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Michael Pearlman wrote: The web site where I found these lyrics credits Jaime Brockett and Chris Smithers (a couple of 1960's Boston folkies) for the song, so don't blame Leadbelly for the gratuitous anti-Semitism. The Legend of the USS Titanic ORACLE ORS 701 - A Boston 1968 Tape Factory Oracle records It was back around the turn of the centuries, back around nineteen hundred'n thirteen there was a negro pugilist his name was Jack Johnson. Now old Jack Johnson he was the toughest man in the whole wide world he used walk around ... I picked up this info on Leadbelly's "Titanic" from the rec.music.folk newsgroup: "Folk Blues" by Jerry Silverman, has the song "Titanic", credited to Leadbelly, (on p. 149). He notes: "Nineteen hundred and twelve--Blind Lemon Jefferson and myself used to do this...Jack Johnson was a prizefighter at the time. he whipped Jim Jeffries...It's the first number I learned to play on the twelve-string guitar--ninteen-twelve. I could play it on the six but you had to get your twelve and get your mind together..." TITANIC It was midnight on the sea, Band playin' "Nearer My God to Thee" Cryin Fare thee, Titanic fare the well (Repeat each half-verse twice) Titanic when it got its load, Captail hollered, "All aboard: Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) Jack Johnson want to get on board, Captain said, "I ain't hauling no coal," Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) Titanic was comin 'round the curve, When she ran in to a big iceberg, Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) Titanic was sinkin' down, Had lifeboats all around Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) Had them lifeboats all around, Savin the women and children, lettin' men go down, Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) Jack Johnson heard the mighty shock Might 'a seen him doin' the Eagle Rock Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) When the women and children got to land, Crying "Lord have mercy on my man," Cryin' Fare thee, Titanic fare thee well. (x2) THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST James M. Cullen, Editor P.O. Box 150517, Austin, Texas 78715-0517 Phone: 512-447-0455 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://www.eden.com/~reporter
Re: Extra Credit Assignment
The web site where I found these lyrics credits Jaime Brockett and Chris Smithers (a couple of 1960's Boston folkies) for the song, so don't blame Leadbelly for the gratuitous anti-Semitism. The Legend of the USS Titanic ORACLE ORS 701 - A Boston 1968 Tape Factory Oracle records It was back around the turn of the centuries, back around nineteen hundred'n thirteen there was a negro pugilist his name was Jack Johnson. Now old Jack Johnson he was the toughest man in the whole wide world he used walk around whoppin' people up side the head 'n makin' all sorts of money. Like I say ol' Jack Johnson he was a pugilist, he was a pugilist by preference and by profession and one day ol' Jack came walkin' on down by the pierside he's just walkin on down his manager come walkin' on down by the pierside he says uh hi Jack he says hi manager he says whatcha doin' he says I'm just walkin' on down by the pierside. He says what's up he says I gotta gig for ya he says ya gotta gig for me he says that's right he says where abouts he says over in England he says hmm... what'm I gonna do over there he says well you goin' up n' whop this guy up side the head n' make all sorts of money. Ol' Jack says that's groovy baby that's really groovy you give me a ticket on the next flight out he said ticket on the next flight out this is nineteen hundred n' thirteen why the Wright brothers haven't even started foolin' around in Kitty Hawk yet he said uhh.. who's she? It was midnight on the sea, the band was playing "Nearer my God to Thee". Fare thee well Titanic, fare thee well. Ol' Jack says well how'm I gonna get there baby n' he says ohhh I'm gonna show ya and he whips open a newspaper n' shows him a picture of the USS Titanic folks she's the world's biggest ship she's made outta good wood and good iron they said she'd never go down. He says you mean I'm goin' over on the boat n' he says that's right baby you're goin on the boat n' he says well, let's go get some tickets so they head on down to the ticket taker's place. He walks on up to the ticket taker he walks on in n' he says hey man I wanna buy me some tickets he said " gotta red ticket green ticket yellow ticket blue ticket what kinda ticket you want?" he says I wanna red one he gave him some loot n' he laid it on him. See here's ol' Jack he's got his ticket now he takes everything he owns he wraps it on up in a diaper n' he hangs it on a stick over his back n' goes headin' on down by the pierside. He gettin' on down by the pierside his manager's down there by the pierside n' here she is folks the USS Titanic she's lined up beside two hundred n' fifty parkin' meters the Captain's gettin' done ready to split 'cause he run outta dimes. Now around this time there was an Italian senator n' the state house n' all Italian senators done got brothers own construction companies n' this one had a brother he owned a construction company n' a Titanic she was made outta good Italian wood, good Italian iron they said she'd never go down. So there's ol' Jack standin' on the bottom got everything he owns wrapped on up in that diaper hangin' on a stick over his back. He shakes hands with his manager goes walkin' on up the gangplank the Captain standin' on the tarp. He get up onto the tarp n' the Captain he look at the ticket, he look at the ticket he look at Jack, he look at the ticket he look at Jack, he look at the ticket he look at Jack, he look at the ticket he look at Jack, lookita he says sorry baby wrong color he says me or the ticket n' he says you. Now he wouldn't let Jack Johnson on board he said this ship don't haul no coal. Fare thee well Titanic, fare thee well. It was midnight on the sea, the band was playin' "Nearer my God to Thee". Fare thee well Titanic, fare thee well. So Jack say's it's all right baby it's all right I'm gonna sit right here on the pier and watch you go right on down. So the Titanic she sails on out into the North sea she's out there floatin' around in and out between the ice bergs n' ol' Jack's standin' on the pier. I gotta tell ya 'bout the people on the Titanic now first of all there's a whole bunch of Jewish people from Miami they jumpin' up n' down they laughin' they drinkin' booze they tradin' wives n' Cadillacs n' diamonds n' havin' all sorts of good clean party fun. Then there was the people around the boat now the people around the boat they know all about runnin' boats they know all about hoistin' up land lubbers n' battenin' down hatches n' doin' all sorts of other good things like... all good sailors do in their far away scenes. Then there was the Captain, now the Captain he knows how to walk like a captain, write like a captain, walk like a captain, talk like a captain, smell like a captain, eat like a captain, do all sorts of captain things. Then there was the first mate, now I gotta tell ya bout the first mate, now the first
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I believe it was Jonathan Edwards, the Boston-area folkie (not colonial-era preacher) who penned a song about Jack Johnson and the Titanic. If I remember correctly, there were some nasty lines about Jews in the song, but on that I could be wrong. Otherwise, it was a catchy song. Robert Saute [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, J Cullen wrote: I believe there was a blues/gospel song about the sinking of the Titanic. Supposedly Jack Johnson was refused a fare on the Titanic by the owner who said "This ship doesn't haul coal." One important aspect of the Titanic disaster not mentioned in the film or on the list: The White Star Line made a particular point of not hiring any Black workers, even porters or coal stokers, who were common on other steamships. The sinking was celebrated in African-American communities as an act of retribution, probably one of the first examples of what now might been called the "O.J. Simpson phenomenon." there was an old song by Leadbelly, and a more recent one by Sparky Rucker. Neither mentioned Jews, as far as I can recall. Also, the White Star Line wouldn't hire Catholics to work on constructing the ship, even though it was built in Dublin. Tom Wood
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I believe it was Jonathan Edwards, the Boston-area folkie (not colonial-era preacher) who penned a song about Jack Johnson and the Titanic. If I remember correctly, there were some nasty lines about Jews in the song, but on that I could be wrong. Otherwise, it was a catchy song. Robert Saute [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, J Cullen wrote: I believe there was a blues/gospel song about the sinking of the Titanic. Supposedly Jack Johnson was refused a fare on the Titanic by the owner who said "This ship doesn't haul coal." One important aspect of the Titanic disaster not mentioned in the film or on the list: The White Star Line made a particular point of not hiring any Black workers, even porters or coal stokers, who were common on other steamships. The sinking was celebrated in African-American communities as an act of retribution, probably one of the first examples of what now might been called the "O.J. Simpson phenomenon." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael Pearlman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.R. Masterman School [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17th and Spring Garden Sts.fax: (215) 299-3581 Philadelphia PA 19130phone: (215) 299-3583 (215) 299-3583/299-4661 Money for Schools, not Prisons!Hasta la victoria siempre! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST James M. Cullen, Editor P.O. Box 150517, Austin, Texas 78715-0517 Phone: 512-447-0455 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://www.eden.com/~reporter
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I believe there was a blues/gospel song about the sinking of the Titanic. Supposedly Jack Johnson was refused a fare on the Titanic by the owner who said "This ship doesn't haul coal." One important aspect of the Titanic disaster not mentioned in the film or on the list: The White Star Line made a particular point of not hiring any Black workers, even porters or coal stokers, who were common on other steamships. The sinking was celebrated in African-American communities as an act of retribution, probably one of the first examples of what now might been called the "O.J. Simpson phenomenon." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael Pearlman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.R. Masterman School [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17th and Spring Garden Sts.fax: (215) 299-3581 Philadelphia PA 19130phone: (215) 299-3583 (215) 299-3583/299-4661 Money for Schools, not Prisons!Hasta la victoria siempre! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST James M. Cullen, Editor P.O. Box 150517, Austin, Texas 78715-0517 Phone: 512-447-0455 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://www.eden.com/~reporter
