Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Seg, 2009-08-10 at 22:06 -0500, raiph mellor wrote: > > Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. > This latter point is the most exciting for me. "What is Rakudo Star? > Well, it's..." > A Beatles drummer ? -- Jose Celestino SAPO.pt::Systems http://www.sapo.pt - * Progress (n.): The process through which Usenet has evolved from smart people in front of dumb terminals to dumb people in front of smart terminals. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Perhaps we could name the incomplete releases "Rakudo Bikeshed". Each release could be named after a popular color of bikeshed. The first one should definitely be called "Rakudo White Bikeshed". -j
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
raiph (>), Larry (>>): >> Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. > > Why do I get the sense that some in the community are suffering siege > mentality? ;) > > I had thought of things like Zen, Zero, Catalyst, etc. > > But I love * | Star | Whatever. I love: > o The word Star, regardless of its connection with Perl 6. > o Insider reference to a cool feature of Perl 6. > o Rakudo* as an alternate that invites footnote-fu. > o Evoking "whatever works" instead of all of Perl 6.0.0. > o Evoking "whatever" to invite ongoing definition of what it is. > > This latter point is the most exciting for me. "What is Rakudo Star? > Well, it's..." > > I would love to see this meme encouraged, the notion that we all get > to continuously (re)define just what Rakudo Star is. Seconded. Well put. // Carl
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
> Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. Why do I get the sense that some in the community are suffering siege mentality? ;) I had thought of things like Zen, Zero, Catalyst, etc. But I love * | Star | Whatever. I love: o The word Star, regardless of its connection with Perl 6. o Insider reference to a cool feature of Perl 6. o Rakudo* as an alternate that invites footnote-fu. o Evoking "whatever works" instead of all of Perl 6.0.0. o Evoking "whatever" to invite ongoing definition of what it is. This latter point is the most exciting for me. "What is Rakudo Star? Well, it's..." I would love to see this meme encouraged, the notion that we all get to continuously (re)define just what Rakudo Star is. -- love, raiph
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. Larry
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Since I don't know anything about nuclear power plants, I think the BikeShed should be painted blue and called "Rakudo Whatever" or just "Rakudo". -Jason "s1n" Switzer
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Given the Japanese behind the name Rakudo, "rakudone" looks like a question: "Rakudo, right?" Beats "rakuod", though. On 8/10/09, James Fuller wrote: > how about > > 'raku' > > then the final version could be called > > 'rakudone' > > Jim Fuller > -- Sent from my mobile device Mark J. Reed
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
how about 'raku' then the final version could be called 'rakudone' Jim Fuller
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Then you could be like TeX and have releases numbered with ever-increasing parts of an irrational number. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: > Wrong reply button... > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Mark J. Reed" > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:36:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite? > To: Gabor Szabo > > That has the same problem as lots of other themes - it puts a hard > limit on the number of releases before the One True Rakudo. > Maybe you could call it Zeno's Camel (project motto: "halfway done!") > and have releases numbered 0.5, 0.75, 0.875, 0.9375,... :) > > On 8/10/09, Gabor Szabo wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Patrick R. Michaud >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:35:42PM -0600, David Green wrote: >>>> On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: >>>>> Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that >>>>> one. >>>>> "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? >>>> >>>> Rakudo ** (aka "Rakudo Exponentiation")? Though I think Patrick is >>>> optimistic that development will proceed exponentially enough that a >>>> single interim release will be enough to hold us over until Christmas. >>> >>> I'm not sure I'm quite THAT optimistic. :-) We may end up with >>> multiple interim releases in the Rakudo Star series before we reach >>> Christmas. (And yes, they may even be *+1, *+2, etc.) >>> >>> In some ways I'm starting to think of "Star" (or whatever designation >>> we end up using) as a label for a series of interim releases in the >>> same sense that NASA used "Gemini" as the label for the program >>> came between "Mercury" and "Apollo". >>> >>> In other words, "Star" may really end up being a designation for a >>> program of planned releases with certain major objectives that >>> cumulatively lead up to the ultimate goal of a "full Perl 6 release". >>> >>> The precise details are still a little ill-formed in my head at the >>> moment, but as they come together (and are expressed in planning >>> documents) I'll be blogging or writing about them appropriately. >>> >> >> >> my bikeshed would go along the lines of >> >> @rakudo[*-100] >> @rakudo[*-99] >> ... >> >> Gabor >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Mark J. Reed > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Mark J. Reed >
