers, they take the money and run. The funny thing is that James had a tough primary and if Blount had won the primary the Repups probably would have won the election. James had just gotten too weird and scary for many of the voters. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:833] Re: Re: Re: re striking UC TAs II
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Doug Henwood wrote: > valis wrote: > > >No, I hadn't, but thanx, though I still don't understand how the UAW and > >the grad unions can even relate as being in the same fight. > > The UAW wants to organize "knowledge workers." That's why they absorbed the > National Writers Union, why they represent the staff at the Village Voice, Is The Voice still refusing to acknowledge the union? > Barnard College, and, increasingly grad students too. Now if they could get > around to organizing all those nonunion auto parts plants in Ohio too > > Dog Did you know that spells "God" backwards? "Athiest dyslexics of the world unite -- you have nothing to lose but your Dogs!" > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:534] Re: Re: treason for sale
On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, valis wrote: > If you're NSA, suddenly buy a house for cash and show up at the office > in a Bentley, the Feds will examine lots more than just your tax returns. You give them entirely too much credit. They never that noticed Aldrich Ames was living in a $500,000 house on his $70,000/year salary. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:489] RE: "Nobel" prize in Econ.
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Picciotto, Sol wrote: > According to the Financial Times, the Nobel prize fund has been > badly hit by the plunging markets, so there may not be enough cash > in the pot to hand out. Maybe they should have a moratorium on the > Economics prize this year, as its previous winners seem to have > suffered a collision with reality. That would certainly be fun, but the Economics prize is funded by some Swiss bank(s), isn't it? I mean, it's not a *real* Nobel Prize, is it? Alfred didn't set it up and I don't believe his legacy pays for it. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:1444] Re: Last Message, How to Confront Holocaust Deniers
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Michael Craven wrote: > How to Confront Holocaust Deniers > > 3) Do not discuss only the Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust Unless you're trying to open a Holocaust museum in New York, in which case you'd better not mention anybody but Jews and certainly not homosexuals. > and/or deny that other Holocausts have occured as a) this will cause > you to lose credibility; b) feed into Nazi propaganda--past and > present--that Jews only care about themselves with very narrow > definitions of "What and Who is a Jew"; -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[There] is looming up a new and dark power; the enterprises of the country are aggregating vast corporate combinations of unexampled capital, boldly marching, not for economical conquests only, but for political power. The question will arise and arise in your day, though perhaps not fully in mine, which shall rule - wealth or man; which shall lead - money or intellect; who shall fill public stations - educated and patriotic freemen, or the feudal serfs of corporate capital" -- Edward G. Ryan, Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, in an address to the 1873 graduating class of the University of Wisconsin Law School
[PEN-L:1353] Re: RE: Market drops another 300 points
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: > > Make that 512 by 4 pm, when the markets closed. Ah, 512, 2^9. As a reformed assembly language programmer, I always have a warm spot in my heart for powers of 2. > > MBS > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the government doesn't like the people, why doesn't it dissolve them and elect a new people? --Brecht
[PEN-L:889] Re: Re: Re: a final word on cigs
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, James Devine wrote: > I also hope that no-one defends nose-picking (an activity that is blocked > by nose-rings, I believe). What are those of us without cell phones supposed to do on the freeway then? > in nasal solidarity, > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:874] Re: Re: Cigarettes Are Sublime
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, James Devine wrote: > My impression, based on a > woefully inadequate knowledge of anthropology and sociology, is that > teenage rebellion is a relatively new phenomenon, or rather that teenage > rebellion used to be channelled in other ways. My also woefully deficient knowledge of soc and anthro does contain the datum that "teenage" as a category is a recent development. What little I've read indicates that the "teenager" and "teen rebellion" were invented at about the same time -- in the '50's. > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. Archbishop Helder Camara
[PEN-L:850] Re: Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, James Michael Craven wrote: > > Who and what are "Sell-out Indians" is a subject for Indians not > non-Indians. Hmm. Then may I suggest that you refrain from using the term on list populated with mostly non-Indians? It doesn't seem terribly useful to throw around words that you are not willing to define -- especially when the term is used to derogate others. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:469] Re: Re: sociobiology