Re: Extra Credit Assignment
Date sent: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:06:27 -0500 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michael Pearlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Extra Credit Assignment One important aspect of the Titanic disaster not mentioned in the film or on the list: The White Star Line made a particular point of not hiring any Black workers, even porters or coal stokers, who were common on other steamships. The sinking was celebrated in African-American communities as an act of retribution, probably one of the first examples of what now might been called the "O.J. Simpson phenomenon." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael Pearlman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.R. Masterman School [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17th and Spring Garden Sts.fax: (215) 299-3581 Philadelphia PA 19130phone: (215) 299-3583 (215) 299-3583/299-4661 Money for Schools, not Prisons!Hasta la victoria siempre! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael, Thanks for this one. I'll be sure to raise it in class. I've been sharing the responses on the list with my class and linking the concepts with "mainstream" and "heterodox" theory and they seem to be really getting into it. Sure beats some dry calculus of "optimization". Jim Craven *---* * "Let me be a free man, free to travel * * James Craven free to stop, free to work, free to * * Dept of Economics trade where I choose, free to choose * * Clark College my own teachers, free to follow the * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. religion of my fathers, free to talk, * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 think and act for myself--and I will * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] obey every law or submit to the * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)penalty." * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) (In-mut-too-yah-lat-lat "Chief Joseph"* * of the Nez Perce) A.I.M. Credo * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
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One important aspect of the Titanic disaster not mentioned in the film or on the list: The White Star Line made a particular point of not hiring any Black workers, even porters or coal stokers, who were common on other steamships. The sinking was celebrated in African-American communities as an act of retribution, probably one of the first examples of what now might been called the "O.J. Simpson phenomenon." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael Pearlman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.R. Masterman School [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17th and Spring Garden Sts.fax: (215) 299-3581 Philadelphia PA 19130phone: (215) 299-3583 (215) 299-3583/299-4661 Money for Schools, not Prisons!Hasta la victoria siempre! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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Rob Schaap, replying to Jim Craven, wrote: .. 5) The Titanic was a commodity, produced with exchange in mind, and therefore had to be pretty. Sufficient lifeboats for projected passenger manifests would have broken the commodity's seductive lines (apparently true, the designer actually removed the necessary lifeboats from the initial plan - it's in his notebook). A triumph of exchange value over use value? 6) Once the integument is burst asunder (the hull), nothing can stop the sheer weight of the vast excluded (the water as prols; ... Hey wow, the Delegate of Oz really does it up proud here with Titanic, but my own suggestion was that there must be an abundance of flicks amenable to this glorious subversion.^^ I don't see many movies, but maybe others will start a fun thread of candidate works. valis
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Haven't seen the film... Right, and won't be able to for another month or two. And when it does come to Bolivia, chances are I'll see it in the bootleg video store first. Each time around, the news comes late, and with a different message. Tom Tom Kruse / Casilla 5812 / Cochabamba, Bolivia Tel/Fax: (591-42) 48242 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At a Hearing in Phoenix held by the Arizona Corporation Commission on Tuesday the 10th, a witness, being paid $600 per hour, said something about passengers on the Titanic selecting life boats to coordinate with some color scheme. Later in the day a Commissioner said something close to this: "Another $600 an hour attorney, who bills $600 an hour all day, every day, and who could be in this room, saw the film and missed the point that some steerage passengers were kept from the lifeboats by the crew weiolding revolvers." How's that for class unconsciousness?
