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duly noted, but they link to the White House, the Fed, NBER, and Brookings. and they don't link to EPI or any other left thing. not good. mbs s rollins college/winter park florida, six member dept includes: charles rock eric schutz (who was - and may still be - on pen-l, check out his 2001 book 'markets and power: 21st century command economy') kenna taylor michael hoover
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Dear Colleagues, Regarding the discussion about heterodox and heterodox departments, I have two comments. 1. The term heterodox in heterodox economics is an umbrella term to cover Post Keynesian, Marxist, Institutionalist, radical, social, feminist, and Georgist (and others) economics and economists. No other collective term exists that can do this; and I should note that this is all the term means. The Association for Heterodox Economics (www.hetecon.com) is a current working example of heterodox in action. While many economists grumble about the word, I find that those most set against it object to community implication of heterodox. To be a heterodox economist means that you are part of a community of heterodox economists, whether they be Post Keynesian, Marxist, etc. And while there are differencies in terms of theory and policy among heterodox economists, they are minor compared to what they have in common. 2. The issue of prestigous economics departments and heterodox economists, I would add to Professor Henwood's comment that it has been the policy of most all of the prestige departments to not hire heterodox economists; and it has been the policy of all orthodox economists to exclude heterodox economists from academia. Thus the real question is not why there are no heterodox economic departments at prestigous universities; rather the question is, given the explicit repression of heterodox economists for the last 100 years, why do heterodox economists still exist. It is our current existence that really needs to be accounted for. Finally, as for those prestigous departments all of which have engaged in intellectual cleansing, I do not consider them prestigous at all and certainly do not think that the economists in those departments are any better than the heterodox economists I associate with and/or in my department at UMKC. Fred Lee
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Devine, James wrote: The reason for the last qualification is that the University of Chicago school of economics has especially low standards. A lot of their math isn't virtuous at all. I heard this story recently from a Chicago grad student. The day Pinochet was arrested, a U of C economist was discovered busily scribbling in the library. Visibly agitated, he explained that he was devising a model showing that the additional risk of arrest in the future would discourage political figures from taking necessary reform measures. Doug
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- Original Message - From: Lee, Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would add to Professor Henwood's comment that it has been the policy of most all of the prestige departments to not hire heterodox economists Ok Doug 'fess up, what invisible college are you affiliated with? Ian
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Considering the last moments of Allende's life with his holding ( if not firing ) an AK-47 at the fascists, perhaps the gun ownership position ( and its virtuous math ) of the later writings of U of C's John Lott: where More Guns, Less Crime might also be invoked. Truly a synthesis of U of C's Law and Economics philosophies. - Original Message - From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [PEN-L:25988] Re: RE: Hetero Depts Devine, James wrote: The reason for the last qualification is that the University of Chicago school of economics has especially low standards. A lot of their math isn't virtuous at all. I heard this story recently from a Chicago grad student. The day Pinochet was arrested, a U of C economist was discovered busily scribbling in the library. Visibly agitated, he explained that he was devising a model showing that the additional risk of arrest in the future would discourage political figures from taking necessary reform measures. Doug
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What about economic geography departments? Minnesota-Twin Cities has some pretty serious economic geographers of a heterodox persuasion, such as Eric Sheppard, for instance. Mark At 21:17 12/05/02 -0700, you wrote: Emmanuel College, where Ellen Frank teaches. Forstater, Mathew wrote: University of Southern Maine If you are including smaller undergrad schools: Franklin and Marshall College Dickinson College (University?) (both in Penna.) There are lots more little ones. Dr. Mark Laffey Department of Political Studies School of Oriental and African Studies University of London Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H OXG 0171 898 4744 (w) 0117 969 8438 (h) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Max - I don't beleive Tufts has a heterodox department (though the university does house the global development and environment program). Dickinson also does not have a heterodox dept; Matt is probably thinking of Drew University in PA -- where Tom Dickins teaches. As long as you're considering undergrad programs, Simmons College in Boston has a nice mix of faculty as does Mount Holyoke. I personally hate the word heterodox. How about inclusive, open-minded, free-thinking? Ellen
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Ellen writes: I personally hate the word heterodox. How about inclusive, open-minded, free-thinking? I don't like the term heterodox either, but at least it implies that the hegemonic neoclassical school is what it is, i.e., orthodox. But how about hegemonic vs. insurgent schools of economics? JD
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Sabri writes: Why is it that Ellen Frank or Jim Devine or Eugene Coyle don't get jobs at, say, UC Berkeley, for example? Is it because they are dumber than some dumb but mathematically savvy people I know there? heck, I don't want a job at UCB. Too much emphasis on research! I like to have my teaching and research cross-pollinate each other... JD
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Dickinson College in Carlisle PA, has a Marxist (Sinan Koont, phd from UMass-Amherst), a neo-Marxists/radical political economist (Chuck Barone, Phd from American) an institutionalist (Gordon Bergsten, Phd from UCB), and a non-neoclassical Austrian (Bill Bellinger). Their visiting people are usually from UMass (in recent years George DeMartino and Ted Burczak) or George Mason or American. Maybe their recent environmental economist is mainstream, but as a dept, they are pretty non-orthodox. By the way, on the terminology, someone on the PKT list suggested that orthodox is actually a misnomer, better thought of as homodox. UMKC often uses Pluralistic instead of heterodox. -Original Message- From: Ellen Frank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25946] Re: Re: RE: Hetero Depts Max - I don't beleive Tufts has a heterodox department (though the university does house the global development and environment program). Dickinson also does not have a heterodox dept; Matt is probably thinking of Drew University in PA -- where Tom Dickins teaches. As long as you're considering undergrad programs, Simmons College in Boston has a nice mix of faculty as does Mount Holyoke. I personally hate the word heterodox. How about inclusive, open-minded, free-thinking? Ellen
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Cal State San Bernardino has Nancy Rose, Mayo Torunyo, Eric Nilsson (on pen-l I believe). Listen, one hetero economist does not a hetero dept make. That's called a marginalized token. I say either there has to be a concentration of non-mainstream people (not all, maybe not even half, but a concentration of them) and/or the curriculum has to actually include alternative traditions.