On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > > Stephen Jay Gould is presently engaged in an intellectual battle > against what he calls "Darwinian fundamentalism". This is not the > socio-biology of the mid-70s led by E.O.Wilson. It is a much > stronger, influential movement, which uses the latest concepts in > genetics to argue, with confindence and arrogance, that natural selection is > the key cause of evolution and of human behavior. They include > Dawkins, Dennett, and others. Gould counters them by insisting that Don't forget the hot young star, Stephen Pinker. Reading his stuff reminds me of Ayn Rand. > Darwin himself never said that evolution is explainable according to > a single factor like natural selection. This is what his theory of > "punctuated equilibria" is all about: evolution is mainly > characterized by stability with sudden, rapid modifications brought > about by accidental environmental happenings. > > Wilson now has these fundamentalists on his side, and himself > recently published a book arguing that all social phenomena is > ultimately explainable by biology. Some of you may have seen his > two articles in the Atlantic this last spring. His book is _Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge_ and the Atlantic articles are based on / excerpted from, the book. The articles were available on the web which is where I read them. > > ricardo > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. -Emma Goldman
[PEN-L:224] Re: Helms-Burton
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, James Devine wrote: > As pen-l people know, the US Helms-Burton act (the subject of a possible > treaty between the US and other rich contries) punishes those businesses > that invest in properties "illegally expropriated" from US citizens. If > this act actually is put into place, it seems to set a precedent for > punishing all those who invest in properties illegally expropriated from > the American Indians, i.e., based on broken treaties. A lot of us will have > to move. The Helms-Burton Act is not a treaty but a unilateral law that is already in place. Clinton has not enforced it but the law *is* on the books and the EU and Canada are not at all amused by it. > On a different topic, after my 12-day experience with jury duty, I find > myself agreeing with Alex Cockburn and others that juries are an important > democratic institution that need to be defended (and extended, as with the > Fully Informed Juror movement). The jurors I met were almost all very > common-sensical and I respected their opinions (even though I'm sure none > of them had ever heard of Hegel or Althusser). However, the voir dire > process failed to screen out one police officer (a "meter maid"); she > started with the assumption that anything the cops said was the absolute > truth. Anyway, it was a "hung" jury, voting 7 to 5 to acquit. The defendant > was accused of driving under the influence of alcohol, but it was unclear > that he was driving the vehicle. I've sat on one criminal jury when I was in grad school in New Orleans. I was easily the most educated person on the jury, but by no means the most qualified. We unanimously elected 60+ year old black man with a high school education to be our foreman. The accused was up for 4 counts of armed robbery. We unanimously convicted on 3 of the counts but on the fourth, the cop that testified on that count had obviously screwed up his investigation and tried to BS his way through his testimony. We voted 11-1 to acquit on that count. (In Louisiana you only need 10/12 to convict or acquit.) Like you, I came away with a better impression of the jury system than I went in with. All the jurors on my jury took their responsibility very seriously and decided the case based on what we heard in court. What is the Fully informed juror movement? Can you tell us more? > in pen-l solidarity, > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html > "It takes a busload of faith to get by." -- Lou Reed. Indeed it does, Lou. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. Archbishop Helder Camara
[PEN-L:206] Re: from SLATE magazine
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, James Devine wrote: > from SLATE magazine: >If you think conservative fiscal theorists are on > drugs, the WP's [Washington POST's] front page is a reminder that you are > at least sometimes right: It details how Lawrence Kudlow, a former Reagan > White House budget official and economics writer for the National Review, > is easing back into the policy life three years after hitting bottom as a > cocaine binger. < > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html Yes and he has a moralizing new tome called _American Abundance: The New Economic & Moral Prosperity_ that I saw him hawking on Bill Buckley's show a few months back. Bill couldn't have gotten his lips afixed more tightly to his butt if he tried. The guy is truly revolting. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:189] Re: pen-l format: removing the prefix from the subject line
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Barnet Wagman wrote: > Is it possible - without a lot of work - to remove the [PEN-L:xxx] prefix from the > subject line? > > The prefix (actually just the message number) screws up Netscape's threading, > which > makes reading a series of related comments much less convenient. > > Does anyone else feel this way? > > Thanks, > > Barnet Wagman > No. I like them and had been waiting until I had something else to say to thank Michael for getting that feature restored. I wasn't the one that complained about the feature being removed when the list moved a while back, but I sure like that it has been restored. $.02 -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:161] Re: Mark Jones on evaluating list members
On Thu, 21 May 1998, Mark Jones wrote: > Which edition of the Larousse are you looking at? > > Mark > > Paul Zarembka wrote: > > > > Mark Jones, If you are calling Jerry Levy "Un Ouanquere" (a word which > > does not happen to rise to the level of being in my Larousse French > > dictionary), Never mind arguing about dictionary editions, somebody please translate it for the unFrenched. thx, -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: riots?
