Re: [PEN-L] PK on China Challenge

2005-07-03 Thread Chris Burford

I too was surprised about this angle, and I appreciate Jim's  posting
this important article, which caught my eye when copied into the
International Herald Tribune which I get in London.

There it was printed above another article also copied from the
NYTimes, by Nicholas Kristof, who doesn't strike me as being
particularly left-wing, entitled Playing into China's hands   [June
28 edn]

This starts
The biggest risk we Americans face to our way of life and our place
in the world probably doesn't come from Al Qaeda or the Iraq war.
Rather, the biggest risk may come from this administration's fiscal
recklessness and the way this is putting us in hock to China.


My impression from a distance is that various voices are trying to
create a liberal consensus, mainly by opportunist shifts of course,
that will leave Bush relatively isolated and weak by the midterm
elections.

This could include appeals to selfish national factors, and even
racism.

I find Krugman's article more interesting for the details and the
picture of how China is moving, almost amoeba-like now, to penetrate,
and incorporate the USA into a world system open as much as possible
to its influence.

Remember China has a culture of continuous highly complex social
consciousness, well before any claims to socialism (debatable though
that is). It knows its massive inertia and momentum, and is relaxed
enough to view its position in the world strategically.

Among its cultural strengths is a sophisticated theory of managing
conflict. It may use sudden dramatic confrontation or humiliation, as
when they dismantled the high technology spy plane screw by screw soon
after the start of Bush's first term and the neo-con suggestion that
China was the US's main strategic opponent.

But there is much in Chinese tradition about the merits of managing
relations with significant others without direct confrontation but by
careful manoeuvre.

Reading Krugman's article it is possible to see the reasonable
argument that China now owns so many US treasury bonds that it has
successfully ensured itself against anti-Yuan speculation. Unless it
is to stop balancing the payments exchanges by continued capital
inflow, it must start turning to stocks. And the US would not like
China to stop supporting the balance of payments all of a sudden would
it?? ...

And being Chinese they may think rather carefully about which stocks
to buy and they may take the long term view .

Including in a world in which there will be pressure on natural
resources ...

There are also interesting echoes in this article updating to my mind
some of the arguments Lenin rehearsed in Imperialism - yes it is of
great strategic importance in the era of finance capital still to
secure access to resources and markets. But compared to 100 years ago
it is cheaper and easier to do this through finance capitalist
companies, than by warfare between states.

Especially if Chinese culture anyway fosters a degree of collective
cohesion and subtle centralised direction between these companies.

China has two millennia of continuous culture without needing to build
bourgeois civil society from scratch for purposes of social coherence.

This enormous social value would be called by some today social
capital. This,
coupled with the massively growing accumulation of *finance capital*
by
the Chinese, is shifting the balance of forces in the world
insidiously more dramatically than any dramatic shift of the tectonic
plates can move a continent a few centimeters.

And this is happening under the surface, while Bush and Blair posture
for the moral ideological high ground over Africa and the environment,
These issues are the ideological drapery for the enthronement of some
sort of
new world government.

But who will have control of the money?

Chris Burford

PS

CARTOON

The accompanying cartoon in the IHT was particularly apposite, by
Danziger.
One letter change between Khruschev and Hu Jin Tao - BURY vs BUY

Khruschev pounding his shoe at the UN shouting We will BURY you!!
Hu Jin Tao, smiling like a young smart sales rep with his hands
innocently behind his back, in front of a sign Red China -
We will BUY you!!

One letter difference, but if the Soviet Union had found a path to
economic growth which did indeed overtake the west, and the Soviet
Bloc had not collapsed, then we might well have faced this new phase
of financial interdigitation by that route.
(Of course the compromises the Chinese have made to reach the
present remarkable situation are another matter 

And it has taken almost 50 years. But what is that in the lifetime of
the human race?

CB





- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] PK on China Challenge



The part that surprised me in Krugman's article was the final
paragraph in which he
revealed his preference for blocking China.  In his pre-leftish
phase, wasn't Krugman angry

[PEN-L] PK on China Challenge

2005-06-27 Thread Jim Devine
June 27, 2005/New York TIMES. 
The Chinese Challenge
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Fifteen years ago, when Japanese companies were busily buying up
chunks of corporate America, I was one of those urging Americans not
to panic. You might therefore expect me to offer similar soothing
words now that the Chinese are doing the same thing. But the Chinese
challenge - highlighted by the bids for Maytag and Unocal - looks a
lot more serious than the Japanese challenge ever did.

