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Now THAT'S funny. Lisa S. on 09/24/2002 5:42 PM, Doug Henwood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devine, James wrote: is there an on-line discussion group that specializes in humor? is it called borscht-belt-l? Don't forget news://alt.politics.socialism.trotsky! Doug
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joanna bujes wrote: Don't forget news://alt.politics.socialism.trotsky! Doug Hey Doug. Netscape says it can't find it. Was THAT the joke? Well, too bad, cause this is my one and only chance to tell my Trotsky joke: Heavens no. I haven't visited it in ages. I can't remember the last time I fired up Newswatcher even. Is it gone? Gosh, the world has lost a strange gallery. Doug
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Don't forget news://alt.politics.socialism.trotsky! Doug Hey Doug. Netscape says it can't find it. Was THAT the joke? Well, too bad, cause this is my one and only chance to tell my Trotsky joke: A messanger arrives at the Kremlin bearing a telegram. I must speak to Comrade Stalin, he cries breathlessly, I have just received a telegram from Trotsky and he acknowledges that he was wrong, completely wrong! He is led to Stalin who listens patiently while the messanger explains: Comrade Stalin, I bear a very important telegram from Trotsky it says: 'You were right; I was wrong. You can have socialism in one country while the rest of the world is in chains. Trotsky.' You see. We have won! He admits he is wrong and the rift is healed! This is a day for celebration. Just a second, says Stalin, let me see that telegram. He takes the telegram, and looks it over. Ah ha! Just as I thought, he says, Nothing has changed. Let me read it to you correctly: 'You were right? I was wrong? You can have Socialist revolution in one country while the rest of the world is in chains (Joanna)
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Doug Henwood wrote: joanna bujes wrote: Don't forget news://alt.politics.socialism.trotsky! Hey Doug. Netscape says it can't find it. Was THAT the joke? Well, too bad, cause this is my one and only chance to tell my Trotsky joke: Heavens no. I haven't visited it in ages. I can't remember the last time I fired up Newswatcher even. Is it gone? Gosh, the world has lost a strange gallery. its very much around, it seems: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8group=alt.politics.socialism.trotsky the reason joanna cannot see it is because her browser (netscape) is probably not configured for an NNTP (news) server, or her server does not carry that newsgroup. --ravi
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:30525] Re: Re: humor it's more likely that Joanna's browser isn't currently set up to read newsgroups. Mine isn't either. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:30525] Re: Re: humor joanna bujes wrote: Don't forget news://alt.politics.socialism.trotsky! Doug Hey Doug. Netscape says it can't find it. Was THAT the joke? Well, too bad, cause this is my one and only chance to tell my Trotsky joke: Heavens no. I haven't visited it in ages. I can't remember the last time I fired up Newswatcher even. Is it gone? Gosh, the world has lost a strange gallery. Doug
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:30527] RE: Re: Re: humor I sent the following message: it's more likely that Joanna's browser isn't currently set up to read newsgroups. Mine isn't either. this appears in the archive of the listserver. but the following is what I got from the list in MS Outlook: Symantec AVF replaced the message body with this text message. The original text contained prohibited content and was deleted. what gives? James G. Devine Professor of Economics University Hall (Rm. 4227) Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, Suite 4200 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 USA 310/338-2948 (work); FAX: 310/338-1950 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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RE: [PEN-L:30527] RE: Re: Re: humor - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: [PEN-L:30531] RE: RE: Re: Re: humor I sent the following message: it's more likely that Joanna's browser isn't currently set up to read newsgroups. Mine isn't either. this appears in the archive of the listserver. but the following is what I got from the list in MS Outlook: Symantec AVF replaced the message body with this text message. The original text contained prohibited content and was deleted. what gives? James G. Devine === Your font's too small? :-) The system may have detected a virus. Ian
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Ian in reply to Jim: Your font's too small? :-) Jim, You really need to do something about your font size and this is not a joke. Or maybe it is. But please do something about it. Most of us are not that young anymore, you know? Sabri
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Sabri Oncu wrote: But please do something about it. Most of us are not that young anymore, you know? Your mail program _may_ have a command that will increase the font size of the post you are reading. With Netscape Communicator each time one hits Alt V F the font increases. Carrol Sabri
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W. wants to balance the budget by reducing taxes. What next? I was wondering last night. What company now in distress would give me the most pleasure by crashing? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] == The Southern Baptist Church? The Roman Catholic Church? Ian
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I think it is more general than that. I have been in situations, some dating back 20 years, some a lot more recent, where members of priveleged groups (rich whites, male physicians, etc.) Told crude anti-black, anti-semetic, anti-women jokes and if you didn't "go along" by laughing, the response was "you have no sense of humor." The more recent experienced involved a President Elect of the AMA and a noted Radiologist telling crude anti-women jokes in public meetings. In the former case I pointedly objected to the Executive Director of the American College of Radiology (a women) and I think they quietly put out the word that these kind of jokes didn't look so good at meeting, especially those related to breast cancer screening. There are still plenty of enclaves that are exclusively or almost exclusively privileged, white and male. When they think you are "one of them" and not on thier guard, you hear some pretty amazing things. -Original Message- From: Carrol Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:9792] Re: Re: humor Carrol Cox wrote: If you trace this legend back I suspect you will find its origins in the failure of British feminists to acknowledge how funny forced feeding was. Many feminists have also been lamentably incapable of seeing how funny wife beating is. An offlist communication suggests that I was a bit too elliptic here, and some expansion seems worthwhile. I meant the legend of left humorlessness. I was partly being sarcastic and partly implying a historical hypothesis: that the charge of lacking humor has always been the first line of defense against "uppity women," and that its use against women predates its use against the left in general. And while I can't come up with anexample right now, I'm pretty sure that there has been over the centuries up to including the present a good deal of humor based on wife-beating. This charge is a variant, I believe, of the charge of political correctness -- which *began* as a self=criticism within some women's groups, taking off from references to left debates over correct line, and then was commandeered by the right. (There are several suggested lineages other than this. In the late '60s there were many jokes within the left abour "correct lineism," as well as many earnest arguments as to correcg line.) I think the charge has a material base -- it is amazingly easy to defend *what is* without getting emphatic. It is amazingly difficult to attack *what is* without appearing -- well, too emphatic. Samuel Johnson, commenting on female preachers, compared them to a dog walking on its hind legs: they didn't do it very well but it was amazing that they did it at all. It's easier to make jokes about how bad Joe Hill's metrics are than it would have been for his friends to joke about his being shot. I do remember (long before my own radicalization) people making jokes about the Rosenberg executions. Probably their comrades did not find those jokes funny. Carrol
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I think it is more general than that. I have been in situations, some dating back 20 years, some a lot more recent, where members of priveleged groups (rich whites, male physicians, etc.) Told crude anti-black, anti-semetic, anti-women jokes and if you didn't "go along" by laughing, the response was "you have no sense of humor." Actually, the character who inspired this thread--one Joe Queenan--is a frequent guest on the Don Imus show, which along with the Howard Stern show, encapsulates what's wrong with mainstream humor. Unlike the Marx Brothers, Mark Twain or Jonathan Swift, humor on these shows targets the weak, the underprivileged and the discriminated against. I once heard Queenan riffing on the Imus show about the tackiness and bad food at Red Lobster restaurants, which was in line with a book he was promoting titled "Red Lobster, White Trash, and the Blue Lagoon: Joe Queenan's America." It's really a snobbish dig at ordinary working people and how they live. The irony is that Don Imus started out as a blue collar worker and ended up as a multimillionaire playing off his blue collar mystique. It is all bullshit, of course. Imus has the reputation of being a "bad boy" who insults his ruling class guests, but in actuality he is a modern day court jester. The social role of a court jester was to mock the King without getting to close to the social relations that give him his real power. You can also see contempt for working people in shows like SNL or Mad TV, which offer up skits about feckless messengers, waiters, or truck drivers when they are not mocking black people or the retarded. The funny thing, of course, is that these shows are uniformly unfunny. If I was a writer for one of these shows, I'd be developing material about rich lawyers, investment bankers or pretentious show business figures, not the wretched of the earth. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