On Fri, 1 May 1998, Doug Henwood wrote: > CNBC just ran a rather fevered but short report about May Day worker > "riots" in Europe and elsewhere. What's going on? > > Doug According to the BBC report I heard at 8:00 this morning there were riots in Liepzig when 6000 "leftists" went to counter-protest a nazi-ish group. They had 4000 cops out in anticipation of this and they hauling people away like crazy. It sounded like it got pretty ugly between the leftists and the cops. The cops prevented the two groups from coming in contact. Don't anything since this AM. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If the government doesn't like the people, why doesn't it dissolve them and elect a new people?" --Brecht
Re: Milwaukee distinction
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, valis wrote: > Michael Eisenscher recalled, in part: > > > its own sewage treatment plant to convert waste into organic fertilizer with > > the trade name Milorganite (I think that was it), which it sold to Wisconsin > > farmers. I may have some details wrong since it's been quite some time > > since I was there and haven't looked at that history since. > > With a certain and fortunately infrequent shift of wind, I'm sometimes > made amply aware that the Milorganite plant is cranking. Not a particularly > offensive odor, but maddeningly suggestive of this and that. Milorganite turns out not to be the miracle substance it once was touted as. It turns out that a lot of heavy metals, particularly cesium, end up in it and in turn end up spread on crops. I don't know if they ever solved this problem, but it was first noted 15 years ago. > I totally forgot about Hoan, possibly because he's neither alive (Zeidler) > nor immortalized by his grand gestures (Seidel). Well if you're near the Milorganite plant, you should be familiar with the Hoan bridge across Milwaukee's harber. The greatest bridge to nowhere ever built! (I've often wondered if it wasn't more an insult than an honor to name that stupid thing after him.) During the 70's, when it still wasn't connected to anything, the cops loved it for looking at people at Summerfest so they could bust them for smoking pot. > I pay little attention to local politics. The incumbent, colorless > John Norquist, is generally considered a pliant tool of big interests, > yet Milwaukee feels like a well-run city. Well I think that it's true that it is well run in an "infrastructure" sense. Culturally, I'm not sure I could live in that sort of place again. I'm informed recently, that the only remaining independent bookstore (unless you count the Barnes & Noble-ized Schwartz) is not doing well and may tank soon. That, for me, would be a terrible vacuum. Drive to Chicago or Madison just to go to a bookstore? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If the government doesn't like the people, why doesn't it dissolve them and elect a new people?" --Brecht
RE: New Yorker extinction
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > Milwaukee's socialist Mayor was Frank Zeidler in the > 1950s (amazing given that Joe McCarthy was a Senator from > the same state at the same time). Last I heard, Mr. > Zeidler was still alive and kicking, although quite aged. > He was known as a "sewer socialist" for his emphasis on > building up urban infrastructure. By most accounts, even > from those who were his ideological opponents, Zeidler was > a pretty good mayor. Don't forget Daniel Hoan who was the Socialist Party's mayor of Milwaukee from 1916-1940. (The last I heard Zeidler was alive and kicking, my brother that still lives in Milwaukee mentioned him recently.) -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. Archbishop Helder Camara
Re: query: bio & chem weapons
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, James Devine wrote: > Does the US currently have stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, > as far as anyone knows? Chemical, definitely. Including a bunch that they are slowly trying to destroy and are a major hazard just sitting there. Biological, I think, are officially denied and I know of no reportage to the contrary. > > in pen-l solidarity, > > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/1997F/ECON/jdevine.html > "A society is rich when material goods, including capital, are cheap, and > human beings dear." -- R.H. Tawney. > > > -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[There] is looming up a new and dark power; the enterprises of the country are aggregating vast corporate combinations of unexampled capital, boldly marching, not for economical conquests only, but for political power. The question will arise and arise in your day, though perhaps not fully in mine, which shall rule - wealth or man; which shall lead - money or intellect; who shall fill public stations - educated and patriotic freemen, or the feudal serfs of corporate capital" -- Edward G. Ryan, Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, in an address to the 1873 graduating class of the University of Wisconsin Law School
Re: Tom Michl
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, James Devine wrote: > does anyone know Tom Michl's e-mail address? It can't be > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (what I had in my records), since as far as I know, > bitnet was phased out. > > thanks ahead of time. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://clawww.lmu.edu/1997F/ECON/jdevine.html > "A society is rich when material goods, including capital, are cheap, and > human beings dear." -- R.H. Tawney. You are correct, BITNET is dead. His new address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:12372] 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Statistics Comm