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Sorry, sent my note before I saw Eric's post. Wow, Eric, thousands of dollars from alums to fund scholarships in econ--cool!
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Sabri Oncu wrote: Why is it that we don't see any Hetero Depts at Ivy League universities? Liza Featherstone I discovered in researching our sweatshop economics piece for the late Lingua Franca that the only Marxist to have gotten a job at a prestige U.S. economics department in the last 20 years was John Roemer - and that was a joint appointment with poli sci, which took the initiative in recruiting him. Doug
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Colorado State - Fort Collins still has a bunch of institutionalists and a program or concentration in institutional or political economy. Ron Stanfield, Ronnie Phillips, etc. University of Denver has Post Keynesians and institutionalists like Peter Ho, Tracy Mott, Robert Urquhart, etc. Wright State U. has feminists and institutionalists like Jim Swaney, Paulette Olson, Barbara Hopkins.
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Loyola Marymount University has nothing. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25960] RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Hetero Depts Colorado State - Fort Collins still has a bunch of institutionalists and a program or concentration in institutional or political economy. Ron Stanfield, Ronnie Phillips, etc. University of Denver has Post Keynesians and institutionalists like Peter Ho, Tracy Mott, Robert Urquhart, etc. Wright State U. has feminists and institutionalists like Jim Swaney, Paulette Olson, Barbara Hopkins.
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Someone mentioned geography yesterday. Urban planning departments used to offer some refuge of lefties -- I don't know of many people who have taken that route recently. Does anybody know of a progressive Keynesian who has gotten a job at a prestige university lately? On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:37:12PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: Sabri Oncu wrote: Why is it that we don't see any Hetero Depts at Ivy League universities? Liza Featherstone I discovered in researching our sweatshop economics piece for the late Lingua Franca that the only Marxist to have gotten a job at a prestige U.S. economics department in the last 20 years was John Roemer - and that was a joint appointment with poli sci, which took the initiative in recruiting him. Doug -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kalamazoo has two New Schoolers, Louis-Philippe Rochon (who has a name chair) and Matias Vernengo, and they have their own institute, hold conferences, etc. Hey, just about the whole world is heterodox!
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Hey, just about the whole world is heterodox! hey, why is the logical opposite of heterodox called orthodox when the logical opposite of heterosexual is called homosexual? orthophobically yours, JD
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are you serious about me listing Chico? All I saw there were a lot of guys who had run out of shaving cream. mbs Chico State, where Gene Coyle lectured.
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Not unless Gene agrees to stay here. On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 04:26:02PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote: are you serious about me listing Chico? All I saw there were a lot of guys who had run out of shaving cream. mbs Chico State, where Gene Coyle lectured. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday, May 13, 2002 at 10:29:43 (-0700) Devine, James writes: Hey, just about the whole world is heterodox! hey, why is the logical opposite of heterodox called orthodox when the logical opposite of heterosexual is called homosexual? orthophobically yours, Because ortho means right or correct, and homo means same; the former is normative, the latter is not. I guess we want to be of the Right doxa (opinion), and of course being of hetero- or ortho- opinions would imply being homo-, as well. Bill
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Doug wrote: Why is it that we don't see any Hetero Depts at Ivy League universities? Liza Featherstone I discovered in researching our sweatshop economics piece for the late Lingua Franca that the only Marxist to have gotten a job at a prestige U.S. economics department in the last 20 years was John Roemer - and that was a joint appointment with poli sci, which took the initiative in recruiting him. Doug I bet his ability to practice the religion of mathematics played some role in that. By the way, not only prestigious is a relative concept but also I am against this concept. Well, of course, this does not mean that others have different views. And my issue with my leftist friends is that they let these so-called prestigious departments to be filled with some ignoramuses whose personal libraries mainly consist of the text books they studied during their graduate programs, together with Readers Digest magazine, of course? And those ignoramuses infuence our daily lives, be it here in the US or in Turkey or in Argentina or where have you. It is time to revolt my friends, before it is too late. Sabri
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let me know when you have time. max -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Forstater, Mathew Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25932] RE: Hetero Depts University of Southern Maine If you are including smaller undergrad schools: Franklin and Marshall College Dickinson College (University?) (both in Penna.) There are lots more little ones.
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UM Lowell? Who's there? It's the Regional Economic and Social Development center -- Chris Tilly Tufts? What's the criteria here? not the regular econ dept; it's the GDAE Neva Goodwin, FRank Ackerman, Steve Cohn criteria are loose. mbs
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Emmanuel College, where Ellen Frank teaches. Forstater, Mathew wrote: University of Southern Maine If you are including smaller undergrad schools: Franklin and Marshall College Dickinson College (University?) (both in Penna.) There are lots more little ones.
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Chico State, where Gene Coyle lectured. On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 09:17:43PM -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote: Emmanuel College, where Ellen Frank teaches. Forstater, Mathew wrote: University of Southern Maine If you are including smaller undergrad schools: Franklin and Marshall College Dickinson College (University?) (both in Penna.) There are lots more little ones. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
