quick thoughts before I rush off
This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. The left is probably in greater disarray for this than anybody else. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901
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This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. The left is probably in greater disarray for this than anybody else. -- Michael Perelman For what it's worth, here in Columbus, Ohio, we are planning responses, in anticipation of U.S. bombings of some Arab nation, repressions of Arabs Arab-Americans in the USA, etc.: At 10:52 AM -0400 9/11/01, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:52:44 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TERRORIST ATTACK X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I have already been contacted by WOSU on a comment about this event, they have been told of a peace rally in Goodale Park but Had not details. Does anyone know of this effort? and if so please respond. We must encourage the media not to jump to the conclusion of discriminatory reports of arab or palestinian terrorists until more is known on who and why such actions were taken. I suggest that since there was a protest on death penalty planned tomorrow anyway that we go to the statehouse around 10 a.m. or go to First Congregation Church prayer vigil (444. E. Broad Street) at 9 a.m. and use these events as time to talk about local response. (reply with your suggestions please) Or we could gather at the federal building tonight if people need some place to go for community conversation. I will be at work until 9 p.m., but can be contacted at 645-8171! The symbolism of these attacks has profound impact on the work that many of us our involved, trade and war arrogance has been attacked! For justice and peace in our struggles Mark D. Stansbery Any response planned elsewhere? Yoshie
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Michael Perelman wrote, This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. This is unquestionably true. Kiss your civil liberties goodbye, folks. The other side of the coin is that the repression can't be carried out on the basis of business as usual. Hello, Mars; Goodbye, Pluto. Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213
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Michael Perelman wrote: This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. This is too alarmist for me, given my reading of the situation. I expect a further weakening of our civil liberties, but not the end. Andrew Hagen writes:As for civil liberties, sometimes they must be sacrificed to preserve public safety. This is such a time. The point we can make is that any limitation on liberty should be temporary until the danger passes. Frankly, I think that our civil liberties have already been restricted too much in the US. (There are more and more videotaping spy cameras watching us...) Even in terms of preventing hijackings, they've gone far into the region of diminishing returns. And they couldn't even prevent the hijackings that led to the plane-crash attacks. And we should remember that when civil liberties get squeezed, the left, the poor, and minorities (including Arab Americans) get it in the neck even if they had nothing to do with the problem. If the Pearl Harbor rhetoric continues and the US goes to war (against whom?), union rights will be further restricted. The only thing to do is to push for greater civil liberties (the ACLU's official philosophy). Whenever people advocate the weakening of our liberties, we have to remember Plato's question: who guards the Guardians? Why should we trust the police, the FBI, etc., to do a good job rather than covering up their own sins, feathering their own nests, etc.? Michael continues: I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. alas, that's true. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. We should remember that the US is one of the big purveyors of state terrorism, often using cruise missiles. The left is probably in greater disarray for this than anybody else. Isn't the left too small to be in disarray? BTW, if President Bush's National Missile Defense (Star Wars) were already in place, this couldn't have happened. ;-) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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I just heard a professor on NPR being interviewed proclaim that *if* indeed it is found that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the source of this incident that opinion in the US will turn against the Palestinians. The possibility that the policy of giving Israel the green light in its repression of Palestinians might meet with questioning is just not worthy of discussion on NPR, the alternative organ of radio information hmm Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822
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For what it's worth, here in Columbus, Ohio, we are planning responses, in anticipation of U.S. bombings of some Arab nation, repressions of Arabs Arab-Americans in the USA, etc.: Thank you Yoshie. This is exactly the right response. The hatred and racist fear I hear all around me is almost as frightening as the bombs/planes. The implications of not fighting this is even more frightening than the bombs/planes. Your neighbours are going to be under racist attacks from your other neighbours. Be alert and be ready to defend them. That's all we can do right now. Again- thank you Yoshie. Macdonald