Does anyone know if this is good, bad, or indifferent? Has she commented on the push to change the CPI? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- SEND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INFORMATION TO The White House at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This information is posted for public education/information purposes. It does not necessarily represent the views of The College.) THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ___ For Immediate ReleaseSeptember 12, 1997 PRESIDENT CLINTON NAMES KATHARINE G. ABRAHAM AS COMMISSIONER OF THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR President Clinton today announced his intent to nominate Katharine G. Abraham to serve a second term as Commissioner of Labor Statistics at the Department of Labor. Ms. Abraham, of Iowa, has served since 1993 as the Commissioner of Labor Statistics at the Department of Labor, where she oversees the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Concurrently, Ms. Abraham is a professor of economics at the University of Maryland. In addition, she has served as a Research Associate at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., and as an assistant professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Sloan School of Management. Ms. Abraham received a B.S. from Iowa State University and a Ph.D. from Harvard University. The Bureau of Labor Statistics is the Federal agency responsible for gathering data relating to the broad field of labor economics. Information regarding the labor force, wage levels, prices, and productivity is collected, processed, analyzed, and then released to the public by the Bureau, which strives to keep its data accurate, timely, and relevant. -30-30-30-
[PEN-L:12279] Chilian Soc. Sec. reform
Can somebody give me a quick (online) reference to some stuff about the privatization of Social Security in Chile? I know I've got some stuff at home, but I want to reply to a query I got elsewhere now. Thanks. -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:11716] Re: UPS
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Ellen R Shaffer wrote: > > By the way, on the issue of putting the strike to a vote: has UPS asked > its shareholders what they think? Do institutional investors still exist > out there? On this point I am curious. Who are UPS's shareholders? I've read more than once that UPS is privately held. (So how does anybody but its shareholders and bankers know how much money they made last year -- I keep hearing $1 billion.) Today on _Marketplace_, a PRI distributed and USC produced financial radio show, I heard an obviously pro management commentator assert that because of the "substantial" (no estimate given) share of UPS that its employees own that the strike would be over soon. Who owns UPS? How much does labor own? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:11653] Re:
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, William S. Lear wrote: > On Wed, August 6, 1997 at 22:45:28 (-0700) Michael Eisenscher writes: > >Houston Police Announce "Zero Tolerance" for Management-Driven UPS Trucks > > > >Houston police officers, members of the Houston Police Patrolmen's Union, > >announced today that they would be on the lookout for UPS trucks driven by > >management personnel and would pull them over for any violations. "Once the > >HPPU member gets the vehicle stopped they are instructed to go into a 'zero > >tolerance' mode and cite each and every violation of the law they find," the > >union said in a statement. > > I'm all for the UPS workers in this one, but does this last part > bother anybody else? I live outside of Houston and driving in to work this morning I heard about this. There are something like 7 or 8 police unions in Houston. The union that made this statement (they reportedly faxed it to every station and sub-station) is one of the smaller ones. The biggest union has denounced it. The local wrong-wing talk radio host is using it as one more thing to beat up on unions with. (He's been dragging out all the old pre-federal intervention corruption at the Teamsters and talking about it as though it was news from last week.) And yes, I do think it's a nasty little idea. But also a somewhat amusing one. I used to mop floors at UPS and they are fanatical about their trucks being in perfect repair and completely street legal. Pulling over the truck and inspecting it is not likely to yield anything. I have noticed, however, that Houston is the only place I've ever lived where UPS drivers speed and weave in and out of lanes. Then again, most Houstonians drive very aggressively. Go Teamsters! -joe -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:11066] Re: Nike hullaballoo in Vietnam
On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you read all of Young's comments, he never addresses the core of the > issue--the wages paid do not purchase any reasonable standard of living. > maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I heard a brief interview with him on NPR's _Morning Edition_ last week and he used the excuse (and I nearly quote) "I'm not an economist; so I couldn't evaluate that". -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
