RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: China

2000-05-17 Thread Max Sawicky

Given your truncation of my post and your avoidance
of my question, the slogans right now would be:

Marty Landsburg, you can't hide;
A trade regime you must decide.

or how about,

Hey hey, ho ho
Red free trade has got to go.

and then there's always

Professors'
evasions
must never be conceded.

stop me before I rhyme again,
mbs


This could be interesting.  And exactly what slogans would you be shouting
as part of this group? Marty

  But I do pledge that as head of the MTO, the headquarters will be moved
  from Geneva to Portland, and you can all come to the first session as my
  honored guests.  Even Max.   Marty

 But w/your policies I might have to join the Black Bloc
 and jam the meeting.

 max





Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: China

2000-05-17 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg

Max,

Your post was truncated to be kind to you.  Keeping China out of the WTO
has little to do with creating a new or improved trade regime, much less
promoting progressive politics in the U.S. or international solidarity.
And this is my reward -- more insults!  I have posted your rhymes on
culture.com and will forward the experts feedback and perhaps a
contract for a new cd.  RAP by MBS. 

As to defending my honor from these slurs 

1. Ordinarily I would not mind people misspelling my name but as head of a
new trade organization it must be done right: Sir Marty Hart-Landsberg.

2. I am for managed trade, capital controls, etc.  I do not have a
complete trade regime to present.  That is what secret green room meetings
are to determine; and I now withdraw my invitation to you to participate.
However, I do not see that as a serious problem for the moment.  It
certainly does not keep me from recognizing that the issue of China in the
WTO is a distraction from doing two things: reshaping the international
trade regime and building a radicalized working class movement in the U.S.

3. The WTO is a serious problem, so is the IMF and WB. The fact that
people are working on these problems is not sufficient.  We need to give
them the priority over the China question.  Getting rid of the IMF and WB
would do more to transform the international trading regime then keeping
China out of the WTO.  Focusign on the China question creates confusion as
to the nature of the movement we are or should be trying to build.

4.  Finally, the question of a new trade regime -- by which I take it you
mean a new worked out WTO or MTO -- is secondary to building real poltical
movements that are anti-capitalist in their orientation.  Only with such
movements can we really challenge the existing regime.  Again, that does
not keep me from seeing the value of supporting debt cancellation, capital
controls, resisting the WTO and MAI, etc.  

5.  And finally, finally, I concede to your superior rhyme making. Your
invitation is reextended.  

Sir MHL.



On Wed, 17 May 2000, Max Sawicky wrote:

 Given your truncation of my post and your avoidance
 of my question, the slogans right now would be:
 
 Marty Landsburg, you can't hide;
 A trade regime you must decide.
 
 or how about,
 
 Hey hey, ho ho
 Red free trade has got to go.
 
 and then there's always
 
 Professors'
 evasions
 must never be conceded.
 
 stop me before I rhyme again,
 mbs
 
 
 This could be interesting.  And exactly what slogans would you be shouting
 as part of this group? Marty
 
   But I do pledge that as head of the MTO, the headquarters will be moved
   from Geneva to Portland, and you can all come to the first session as my
   honored guests.  Even Max.   Marty
 
  But w/your policies I might have to join the Black Bloc
  and jam the meeting.
 
  max
 
 




RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: China

2000-05-17 Thread Max Sawicky

. . .
2. I am for managed trade, capital controls, etc.  I do not have a
complete trade regime to present.  . . .


Well just give us a rough idea.  You
will not be graded on style points,
precision, or rhyming.  Simple is fine.
I'm not interested in a blueprint for a
new WTO.  I certainly don't have one.
What basic regulations would you promulgate
with respect to merchandise trade?

I must decline participation in your green room
meetings in any event because I don't do trade.
I just yak about it on PEN-L.  Call me if you
need ideas about taxes or privatization.

My misspelling of your name was unintentional.
Don't anyone accuse me of using spelling to
liken you to a hamburger.  I do have some
decency.  Usually.  Most of the time.
Pretty often.

mbs




[PEN-L:7697] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China, WTO Excess Capacity

1999-06-04 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg

It is my understanding that the main reason the Chinese leadership wants
to join the WTO is to end their yearly struggle with the US over MFN
status.  All members of the WTO automatically get MFN status.  Plus there
is a dispute resolution mechanism that they hope will reduce direct US
leverage/pressure.

Marty Hart-Landsberg

On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Doug Henwood wrote:

 Henry C.K. Liu wrote:
 
 False expectations.
 
 Bill Rosenberg wrote:
 
  Maybe a naive question but...
 
  Can someone explain to me why countries like China and Vietnam want
  to be in organisations like the WTO and APEC?
 
 My guess is that the ruling classes of these countries want to join the
 world bourgeoisie.
 
 Doug