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What a lovely idea, Jim! Haven't seen the film, but here are a couple of sickeners: 5) The Titanic was a commodity, produced with exchange in mind, and therefore had to be pretty. Sufficient lifeboats for projected passenger manifests would have broken the commodity's seductive lines (apparently true, the designer actually removed the necessary lifeboats from the initial plan - it's in his notebook). A triumph of exchange value over use value? 6) Once the integument is burst asunder (the hull), nothing can stop the sheer weight of the vast excluded (the water as prols; the bulwarks as seemingly invulnerable 'trenches and fortifications of the bourgeoisie')) from sinking those who would ride upon their backs (as the sea reclaims its dues, the expropriators are expropriated). 7) It was that virtuous thing, competition, that made Titanic sink. The trans-Atlantic blue riband is capitalism in microcosm, and but for this competition, the Titanic would have been a few miles south, travelling at a few knots less. 8) The watchman saw the berg and warned the bridge, but the captain could do nought. As the mass of the ship and the energy of the coal were beyond the skipper's whim, so is capitalism's historical trajectory beyond the control of the capitalist. I better stop - I'm losing my grip. Cheers, Rob. Rob Schaap, Lecturer in Communication, University of Canberra, Australia. Phone: 02-6201 2194 (BH) Fax:02-6201 5119 'It is questionable if all the mechanical inventions yet made have lightened the day's toil of any human being.'(John Stuart Mill) "The separation of public works from the state, and their migration into the domain of the works undertaken by capital itself, indicates the degree to which the real community has constituted itself in the form of capital."(Karl Marx)
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Date sent: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:14:08 +1100 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Extra Credit Assignment What a lovely idea, Jim! Haven't seen the film, but here are a couple of sickeners: 5) The Titanic was a commodity, produced with exchange in mind, and therefore had to be pretty. Sufficient lifeboats for projected passenger manifests would have broken the commodity's seductive lines (apparently true, the designer actually removed the necessary lifeboats from the initial plan - it's in his notebook). A triumph of exchange value over use value? 6) Once the integument is burst asunder (the hull), nothing can stop the sheer weight of the vast excluded (the water as prols; the bulwarks as seemingly invulnerable 'trenches and fortifications of the bourgeoisie')) from sinking those who would ride upon their backs (as the sea reclaims its dues, the expropriators are expropriated). 7) It was that virtuous thing, competition, that made Titanic sink. The trans-Atlantic blue riband is capitalism in microcosm, and but for this competition, the Titanic would have been a few miles south, travelling at a few knots less. 8) The watchman saw the berg and warned the bridge, but the captain could do nought. As the mass of the ship and the energy of the coal were beyond the skipper's whim, so is capitalism's historical trajectory beyond the control of the capitalist. I better stop - I'm losing my grip. Cheers, Rob. Rob Schaap, Lecturer in Communication, University of Canberra, Australia. Phone: 02-6201 2194 (BH) Fax:02-6201 5119 'It is questionable if all the mechanical inventions yet made have lightened the day's toil of any human being.'(John Stuart Mill) "The separation of public works from the state, and their migration into the domain of the works undertaken by capital itself, indicates the degree to which the real community has constituted itself in the form of capital."(Karl Marx) Response: Wonderful prose and excellent critical thinking. I just hope my students do as well. Perhaps add the whole surreal carnival atmosphere ,frivolity and self-indulgent/centered narcissism among the ultra- rich as they were headed directly toward a date with destiny while thinking they were making another kind of history (passengers on the first voyage of the unsinkable). Shit, now I'm getting carried away. Jim *---* * "Let me be a free man, free to travel * * James Craven free to stop, free to work, free to * * Dept of Economics trade where I choose, free to choose * * Clark College my own teachers, free to follow the * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. religion of my fathers, free to talk, * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 think and act for myself--and I will * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] obey every law or submit to the * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)penalty." * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) (In-mut-too-yah-lat-lat "Chief Joseph"* * of the Nez Perce) A.I.M. Credo * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
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James Michael Craven wrote: 5) Add here Titanic was White Star, a Morgan line, right? You can never go wrong bringing in J.P. Morgan. Doug
