Seeking clarification

1998-01-24 Thread Sid Shniad

Hi, Jeff. Please clarify. Do you want me to label satirical pieces before 
posting them? Or do you want me not to post them? (I didn't understand
what "remove the braces" meant.)

Sid

 
 Sid:
 
 I love good satire. But I must object to posting unlabeled satirical
 pieces on pen-l. I do not have the time to worry about the authenticity
 of each item you present on pen-l. The more you post these pieces, the
 more skeptical I become of the other interesting articles you provide.
 The artistic value of "good" satire stands on its own, so please remove
 the braces.
 
 Jeff
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 From: Sid Shniad
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Raped environment led polluters on, attorneys argue
 Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:11PM
 
 http://www.theonion.com   January 21, 1998
 
 RAPED ENVIRONMENT LED POLLUTERS ON, DEFENSE
 ATTORNEYS ARGUE
 
 OLYMPIA, WA--In their opening statement before jurors Monday,
 defense attorneys representing Pacific North Construction  Lumber Corp.
 argued that their client was not at fault for the July 1997 rape of
 30,000
 acres of virgin forest, claiming that the forest led the development
 company
 on with "an eager and blatant display of its rich, fertile bounty."
   "While, obviously, it is extremely unfortunate that this forest
 was
 raped, it should have known better than to show off its lush greenery
 and
 tall, strong trees in the presence of my client if it didn't want
 anything to
 happen," said lead defense attorney Dennis Schickle, speaking before a
 courtroom packed with members of the media. "It's only natural for any
 red-blooded American developer to get ideas in its head when it's
 presented
 with that kind of untouched beauty."
   "The bottom line is," Schickle continued, "if you're going to
 tease and
 encourage like that, openly flaunting your abundant natural resources,
 don't
 be surprised by the consequences."
   Public opinion regarding the high-profile case, which is being
 closely
 watched by timber-industry lobbyists and victims' rights groups across
 the
 U.S., is deeply divided. While some contend that the forced ravaging of
 a
 piece of land until it is stripped bare is never justifiable under any
 circumstances, others say that such an action is understandable if the
 wooded area gives off mixed signals.
   "The Pacific North Construction  Lumber Corp. had every reason
 to
 believe that that forest wanted it bad," said logger Victor Duffy of
 Chelan,
 WA. "Just look at where it was at the time of the incident: It was in a
 secluded, far-off place, nearly 25 miles from the nearest road. What
 were
 those trees doing in that kind of remote spot if they weren't looking
 for
 trouble?"
   Those siding with the timber company also cite the forest's
 history,
 claiming that it has a reputation for being easily exploited.
   "Believe me, this is no virgin forest," said Frank Abbate, owner
 of the
 Bellingham-based GH Consolidated Timber. "It may try to pass itself off
 as pristine and untouched, but I know for a fact that it has a long
 history of
 allowing itself to be used by developers."
   In his opening statement, defense attorney Schickle also pointed
 out
 that when Pacific North loggers arrived at the forest on the day in
 question,
 its floor was covered in alluring, fragrant flowers that were "clearly
 meant
 to attract."
   "When a forest drapes itself in flora of every color and scent
 imaginable, it's obviously asking for it," Schickle said. "I'm sure the
 plaintiff
 will argue that these radiant flowers were meant to lure pollen-hungry
 bees,
 not pulp-hungry loggers. But how was my client supposed to know this?
 When was it made clear that this colorful display was meant to attract
 one
 particular species of fauna but no other? When was it made clear that
 this
 forest was looking to satisfy the needs of bees and bees only?"
   Russell Belanger, president of the National Timber And Logging
 Association, agreed. "This forest made it seem like it wanted it, then
 cried
 environmental rape when it got it," he said. "At some point, we've got
 to
 start asking ourselves who the real victim is in these cases: our
 nation's
 promiscuous, manipulative forests, or the good, decent developers out
 there who are just trying to make an honest living razing the land."
 





[PEN-L:4138] Seeking clarification

1996-05-04 Thread D Shniad

Max Sawicky makes reference to burying "the stinking corpse of social 
democracy" in his exchange with Doug Henwood about the AFL-CIO.  Was this 
short hand, or is this an attempt to imply that either the Democrats or 
the AFL-CIO have been following a social democratic line?

Sid Shniad



[PEN-L:4146] Re: Seeking clarification

1996-05-04 Thread Max B. Sawicky

D Shniad wrote:
 
 Max Sawicky makes reference to burying "the stinking corpse of social
 democracy" in his exchange with Doug Henwood about the AFL-CIO.  Was this
 short hand, or is this an attempt to imply that either the Democrats or
 the AFL-CIO have been following a social democratic line?

That was my way of characterizing Doug's attack on the Dems as feeble,
though there is no lack of things worth criticizing.

I think it is fair to describe the AFL-CIO's line as social-democratic,
at least in domestic policy.  I wouldn't accuse the D.P. of following
any line, since it is not organized for any such purpose.
In general I think Democratic politicians have been intimidated into
backing away from social-democratic policies many of them supported
in the past because of public hysteria over deficits and the discredit
with which the public sector has been tarred by the right.
 

Max B. Sawicky  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Economic Policy Institute   202-775-8810 (voice)
1660 L St., NW, WDC, 20036  202-775-0819 (fax)

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