Re: So, we need a code name...
Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Then Perl language variants could go the other way and be: > >Pern Nano Perl Network perl - then we can say "here be dragons - but friendly ones..." -- Nick Ing-Simmons
Re: So, we need a code name...
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > "durian". Aw, nuts. You beat me to it. Do we really think the externals will be spiky and the internals smelly but delicious? --- Joe M.
Re: So, we need a code name...
da Du ron ron ron -- John Porter
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> > You want to name it after a fruit smelling of dead cows and sewer gas? > > Oy! *I* didn't suggest the "Duran" name :-) No, that was me. *Your* suggestion was the "durian". Can a word association with the band by the same name x 2 really be a bad thing? One hell of a comeback they're had. ;-)
Re: So, we need a code name...
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:51:27AM -0700, Peter Scott wrote: > At 08:33 AM 5/6/01 -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > >On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:31:17AM -0600, Dan Brian wrote: > > > For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit: > > > > > > "duran" (or derivatives) > > > > > > Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella" > > > for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means > > > little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing > > > resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to > > > AMD's "Duron". *shrug* > > > >"durian". > > You want to name it after a fruit smelling of dead cows and sewer gas? Oy! *I* didn't suggest the "Duran" name :-) -- $jhi++; # http://www.iki.fi/jhi/ # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen
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At 08:27 PM 5/6/01 +0100, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> durian
>n 1: tree of southeastern Asia having edible oval fruit with a
> hard spiny rind [syn: {durion}, {durian tree}, {Durio
> zibethinus}]
>2: huge fruit native to southeastern Asia `smelling like Hell
> and tasting like Heaven'; seeds are roasted and eaten like
> nuts
>
>I think that's rather descriptive of Perl in general. Its huge, hard
>on the outside, soft on the inside, smells really nasty but if you're
>brave enough (or dumb enough) to take a bite it tastes wonderful.
Have you seen one? Hard as a rock and covered with spikes. If one fell on
you from more than three feet it would spell instant death, which would
probably be more merciful than being exposed to the smell.
Grocers either stock them outside or frozen.
It's not what I'd call a positive image :-)
--
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com
Re: So, we need a code name...
> durian
>n 1: tree of southeastern Asia having edible oval fruit with a
> hard spiny rind [syn: {durion}, {durian tree}, {Durio
> zibethinus}]
>2: huge fruit native to southeastern Asia `smelling like Hell
> and tasting like Heaven'; seeds are roasted and eaten like
> nuts
>
> I think that's rather descriptive of Perl in general. Its huge, hard
> on the outside, soft on the inside, smells really nasty but if you're
> brave enough (or dumb enough) to take a bite it tastes wonderful.
I agree. Especially considering the language-independence of the parser
being planned. Besides the meaning, it's a rather cool word all by itself.
Re: So, we need a code name...
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:51:27AM -0700, Peter Scott wrote:
> >"durian".
>
> You want to name it after a fruit smelling of dead cows and sewer gas?
durian
n 1: tree of southeastern Asia having edible oval fruit with a
hard spiny rind [syn: {durion}, {durian tree}, {Durio
zibethinus}]
2: huge fruit native to southeastern Asia `smelling like Hell
and tasting like Heaven'; seeds are roasted and eaten like
nuts
I think that's rather descriptive of Perl in general. Its huge, hard
on the outside, soft on the inside, smells really nasty but if you're
brave enough (or dumb enough) to take a bite it tastes wonderful.
--
Michael G. Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/
Perl6 Quality Assurance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kwalitee Is Job One
BOFH excuse #229:
wrong polarity of neutron flow
Re: So, we need a code name...