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James Michael Craven wrote: For my classes in which there are some who have had a problem demonstrating "command of the subjects" through the usual examination modalities, I have given the following extra-credit assignment: "The central concerns of 'Mainstream Economics' are seen by some as analogous to concern with 'the optimum arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.'See the movie "Titanic" and list/discuss/support ten scenes, symbols, concepts or passages from the movie that represent or could be seen as metaphors for aspects of the essence (inner-logic, class structure, core institutions, power relations, contradictions dynamics, etc) of capitalism." This is a nifty idea that should be expanded. With a generation that seems unable to read two consecutive sentences, that was born with a remote tuner in hand and a video store down the block, this might indeed be the way for a teacher to go. valis
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Date sent: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:31:33 -0600 (CST) Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: valis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Extra Credit Assignment James Michael Craven wrote: For my classes in which there are some who have had a problem demonstrating "command of the subjects" through the usual examination modalities, I have given the following extra-credit assignment: "The central concerns of 'Mainstream Economics' are seen by some as analogous to concern with 'the optimum arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.'See the movie "Titanic" and list/discuss/support ten scenes, symbols, concepts or passages from the movie that represent or could be seen as metaphors for aspects of the essence (inner-logic, class structure, core institutions, power relations, contradictions dynamics, etc) of capitalism." This is a nifty idea that should be expanded. With a generation that seems unable to read two consecutive sentences, that was born with a remote tuner in hand and a video store down the block, this might indeed be the way for a teacher to go. valis Thanks for the vote of confidence. Examples of what I am looking for include: 1) Titanic was sunk by a very small initial tear in the hull; because of the profit imperative and the imperative to minimize total costs, the quality of the welding and riveting was poor and the initial small tear caused pressure differentials that widened the small tear; 2) The arrogance of those commanding "the unsinkable" pushing the ship through dangerous waters impervious to the trajectory and looming dangers; 3) The class system of the system manifested on board with the poor in steerage and the rich with easier access to the life boats and comfy conditions; 4) Many of the rich drowned anyway due to not believing that the ship could sink and remained on board with their illusions until their death 5) Add here Jim Craven *---* * "Let me be a free man, free to travel * * James Craven free to stop, free to work, free to * * Dept of Economics trade where I choose, free to choose * * Clark College my own teachers, free to follow the * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. religion of my fathers, free to talk, * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 think and act for myself--and I will * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] obey every law or submit to the * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)penalty." * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) (In-mut-too-yah-lat-lat "Chief Joseph"* * of the Nez Perce) A.I.M. Credo * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
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For my classes in which there are some who have had a problem demonstrating "command of the subjects" through the usual examination modalities, I have given the following extra-credit assignment: "The central concerns of 'Mainstream Economics' are seen by some as analogous to concern with 'the optimum arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic.'See the movie "Titanic" and list/discuss/support ten scenes, symbols, concepts or passages from the movie that represent or could be seen as metaphors for aspects of the essence (inner-logic, class structure, core institutions, power relations, contradictions dynamics, etc) of capitalism." *---* * "Let me be a free man, free to travel * * James Craven free to stop, free to work, free to * * Dept of Economics trade where I choose, free to choose * * Clark College my own teachers, free to follow the * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. religion of my fathers, free to talk, * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 think and act for myself--and I will * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] obey every law or submit to the * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)penalty." * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) (In-mut-too-yah-lat-lat "Chief Joseph"* * of the Nez Perce) A.I.M. Credo * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