There's nothing shocking per se about the fact that Chinese buyers are
now seeking control over some American companies. After all, there's
no natural law that says Americans will always be in charge. Power
usually ends up in the hands of those who hold the purse strings.
America, which imports far more than it exports, has been living for
years on borrowed funds, and lately China has been buying many of our
I.O.U.'s.

Until now, the Chinese have mainly invested in U.S. government bonds.
But bonds yield neither a high rate of return nor control over how the
money is spent. The only reason for China to acquire lots of U.S.
bonds is for protection against currency speculators - and at this
point China's reserves of dollars are so large that a speculative
attack on the dollar looks far more likely than a speculative attack
on the yuan.

So it was predictable that, sooner or later, the Chinese would stop
buying so many dollar bonds. Either they would stop buying American
I.O.U.'s altogether, causing a plunge in the dollar, or they would
stop being satisfied with the role of passive financiers, and demand
the power that comes with ownership. And we should be relieved that at
least for now the Chinese aren't dumping their dollars; they're using
them to buy American companies.

Yet there are two reasons that Chinese investment in America seems
different from Japanese investment 15 years ago.

One difference is that, judging from early indications, the Chinese
won't squander their money as badly as the Japanese did.

The Japanese, back in the day, tended to go for prestige investments -
Rockefeller Center, movie studios - that transferred lots of money to
the American sellers, but never generated much return for the buyers.
The result was, in effect, a subsidy to the United States.

The Chinese seem shrewder than that. Although Maytag is a piece of
American business history, it isn't a prestige buy for Haier, the
Chinese appliance manufacturer. Instead, it's a reasonable way to
acquire a brand name and a distribution network to serve Haier's
growing manufacturing capability.

That doesn't mean that America will lose from the deal. Maytag's
stockholders will gain, and the company will probably shed fewer
American workers under Chinese ownership than it would have otherwise.
Still, the deal won't be as one-sided as the deals with the Japanese
often were.

[This is where I was confused in a recent message (that I later
retracted). I was thinking too much in terms of a Japan 1980s/China
2000s analogy. Japan had a high Yen in the late 1990s and was able to
buy US assets at bargain-basement prices -- and thus was more likely
to squander their advantage. China does _not_ have a high Yuan (though
it does have a lot of dollar-denominated assets to spend) and must be
more economical.]

The more important difference from Japan's investment is that China,
unlike Japan, really does seem to be emerging as America's strategic
rival and a competitor for scarce resources - which makes last week's
other big Chinese offer more than just a business proposition.

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation, a company that is 70
percent owned by the Chinese government, is seeking to acquire control
of Unocal, an energy company with global reach. In particular, Unocal
has a history - oddly ignored in much reporting on the Chinese offer -
of doing business with problematic regimes in difficult places,
including the Burmese junta and the Taliban. One indication of
Unocal's reach: Zalmay Khalilzad, who was U.S. ambassador to
Afghanistan for 18 months and was just confirmed as ambassador to
Iraq, was a Unocal consultant.

Unocal sounds, in other words, like exactly the kind of company the
Chinese government might want to control if it envisions a sort of
great game in which major economic powers scramble for access to
far-flung oil and natural gas reserves. (Buying a company is a lot
cheaper, in lives and money, than invading an oil-producing country.)
So the Unocal story gains extra resonance from the latest surge in oil
prices.

[It remains to be seen how serious the China/US rivalry will be.]

If it were up to me, I'd block the Chinese bid for Unocal. But it
would be a lot easier to take that position if the United States
weren't so dependent on China right now, not just to buy our I.O.U.'s,
but to help us deal with North Korea now that our military is bogged
down in Iraq.

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-- 
Jim Devine
Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti. (Go your own way and let

Re: [PEN-L] PK on China Challenge

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Perelman
The part that surprised me in Krugman's article was the final paragraph in 
which he
revealed his preference for blocking China.  In his pre-leftish phase, wasn't 
Krugman angry
with people like Laura Tyson who wanted to manage trade?
 --
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu


Re: [PEN-L] PK on China Challenge

2005-06-27 Thread Jim Devine
A foolish consistence is the hobgoblin of little minds, right? he
does argue that Japan  China are different case. He doesn't seem to
be advocating blocking China as part of industrial policy (which is
the kind of thing that Tyson advocated).

On 6/27/05, Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The part that surprised me in Krugman's article was the final paragraph in 
 which he
 revealed his preference for blocking China.  In his pre-leftish phase, wasn't 
 Krugman angry
 with people like Laura Tyson who wanted to manage trade?
  --
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929
 
 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
 


-- 
Jim Devine
Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti. (Go your own way and let
people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.