At 08:33 AM 5/6/01 -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: >On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:31:17AM -0600, Dan Brian wrote: > > For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit: > > > > "duran" (or derivatives) > > > > Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella" > > for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means > > little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing > > resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to > > AMD's "Duron". *shrug* > >"durian". You want to name it after a fruit smelling of dead cows and sewer gas? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com
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At 09:32 AM 5/6/2001 -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: >On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 08:33:45AM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:31:17AM -0600, Dan Brian wrote: > > > For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit: > > > > > > "duran" (or derivatives) > > > > > > Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella" > > > for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means > > > little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing > > > resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to > > > AMD's "Duron". *shrug* > > > > "durian". > >"Duran Duran". Oh, the eighties is back... despite our best intentions :-) Aaahhh! No! The horror... I'm going to have to switch back to the Elder Seal desktop wallpaper, I see. Dan --"it's like this"--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
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On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 08:33:45AM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:31:17AM -0600, Dan Brian wrote: > > For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit: > > > > "duran" (or derivatives) > > > > Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella" > > for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means > > little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing > > resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to > > AMD's "Duron". *shrug* > > "durian". "Duran Duran". Oh, the eighties is back... despite our best intentions :-) -- $jhi++; # http://www.iki.fi/jhi/ # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen
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On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:31:17AM -0600, Dan Brian wrote: > For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit: > > "duran" (or derivatives) > > Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella" > for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means > little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing > resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to > AMD's "Duron". *shrug* "durian". -- $jhi++; # http://www.iki.fi/jhi/ # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen
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For your collective amuse() abuse() dismiss() I humbly submit:
"duran" (or derivatives)
Aside from conjuring images of "reflex", "rio", and maybe "Barbarella"
for a select few, the word occurs in some interesting contexts. It means
little aside from it being a last name, a city name, and bearing
resemblence to some neat stuff. One bummer is the likeness to
AMD's "Duron". *shrug*
Relations are up to you to draw, so read between the lines. Just don't ask
why I looked it all up. It is, in fact, a totally unrelated story which
has kept me up all night. Connectionist pride.
Similar to:
1. Latin "dura" (Italian, Spanish also): hard, solid, durable. Also
Latin "durare", "last to endure".
2. "Dura the circle", where Nebuchadnezzar set up a golden image near
Babylon (Daniel 3:1). Still exists, and still bears the ancient name,
which is something. The city is "Dura" in Syria, rebuilt many times
over a thousand years, as a military colony by the Seleucids, a
caravan city around 100 BC by the Parthians, and a frontier fort in
AD 165 by the Romans. Home of the only extant Christian community
meeting or assembly house from the 3rd century, earliest example of
Christian community religious gathering.
3. "Radiodurans", a form of "pseudomonas" bacterium (pseudomonas are
able to use virtually any organic molecule as a source of carbon and
of energy). Radiodurans are an "extreme environment" lifeform,
thriving at the cores of swimming-pool nuclear reactors (to the
annoyance of plant physicists). This one is long and interesting.
4. The prefix "deru-", "solid, firm, steadfast". Has variants in Old
English, Old Norse, and Greek, Latin, and Sanskrit.
Names ("Duran"):
1. (b. 1350) Jewish philosopher, linguist, and satirist, compelled to
Christianity and later resumed Judaic worship. Known for his
scholarly writings on Hebrew grammar.
2. (b. 1361) First Spanish Jewish rabbi to be paid a regular salary by
the community. Reduced Thirteen Articles of Faith of Moses Maimonides
to three essential dogmas. He was a synergist. ;-)
Re: So, we need a code name...
> : also - why does it have to be tied to perl (in name) at all? > > Er, because we're writing it? > > : I like the idea > : that it would *not* be tied to perl, ie: it would be more generic if it was > : not named after it. > > Well, the fact that Tcl and Tk both start with T didn't stop people from > abstracting it away. I think that has little to do with the name, but with > how generally useful the platform is. true, but names are important, if for nothing but psychological reasons. For example, I think that the ruby/python/whatever folks would be more motivated to develop a version of their language under if the name of the underlying technology was language neutral > : How about 'prism' (ie: multiple languages from one underlying platform)? > > Do a search for "prism" on Yahoo and then come back with a serious > suggestion. There's even a "Prism programming language" out there. > (And yes, I did do a search for "perk" before I suggested it.) fair enough, but just to be clear I *did* do a search on prism. I just was too lazy to go past the 'category' matches (where there was no entry for a prism programming language). I suppose I should have been put off by the 235 entries though in the category page.. > New-age-techie words like "prism" are an attractive nuisance, and > should be avoided if we want people to find our stuff. hm. I suppose you wouldn't be into mangling the name (ex: prysm), or into something longer like 'palimpset'... or 'pisa' (which I'm beginning to like better).. Ed
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Has anyone suggested "Oyster", or is that too obvious? __ Matt Youell - "Think different, just like everyone else." [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.youell.com/matt/
Re: So, we need a code name...