Fwd: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Wrong reply button... -- Forwarded message -- From: "Mark J. Reed" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:36:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite? To: Gabor Szabo That has the same problem as lots of other themes - it puts a hard limit on the number of releases before the One True Rakudo. Maybe you could call it Zeno's Camel (project motto: "halfway done!") and have releases numbered 0.5, 0.75, 0.875, 0.9375,... :) On 8/10/09, Gabor Szabo wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Patrick R. Michaud > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:35:42PM -0600, David Green wrote: >>> On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: >>>> Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that >>>> one. >>>> "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? >>> >>> Rakudo ** (aka "Rakudo Exponentiation")? Though I think Patrick is >>> optimistic that development will proceed exponentially enough that a >>> single interim release will be enough to hold us over until Christmas. >> >> I'm not sure I'm quite THAT optimistic. :-) We may end up with >> multiple interim releases in the Rakudo Star series before we reach >> Christmas. (And yes, they may even be *+1, *+2, etc.) >> >> In some ways I'm starting to think of "Star" (or whatever designation >> we end up using) as a label for a series of interim releases in the >> same sense that NASA used "Gemini" as the label for the program >> came between "Mercury" and "Apollo". >> >> In other words, "Star" may really end up being a designation for a >> program of planned releases with certain major objectives that >> cumulatively lead up to the ultimate goal of a "full Perl 6 release". >> >> The precise details are still a little ill-formed in my head at the >> moment, but as they come together (and are expressed in planning >> documents) I'll be blogging or writing about them appropriately. >> > > > my bikeshed would go along the lines of > > @rakudo[*-100] > @rakudo[*-99] > ... > > Gabor > -- Sent from my mobile device Mark J. Reed -- Sent from my mobile device Mark J. Reed
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:35:42PM -0600, David Green wrote: >> On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: >>> Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that >>> one. >>> "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? >> >> Rakudo ** (aka "Rakudo Exponentiation")? Though I think Patrick is >> optimistic that development will proceed exponentially enough that a >> single interim release will be enough to hold us over until Christmas. > > I'm not sure I'm quite THAT optimistic. :-) We may end up with > multiple interim releases in the Rakudo Star series before we reach > Christmas. (And yes, they may even be *+1, *+2, etc.) > > In some ways I'm starting to think of "Star" (or whatever designation > we end up using) as a label for a series of interim releases in the > same sense that NASA used "Gemini" as the label for the program > came between "Mercury" and "Apollo". > > In other words, "Star" may really end up being a designation for a > program of planned releases with certain major objectives that > cumulatively lead up to the ultimate goal of a "full Perl 6 release". > > The precise details are still a little ill-formed in my head at the > moment, but as they come together (and are expressed in planning > documents) I'll be blogging or writing about them appropriately. > my bikeshed would go along the lines of @rakudo[*-100] @rakudo[*-99] ... Gabor
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:35:42PM -0600, David Green wrote: > On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: >> Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that >> one. >> "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? > > Rakudo ** (aka "Rakudo Exponentiation")? Though I think Patrick is > optimistic that development will proceed exponentially enough that a > single interim release will be enough to hold us over until Christmas. I'm not sure I'm quite THAT optimistic. :-) We may end up with multiple interim releases in the Rakudo Star series before we reach Christmas. (And yes, they may even be *+1, *+2, etc.) In some ways I'm starting to think of "Star" (or whatever designation we end up using) as a label for a series of interim releases in the same sense that NASA used "Gemini" as the label for the program came between "Mercury" and "Apollo". In other words, "Star" may really end up being a designation for a program of planned releases with certain major objectives that cumulatively lead up to the ultimate goal of a "full Perl 6 release". The precise details are still a little ill-formed in my head at the moment, but as they come together (and are expressed in planning documents) I'll be blogging or writing about them appropriately. Pm
