the wages of sin
Title: the wages of sin from SLATE's on-line news summary:The NY [TIMES's] fine obit on [mobster John] Gotti runs over 3,000 words. (By comparison, the recent obit for scientist Stephen Jay Gould was about half that long.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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I am surprised that nobody mentioned the pleasures from public goods -- such as parks -- which have the potential to bring people together rather than the private pleasures that tend to isolate people. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael Perelman said on 11/22/00 8:27 A I am surprised that nobody mentioned the pleasures from public goods -- such as parks -- which have the potential to bring people together rather than the private pleasures that tend to isolate people. I would say that parks are places to find solitude and commune with nature while smoky public houses serve the social function of bringing people together.
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aren't cops. They dress sloppy to casual, wearing baseball caps sometimes, shorts and t-shirts, etc., straight looking to gay acting. Will stare at you, or just stand next to you watching the video acting as if they are getting off to it. Many guys are being busted every day." The consequences can be devastating. One poor soul in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania left the following account: "Nine of us were arrested at Adult World for 'publicly masturbating while other men watched.' That's how it read in the paper with our names published for all to see. Official charges are public indecency and public lewdness. It has ruined my career and marriage. I have not been fired, but I am going to leave due to being either shunned or scorned. It is awful. My wife has thrown me out saying: 'I didn't know you were a queer!' I am without hope." Finally, I should mention that in these self-reported accounts it is not unusual for the vice cops to extort money on the spot in lieu of arrest. Most men pay up and consider themselves lucky, given the alternative http://www.indegayforum.org/articles/miller35.html * Vice crimes (criminalizing consensual sexual activities such as prostitution, sex in public parks commercial establishments, etc.) tend to breed more police corruption than otherwise, providing a fertile ground for extortion, etc. Moreover, the practice of entrapment highlights the fact that _the law literally incites what it ostensibly prohibits_ (aside from general incitement that Foucault discusses in _The History of Sexuality_). The same goes for sting operations in the war on drugs. The wages of sin indeed! Yoshie
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You could reverse the conclusions as well. It depends on how you use the pubs and parks. On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:10:43AM -0800, martin schiller wrote: Michael Perelman said on 11/22/00 8:27 A I am surprised that nobody mentioned the pleasures from public goods -- such as parks -- which have the potential to bring people together rather than the private pleasures that tend to isolate people. I would say that parks are places to find solitude and commune with nature while smoky public houses serve the social function of bringing people together. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In response to Yoshie's note, note about repression in the parks, more than more this effort to regulate public space is going along with the privatization of the administration of the public space. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael Perelman said on 11/22/00 1:24 P You could reverse the conclusions as well. It depends on how you use the pubs and parks. I know what you mean. I've been dropped on my ass a few times after deciding to socialize with the brooding one at the end of the bar. g