Edward Peschko writes: : also - why does it have to be tied to perl (in name) at all? Er, because we're writing it? : I like the idea : that it would *not* be tied to perl, ie: it would be more generic if it was : not named after it. Well, the fact that Tcl and Tk both start with T didn't stop people from abstracting it away. I think that has little to do with the name, but with how generally useful the platform is. : How about 'prism' (ie: multiple languages from one underlying platform)? Do a search for "prism" on Yahoo and then come back with a serious suggestion. There's even a "Prism programming language" out there. (And yes, I did do a search for "perk" before I suggested it.) New-age-techie words like "prism" are an attractive nuisance, and should be avoided if we want people to find our stuff. Larry
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> Too many dead parrot jokes? Too many lousy acronyms? > > Platform-Agnostic Rabidly Rapid Object Thrasher well, it doesn't have to be underlined by an acronym.. and if you don't like parrot, how about a play on the name w/'polly'? > Urque. > > Since it's something underlying Perl, I'd suggest a decrement of > "Perl", which would of course be "Perk". The Java engine would have > to be "Perj", I guess, which seems fitting somehow. The C# engine might > be "Peri" because it's around whether you like it or not. also - why does it have to be tied to perl (in name) at all? I like the idea that it would *not* be tied to perl, ie: it would be more generic if it was not named after it. How about 'prism' (ie: multiple languages from one underlying platform)? Ed
Re: So, we need a code name...
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:32:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Since it's something underlying Perl, I'd suggest a decrement of > "Perl", which would of course be "Perk". The Java engine would have > to be "Perj", I guess, which seems fitting somehow. Shouldn't the Java engine be "Perk" (or perhaps "Perc") is that just too fitting? -- Michael G. Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quality Assurance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kwalitee Is Job One That which stirs me, stirs everything. -- Squonk Opera, "Spoon"
Re: So, we need a code name...
Larry Wall wrote: [...] > Then Perl language variants could go the other way and be: > > PermMicro Perl > PernNano Perl > PeroJava Perl > PerpPython Perl > PerqQuick Perl > PerrRuby Perl > PersStrict Perl > PertTypesafe Perl > PeruUnforgivable Perl > PervVectorized Perl > PerwWonky Perl > PerxExperimental Perl > PeryYet Another Perl > PerzZany Perl > Pesayour ad here > Pesbyour ad here > ... Darn, I was hoping for PerltranFortran Perl
Re: So, we need a code name...
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:32:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: : Edward Peschko writes: : : > : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). : : > : : : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', : : > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', : : > : a'S' which may means'Six' : : > : an 'A' which may means'Alpha' : : > : : > I suggest [1]Peterbilt. : : : : Why not parrot, again? : : Too many dead parrot jokes? Too many lousy acronyms? Indeed. : Platform-Agnostic Rabidly Rapid Object Thrasher : : Urque. : : Since it's something underlying Perl, I'd suggest a decrement of : "Perl", which would of course be "Perk". The Java engine would have : to be "Perj", I guess, which seems fitting somehow. The C# engine might : be "Peri" because it's around whether you like it or not. : : Then Perl language variants could go the other way and be: : : [snipped variations] : : 'Course, at that rate, we eventually get back to "Pisa"... : : Appearances notwithstanding, I am seriously suggesting "Perk". The name : is, er, perky. Hopefully the implementation would be too. I agree. There are "perks" to building Perl 6, etc. "Think happy thoughts Peter" Casey West -- "In case of fire, do your utmost to alarm the hotel porter." --In a Vienna hotel
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Edward Peschko writes: : > : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). : > : : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', : > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', : > : a'S' which may means'Six' : > : an 'A' which may means'Alpha' : > : > I suggest [1]Peterbilt. : : Why not parrot, again? Too many dead parrot jokes? Too many lousy acronyms? Platform-Agnostic Rabidly Rapid Object Thrasher Urque. Since it's something underlying Perl, I'd suggest a decrement of "Perl", which would of course be "Perk". The Java engine would have to be "Perj", I guess, which seems fitting somehow. The C# engine might be "Peri" because it's around whether you like it or not. Then Perl language variants could go the other way and be: PermMicro Perl PernNano Perl PeroJava Perl PerpPython Perl PerqQuick Perl PerrRuby Perl PersStrict Perl PertTypesafe Perl PeruUnforgivable Perl PervVectorized Perl PerwWonky Perl PerxExperimental Perl PeryYet Another Perl PerzZany Perl Pesayour ad here Pesbyour ad here ... 'Course, at that rate, we eventually get back to "Pisa"... Appearances notwithstanding, I am seriously suggesting "Perk". The name is, er, perky. Hopefully the implementation would be too. Larry
Re: So, we need a code name...
> : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). > : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', > : a'S' which may means'Six' > : an 'A' which may means'Alpha' > > I suggest [1]Peterbilt. Why not parrot, again? Ed