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On 2009-Aug-9, at 6:30 am, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Its just that */star/whatever doesnt convey [to me] the fact that its a sub-set of of Perl6. I like "*"... it has more personality than "lite". (Or even "light".) Though since it's a subset, we could always call it "Rakudo ⊂"! On 2009-Aug-9, at 12:29 pm, Henry Baragar wrote: Ruby anyone? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rake_(software). You mean call it "Rakudo Ruby" because Ruby has only part of the features of P6? We could name interim releases after competing brands as they get left behind: Rakudo Ruby, Rakudo Python, Rakudo P5 (We're already too late for "Rakudo PHP", I'm afraid.) On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that one. "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? Rakudo ** (aka "Rakudo Exponentiation")? Though I think Patrick is optimistic that development will proceed exponentially enough that a single interim release will be enough to hold us over until Christmas. -David
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:57:16PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a > > > cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? > > > > Hmmm, that's a very reasonable name. Over the past few days I've > > become a little attached to "Rakudo Star", but I agree that > > "Rakudo light" might be a bit more descriptive. I'll have to > > mull it over a while. > [...] > I like "Rakudo Star". It doesn't try to be descriptive. It's just a name. Based on #perl6 discussions and a few other threads, I've decided we'll stick with "Rakudo Star". It's non-descriptiveness is an asset at this point. Pm
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:19:44AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:30:07PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > > Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of > > Rakudo, a suggestion: > > > > Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a > > cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? > > Hmmm, that's a very reasonable name. Over the past few days I've > become a little attached to "Rakudo Star", but I agree that > "Rakudo light" might be a bit more descriptive. I'll have to > mull it over a while. Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that one. "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? I like "Rakudo Star". It doesn't try to be descriptive. It's just a name. Tim.
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Ruby anyone? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rake_(software). Henry On August 9, 2009 11:44:24 am Austin Hastings wrote: > How about "Rake"? > > =Austin > > Richard Hainsworth wrote: > > Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of > > Rakudo, a suggestion: > > > > Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a > > cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? > > > > Its just that */star/whatever doesnt convey [to me] the fact that its > > a sub-set of of Perl6. > > > > -lite seems [to me] to be used to define a functional, but stripped > > down version of a larger spec. > > > > Richard (finanalyst) -- Henry Baragar Instantiated Software
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
How about "Rake"? =Austin Richard Hainsworth wrote: Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of Rakudo, a suggestion: Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? Its just that */star/whatever doesnt convey [to me] the fact that its a sub-set of of Perl6. -lite seems [to me] to be used to define a functional, but stripped down version of a larger spec. Richard (finanalyst)
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Rakudo Light Rakudo Star Light Rakudo Rock Star Rakudo Hard Rock Rakudo Play Hard Rakudo Play Just musing...
Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:30:07PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of > Rakudo, a suggestion: > > Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a > cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? Hmmm, that's a very reasonable name. Over the past few days I've become a little attached to "Rakudo Star", but I agree that "Rakudo light" might be a bit more descriptive. I'll have to mull it over a while. Pm
Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?
Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of Rakudo, a suggestion: Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended to be a cut-down version of perl6.0.0 that is useable, how about Rakudo-lite? Its just that */star/whatever doesnt convey [to me] the fact that its a sub-set of of Perl6. -lite seems [to me] to be used to define a functional, but stripped down version of a larger spec. Richard (finanalyst)