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Louis Proyect wrote: Actually, the character who inspired this thread--one Joe Queenan--is a frequent guest on the Don Imus show, which along with the Howard Stern show, encapsulates what's wrong with mainstream humor. Unlike the Marx Brothers, Mark Twain or Jonathan Swift, humor on these shows targets the weak, the underprivileged and the discriminated against. I once heard Queenan riffing on the Imus show about the tackiness and bad food at Red Lobster restaurants, which was in line with a book he was promoting titled Red Lobster, White Trash, and the Blue Lagoon: Joe Queenan's America. Queenan profiled me in Barron's about 10 years ago (on orders from his then-editor, not on his own initiatve), and I got to know him a bit. He's a pretty vile piece of work - right wing, cynical, selfish, and mean. His poliitcs and his personality are a perfect match. He can be funny sometimes - he did a piece on the men's movement for GQ that was hilarious - but not very often. Like O'Rourke, he thinks it's really funny to piss on the poor and weak. Ha ha. Fortunately most of his books end up quickly remaindered. Doug
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How many Madisonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Three. One to screw in the light bulb, one to order the morning buns, and one to reminisce about the sixties. How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw in the light bulb and four to share the experience. and my all time fave How many Zen Buddhists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw in the light bulb and one NOT to screw in the light bulb. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [PEN-L:9734] humor [was: Re: [PEN-L:9723] RE: Re: RE: Re: A Fair Deal?] David S. wrote: Michael -- I am not surprised at all that you don't find P.J. O'Rourke funny. You don't strike me as a Republican Party Reptile. What about Dave Barry -- another semi-libertarian? Dave Barry is very funny (at least to me), as is Scott "Dilbert" Adams. But I notice that these guys have been shifting to the left. --- Today's (3/29/01) Dilbert -- frame# 1. TV says to Dilbert: "Buy your electricity from the Dogbert Power Company." frame# 2. Dogbert saying to the TV camera: "We generate all of our power with the help of California environmentalists." frame# 3. Workers at power plant: "These are getting harder to find lately." (carrying an environmentalist, bound gagged, to be stuffed in the furnace.) - I can't cite evidence about Dave Barry. In fact, do Lefties have a sense of humor? Or do you have to wait until the revolution comes before you are permitted to smile? (BTW, not all leftists are revolutionaries, as should be obvious from pen-l.) My experience is that people who lack a sense of humor are distributed randomly across the political spectra. The sort who are typically humorless are called "politically correct," a group that is also randomly distributed in this way. Listen to some of the anti-abortion folks some time. Bureaucrats of all types fit this category. Leftists strive to keep their jokes from being at the expense of those who have been getting the short end of the societal stick for generations, which sometimes cramps their style. (However, it does encourage the practice of the highest form of humor, i.e., plays on words.) This is sometimes encouraged by the defensive posture encouraged by being a small minority of the population. But if you can find a copy, look at THE BIG RED JOKE BOOK (Pluto Press, 1980s?) some time. It's got a lot of great jokes, often at the expense of bureaucrats. Some of the best jokes come from anarchists (on the left) and libertarians (on the right). This is probably because these folks believe in breaking down societal barriers (like Lenny Bruce). But sometimes they end up dwelling on being obnoxious, like P.J. O'Rourke, who ends up being funny only to those who enjoy hate and right-wing resentment. Bill Maher has tendencies of this sort. Q: How many post-modernists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would end up replicating the totalizing modernist vision perpetrated by the Enlightenment. Q: How many romantic conservatives does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would lead to the Enlightenment-inspired destruction of the traditions that hold society together. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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four to share the experience. and my all time fave How many Zen Buddhists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw in the light bulb and one NOT to screw in the light bulb. Barkley Rosser No. It's four. the 3rd screws in the non-light bulb the 4th non-screws the light bulb and the non-light bulb Ian
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At 01:39 PM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote: How many Madisonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? my answer is the same, and different, based on political theory: Three, because one person can't be trusted with all the power. How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw in the light bulb and four to share the experience. you should know better! Californians don't screw in light bulbs! they do so in hot-tubs. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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How many Teamsters does it take to change a light bulb? Thirteen. You have a problem with that?
