Re: [PEN-L] Robert Reich on consumer interests vs. worker/citizen interests

2005-02-28 Thread Louis Proyect
February 28, 2005/New York TIMES
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Don't Blame Wal-Mart
By ROBERT B. REICH
Berkeley, Calif. - BOWING to intense pressure from neighborhood and
labor groups, a real estate developer has just given up plans to include
a Wal-Mart store in a mall in Queens, thereby blocking Wal-Mart's plan
to open its first store in New York City. In the eyes of Wal-Mart's
detractors, the Arkansas-based chain embodies the worst kind of economic
exploitation: it pays its 1.2 million American workers an average of
only $9.68 an hour, doesn't provide most of them with health insurance,
keeps out unions, has a checkered history on labor law and turns main
streets into ghost towns by sucking business away from small retailers.
This, btw, is exactly the same approach that Jared Diamond has to the
question of pollution in Montana. He puts the burden on the taxpayer
rather than the corporation.
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Re: [PEN-L] Robert Reich on consumer interests vs. worker/citizen interests

2005-02-28 Thread Bill Lear
This is such nonsense.  It's as if Walmart is nothing more than
a purveyor of cheap goods, as if it has no political clout and does
nothing to structure our society outside of the transactions it
conducts with consumers.


Bill


Re: [PEN-L] Robert Reich on consumer interests vs. worker/citizen interests

2005-02-28 Thread Michael Perelman
You could blame people who wore cotton clothing for slavery by the same logic.

Montesquieu wrote It must be said that slavery is against nature, though in 
certain
countries it is founded upon natural reason.  One may distinguish between such
countries and those in which natural reasons reject it.  One must therefore 
limit
slavery to certain portions of the earth.  He added, Sugar would be too 
expensive
if one did not use slave labor.



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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu


Re: [PEN-L] Robert Reich on consumer interests vs. worker/citizen interests

2005-02-28 Thread Devine, James
I think this misses Reich's point, i.e., that the citizen/worker inside
our heads would and should rebel against slavery even though the
consumer of sugar would favor its existence. 

Bill's point is more germane: the slave-owners had a lot of political
power -- enough to keep slavery going for much, much too long -- and,
similarly, it's not us citizen/workers but Wal-Mart and its ilk that
dominate politics. Typically, Reich is appealing to the liberal public
(specifically, the readers of the NYT), assuming that they have a lot of
political power -- and that they will transcend their narrow
consumerist greed. 

Nonetheless, I liked Reich's cleverness. 

Jim Devine, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine/ 

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 You could blame people who wore cotton clothing for slavery by the
 same logic.
 
 Montesquieu wrote It must be said that slavery is against nature,
 though in certain
 countries it is founded upon natural reason.  One may distinguish
 between such
 countries and those in which natural reasons reject it.  One must
 therefore limit
 slavery to certain portions of the earth.  He added, Sugar would
 be too expensive
 if one did not use slave labor.
 
 
 
 --
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929
 
 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu