Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Dan Sugalski
Okay, I've just trodden on one of the nasty bits of objects, proper 
ordering of classes for initialization and destruction in the face of 
multiple inheritance. I'm doing the only sensible thing at the 
moment--I'm actively ignoring it. I've burned a few hours chasing 
down this rathole.

So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th 
release, or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next 
release? As I think I'm only a little while off (maybe a day or so) 
from getting it working, I'm tempted to take a miss on the nice date 
in favor of a release with Good Stuff in it, but I'm flexible there.

Time to weigh in on it, though in this case the decision's up to the 
Release Manager, so direct your on-list arguments to Leo. :)
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Dan

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Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Leon Brocard
Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:

 So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th 
 release, or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next 
 release?

Objects please!

Leon
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Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Melvin Smith
At 10:29 AM 2/23/2004 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th release, 
or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next release? As I think 
I'm only a little while off (maybe a day or so) from getting it working, 
I'm tempted to take a miss on the nice date in favor of a release with 
Good Stuff in it, but I'm flexible there.
Nice dates are amusing, but of no real use.
I say postpone the release.
-Melvin




Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th
 release, or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next
 release? As I think I'm only a little while off (maybe a day or so)
 from getting it working,

Don't post intermediate state, hack objects together ;) Objects are
missing since a long time and are announced still longer. So if possible
anyhow, please try to get it running.

WRT feature freeze: I'd say: Starting from Tue, 24th 8.00 GMT no more
feature patches *should* go in, *except* objects.

leo


Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Melvin Smith
At 05:09 PM 2/23/2004 +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote:

WRT feature freeze: I'd say: Starting from Tue, 24th 8.00 GMT no more
feature patches *should* go in, *except* objects.
Basically that means: everyone will get really quiet and we will all watch
Dan.   :)
-Melvin




Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Simon Glover

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Melvin Smith wrote:

 At 05:09 PM 2/23/2004 +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote:

 WRT feature freeze: I'd say: Starting from Tue, 24th 8.00 GMT no more
 feature patches *should* go in, *except* objects.

 Basically that means: everyone will get really quiet and we will all watch
 Dan.   :)

 Alternatively: everybody will spend their time writing tests and
 documentation... (Well, OK, probably not, but I'm hopelessly optimistic).

 Simon




Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Jonathan Worthington

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From: Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:29 PM
Subject: Objects and time


 Okay, I've just trodden on one of the nasty bits of objects, proper
 ordering of classes for initialization and destruction in the face of
 multiple inheritance. I'm doing the only sensible thing at the
 moment--I'm actively ignoring it. I've burned a few hours chasing
 down this rathole.

 So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th
 release, or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next
 release? As I think I'm only a little while off (maybe a day or so)
 from getting it working, I'm tempted to take a miss on the nice date
 in favor of a release with Good Stuff in it, but I'm flexible there.

 Time to weigh in on it, though in this case the decision's up to the
 Release Manager, so direct your on-list arguments to Leo. :)

Maybe we should go for a Feb 29th release, and then do objects for the next
release and call that 0.1.  If 0.1 is going to be a milestone of sorts, I
feel the object stuff going in should be well documented and have tests and
examples.  It'd also be good to have feedback from the various platforms
we'd like them to work on, and some time for people to toy with them a
little to spot any little quirks.  If there's a push to get a release done,
I fear that may not happen.  Of course, there may be no push to do a
release, in which case I don't object to holding off until it's really
ready.

Jonathan




Tetris (was: Objects and time)

2004-02-23 Thread Jens Rieks
Hi,

Am Montag, 23. Februar 2004 17:09 schrieb Leopold Toetsch:
 WRT feature freeze: I'd say: Starting from Tue, 24th 8.00 GMT no more
 feature patches *should* go in, *except* objects.

can/should go the tetris example go in?
I'am writing documentation at the moment. Converting the example to use
parrot objects is my next plan.

 leo
jens



Re: Objects and time

2004-02-23 Thread Harry Jackson
Leon Brocard wrote:
Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:

Objects please!
I would second that. I would prefer a cool release to a cool date ;-)

Harry Jackson