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Now you have inspired me: Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None -- The light bulb's own internal contradictions contain the seeds of its own revolution. A: Two - one to screw it in, and a second to hand out leaflets. Q: How many conservatives does it take to change a light bulb? A: One -- after reflecting in the twilight on the merit of the previous bulb. Q: How many running-dog lackeys of the bourgeoisie does it take to change a light bulb? A: None -- that's the proletariat's work! Q: How many Chinese Red Guards does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: 10,000 - to give the bulb a cultural revolution. Q: How many nihilists does it take to change a light bulb? A: There is nothing to change. Q: How many economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Two. One to assume the ladder and one to change the bulb. See generally: http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Humor/Jokes/Light_Bulb_Jokes/ David Shemano
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Correction. I meant the SAME one -Original Message- From: Brown, Martin (NCI) Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEN-L:9755] RE: Re: humor How many quantum mechanics does it take to screw in the light bulb? One to screw it in at a probability of 95% and one to not screw it in at a probability of 5%. -Original Message- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:9749] Re: humor How many Madisonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Three. One to screw in the light bulb, one to order the morning buns, and one to reminisce about the sixties. How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw in the light bulb and four to share the experience. and my all time fave How many Zen Buddhists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw in the light bulb and one NOT to screw in the light bulb. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [PEN-L:9734] humor [was: Re: [PEN-L:9723] RE: Re: RE: Re: A Fair Deal?] David S. wrote: Michael -- I am not surprised at all that you don't find P.J. O'Rourke funny. You don't strike me as a Republican Party Reptile. What about Dave Barry -- another semi-libertarian? Dave Barry is very funny (at least to me), as is Scott "Dilbert" Adams. But I notice that these guys have been shifting to the left. --- Today's (3/29/01) Dilbert -- frame# 1. TV says to Dilbert: "Buy your electricity from the Dogbert Power Company." frame# 2. Dogbert saying to the TV camera: "We generate all of our power with the help of California environmentalists." frame# 3. Workers at power plant: "These are getting harder to find lately." (carrying an environmentalist, bound gagged, to be stuffed in the furnace.) - I can't cite evidence about Dave Barry. In fact, do Lefties have a sense of humor? Or do you have to wait until the revolution comes before you are permitted to smile? (BTW, not all leftists are revolutionaries, as should be obvious from pen-l.) My experience is that people who lack a sense of humor are distributed randomly across the political spectra. The sort who are typically humorless are called "politically correct," a group that is also randomly distributed in this way. Listen to some of the anti-abortion folks some time. Bureaucrats of all types fit this category. Leftists strive to keep their jokes from being at the expense of those who have been getting the short end of the societal stick for generations, which sometimes cramps their style. (However, it does encourage the practice of the highest form of humor, i.e., plays on words.) This is sometimes encouraged by the defensive posture encouraged by being a small minority of the population. But if you can find a copy, look at THE BIG RED JOKE BOOK (Pluto Press, 1980s?) some time. It's got a lot of great jokes, often at the expense of bureaucrats. Some of the best jokes come from anarchists (on the left) and libertarians (on the right). This is probably because these folks believe in breaking down societal barriers (like Lenny Bruce). But sometimes they end up dwelling on being obnoxious, like P.J. O'Rourke, who ends up being funny only to those who enjoy hate and right-wing resentment. Bill Maher has tendencies of this sort. Q: How many post-modernists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would end up replicating the totalizing modernist vision perpetrated by the Enlightenment. Q: How many romantic conservatives does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would lead to the Enlightenment-inspired destruction of the traditions that hold society together. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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How many quantum mechanics does it take to screw in the light bulb? One to screw it in at a probability of 95% and one to not screw it in at a probability of 5%. -Original Message- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:9749] Re: humor How many Madisonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Three. One to screw in the light bulb, one to order the morning buns, and one to reminisce about the sixties. How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw in the light bulb and four to share the experience. and my all time fave How many Zen Buddhists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw in the light bulb and one NOT to screw in the light bulb. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [PEN-L:9734] humor [was: Re: [PEN-L:9723] RE: Re: RE: Re: A Fair Deal?] David S. wrote: Michael -- I am not surprised at all that you don't find P.J. O'Rourke funny. You don't strike me as a Republican Party Reptile. What about Dave Barry -- another semi-libertarian? Dave Barry is very funny (at least to me), as is Scott "Dilbert" Adams. But I notice that these guys have been shifting to the left. --- Today's (3/29/01) Dilbert -- frame# 1. TV says to Dilbert: "Buy your electricity from the Dogbert Power Company." frame# 2. Dogbert saying to the TV camera: "We generate all of our power with the help of California environmentalists." frame# 3. Workers at power plant: "These are getting harder to find lately." (carrying an environmentalist, bound gagged, to be stuffed in the furnace.) - I can't cite evidence about Dave Barry. In fact, do Lefties have a sense of humor? Or do you have to wait until the revolution comes before you are permitted to smile? (BTW, not all leftists are revolutionaries, as should be obvious from pen-l.) My experience is that people who lack a sense of humor are distributed randomly across the political spectra. The sort who are typically humorless are called "politically correct," a group that is also randomly distributed in this way. Listen to some of the anti-abortion folks some time. Bureaucrats of all types fit this category. Leftists strive to keep their jokes from being at the expense of those who have been getting the short end of the societal stick for generations, which sometimes cramps their style. (However, it does encourage the practice of the highest form of humor, i.e., plays on words.) This is sometimes encouraged by the defensive posture encouraged by being a small minority of the population. But if you can find a copy, look at THE BIG RED JOKE BOOK (Pluto Press, 1980s?) some time. It's got a lot of great jokes, often at the expense of bureaucrats. Some of the best jokes come from anarchists (on the left) and libertarians (on the right). This is probably because these folks believe in breaking down societal barriers (like Lenny Bruce). But sometimes they end up dwelling on being obnoxious, like P.J. O'Rourke, who ends up being funny only to those who enjoy hate and right-wing resentment. Bill Maher has tendencies of this sort. Q: How many post-modernists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would end up replicating the totalizing modernist vision perpetrated by the Enlightenment. Q: How many romantic conservatives does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would lead to the Enlightenment-inspired destruction of the traditions that hold society together. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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Q: How many neoclassical economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: It would never get screwed in because the dark room exists and therefore must be the result of market efficiency and pareto optimality so there is no reason to screw in a light bulb; i.e. just accept the darkness, it is the best of all possible worlds OR it is not the best of all possible worlds but it is better than any other room in the house (did anybody look?)
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David posted: Now you have inspired me: Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None -- The light bulb's own internal contradictions contain the seeds of its own revolution. A: Two - one to screw it in, and a second to hand out leaflets. Q: How many conservatives does it take to change a light bulb? A: One -- after reflecting in the twilight on the merit of the previous bulb. The joke on Marxists is not unfunny, but the joke on conservatives don't work well, in that today's "conservatives" seldom reflect on the merit of the previous bulb. Where's an American conservative today who writes like Michael Oakeshott? Yoshie Postscript: Q. How many graduate students does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. One, but it takes him eight years.
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At 02:27 PM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote: Q: How many neoclassical economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: It's hard to tell, but one thing we know is that the government can't be trusted to do so! or: A: first we have to prove that the light bulb exists! Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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- Original Message - From: "Brown, Martin (NCI)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: [PEN-L:9755] RE: Re: humor How many quantum mechanics does it take to screw in the light bulb? One to screw it in at a probability of 95% and one to not screw it in at a probability of 5%. ** How many economists does it take to flog a joke about light bulbs into oblivion? Ian
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How many economists does it take to flog a joke about light bulbs into oblivion? Ian at least it's not a pointless flame-war, though of course the latter would make screwing in the light bulb unnecessary. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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At 02:27 PM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote: Q: How many neoclassical economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: The bulb would not have burned out in the first place if not for government regulation. Eric .
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Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Postscript: Q. How many graduate students does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. One, but it takes him eight years. probably the more correct answer is: Q. How many graduate students does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. one graduate student and one professor. the student to do the work and the professor to take the credit. to tie it into another thread, i have heard an interesting spin on an old joke, worth repeating: response from classical economics professor in india to student who suggests that socialism might have something to do with kerala's higher literacy and freedoms: "it might all work very well in practice but it will never work in theory". --ravi -- man is said to be a rational animal. i do not know why he has not been defined as an affective or feeling animal. more often i have seen a cat reason than laugh or weep. perhaps it weeps or laughs inwardly - but then perhaps, also inwardly, the crab resolves equations of the 2nd degree. -- alasdair macintyre.
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- Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [PEN-L:9763] Re: Re: RE: Re: humor How many economists does it take to flog a joke about light bulbs into oblivion? Ian at least it's not a pointless flame-war, though of course the latter would make screwing in the light bulb unnecessary. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine * Hey somebody has to play the humor police lest we escalate and the secret Monty Python joke is rolled out and we're all killed. Joe Friday
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How many ants does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two, if they can get inside. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: [PEN-L:9752] Re: Re: humor At 01:39 PM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote: How many Madisonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? my answer is the same, and different, based on political theory: Three, because one person can't be trusted with all the power. How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw in the light bulb and four to share the experience. you should know better! Californians don't screw in light bulbs! they do so in hot-tubs. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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I don't know if there ever will be an answer to Yoshie's question: "Where's an American conservative today who writes like Michael Oakeshott?" because it would actually require such a conservative to have a sense of humor (or irony even), although at the risk of pen-l ad hominem censure, I nominate D'Souza's writings before his relationship with noted pundette, Laura Ingram or are they even funnier afterwards? Since "Celebrity Death Match" has come on the air, a D'Souza vs. Cornel West steel cage match would be nice. And I especially like Jim's: " Q: How many post-modernists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would end up replicating the totalizing modernist vision perpetrated by the Enlightenment. Q: How many romantic conservatives does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would lead to the Enlightenment-inspired destruction of the traditions that hold society together.
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How many real men does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: None. Real men are not afraid of the dark. How many Jewish mothers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: None. They would rather suffer in the darkness. How many WASPs does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw it in and the other to fix the martinis. How many rednecks does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Four. One to screw it in, one to write a country music song about how hard it was to do it, and two to go out in the parking lot and have a fight about it. How many Virginians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw it in, and four to talk about how great the old bulb was Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Brown, Martin (NCI)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [PEN-L:9758] RE: RE: Re: humor Q: How many neoclassical economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: It would never get screwed in because the dark room exists and therefore must be the result of market efficiency and pareto optimality so there is no reason to screw in a light bulb; i.e. just accept the darkness, it is the best of all possible worlds OR it is not the best of all possible worlds but it is better than any other room in the house (did anybody look?)
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My favorite Laffer story is when I saw him debate JK Galbraith at Harvard and he broke into an accented broken English to disparage the Mexican economy. The right defintely has a supply-side perspective on humor. - Original Message - From: "Charles Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: [PEN-L:9781] humor Actually a lot of conservative writings/speeches are big jokes. Reagan was a real hoot, so are William F. Buckley ,Jr. Laffer, Milton Friedman. Remember Gerald Ford's Charlie Chaplin routine ? Tragicomedy is a rightwing speciality. CB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 03:45PM I don't know if there ever will be an answer to Yoshie's question: "Where's an American conservative today who writes like Michael Oakeshott?" because it would actually require such a conservative to have a sense of humor (or irony even), although at the risk of pen-l ad hominem censure, I nominate D'Souza's writings before his relationship with noted pundette, Laura Ingram or are they even funnier afterwards? Since "Celebrity Death Match" has come on the air, a D'Souza vs. Cornel West steel cage match would be nice. And I especially like Jim's: " Q: How many post-modernists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would end up replicating the totalizing modernist vision perpetrated by the Enlightenment. Q: How many romantic conservatives does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: none -- that would lead to the Enlightenment-inspired destruction of the traditions that hold society together.
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Postscript: Q. How many graduate students does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. One, but it takes him eight years. Q: How many actors does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: 10.. One to screw in the lightbulb and 9 to stand below and shout "that should be me up there!"
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If you trace this legend back I suspect you will find its origins in the failure of British feminists to acknowledge how funny forced feeding was. Many feminists have also been lamentably incapable of seeing how funny wife beating is. Carrol
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Carrol Cox wrote: If you trace this legend back I suspect you will find its origins in the failure of British feminists to acknowledge how funny forced feeding was. Many feminists have also been lamentably incapable of seeing how funny wife beating is. An offlist communication suggests that I was a bit too elliptic here, and some expansion seems worthwhile. I meant the legend of left humorlessness. I was partly being sarcastic and partly implying a historical hypothesis: that the charge of lacking humor has always been the first line of defense against "uppity women," and that its use against women predates its use against the left in general. And while I can't come up with anexample right now, I'm pretty sure that there has been over the centuries up to including the present a good deal of humor based on wife-beating. This charge is a variant, I believe, of the charge of political correctness -- which *began* as a self=criticism within some women's groups, taking off from references to left debates over correct line, and then was commandeered by the right. (There are several suggested lineages other than this. In the late '60s there were many jokes within the left abour "correct lineism," as well as many earnest arguments as to correcg line.) I think the charge has a material base -- it is amazingly easy to defend *what is* without getting emphatic. It is amazingly difficult to attack *what is* without appearing -- well, too emphatic. Samuel Johnson, commenting on female preachers, compared them to a dog walking on its hind legs: they didn't do it very well but it was amazing that they did it at all. It's easier to make jokes about how bad Joe Hill's metrics are than it would have been for his friends to joke about his being shot. I do remember (long before my own radicalization) people making jokes about the Rosenberg executions. Probably their comrades did not find those jokes funny. Carrol
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Okay. Seeing how this is completely pointless: Q. How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. Fish. --- "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many real men does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: None. Real men are not afraid of the dark. How many Jewish mothers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: None. They would rather suffer in the darkness. How many WASPs does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Two. One to screw it in and the other to fix the martinis. How many rednecks does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Four. One to screw it in, one to write a country music song about how hard it was to do it, and two to go out in the parking lot and have a fight about it. How many Virginians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Answer: Five. One to screw it in, and four to talk about how great the old bulb was Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Brown, Martin (NCI)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [PEN-L:9758] RE: RE: Re: humor Q: How many neoclassical economists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: It would never get screwed in because the dark room exists and therefore must be the result of market efficiency and pareto optimality so there is no reason to screw in a light bulb; i.e. just accept the darkness, it is the best of all possible worlds OR it is not the best of all possible worlds but it is better than any other room in the house (did anybody look?) = Subscribe to the Chico Examiner for only $30 annually or $20 for six months. Mail cash or check payabe to "Tim Bousquet" to POBox 4627, Chico CA 95927 __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
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Max Sawicky wrote: I've gotten worse from HCKL in the past and didn't complain, but I'm not gonna bother him any more; he takes the fun out of it. Give an example or evidence what you got from me in the past that justifies your making fun of my name. BTW, if you had pronounced my name LIU properly, you silly pun would not have worked. The name is not LU, it is LIU, accent of the i, as in li-u. It is a very famous name in China. It belongs not just to me personally but to my family the history for which traces back to the 7th century. Anyone slightly familiar with Chinese history would recognized the name and know its proper pronounciation. Your idea of fun is offensive. HCKL
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Henry made a useful point. Get a K Liu is clever, but it can also be insulting. I've gotten worse from HCKL in the past and didn't complain, but I'm not gonna bother him any more; he takes the fun out of it. And Hoover called me icky. Get it? Icky Sawicky. Big guys have feelings too. mbs Some people come on the list blasting away, shooting from the hip. Louis P. is an example. I hope that it is fair to say that although his politics are serious, his demeanor is playful and he is thick skinned enough to take ribbing. Others are more easily insulted. We need more attention to such matters. We should also be careful about attributing views to others.
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(y)M*W=(y)D M=money W=work D=debt y=percentage of income spent on consumption If one cancels the y out, then all the money earned at work goes to debt. If one does not work, one does not incur debt. (HA) maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Treacy: And then we have: Summation sign IOU'S=Summation sign UOME'S If you both sides of the equation by O and U you are left with: Summation sign I's=Summation sign ME's [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyrighted On Sat, 19 Oct 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (y)M*W=(y)D M=money W=work D=debt y=percentage of income spent on consumption If one cancels the y out, then all the money earned at work goes to debt. If one does not work, one does not incur debt. (HA) maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
