Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Why use Perl 6 at this time what are the benefits besides what it has done (Moose-declare) object oriented programming for Perl 5? Sent from my iPhone Wendell Hatcher wendell_hatc...@comcast.net 303-520-7554 Blogsite: http://thoughtsofaperlprogrammer.typepad.com/blog On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:02 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: > Hi, > > I am preparing a survey of the Perl Ecosystem which will take the TPF > survey and extend it. > We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should > be also questions > about Perl 6. > So far I came up with only one: > > How much Perl 6 do you know ? > answers: > - none > - I read some of the docs and wrote small snippets of code > - I wrote module(s) > - I use it in production environment > > I'd be happy to get your input on how else would you put this question or > what possible other answers you would allow. > > If you have other ideas what you would like to ask the greater > Perl Ecosystem please let me know that too. > > regards > Gabor > > > Gabor Szabo http://szabgab.com/ > Perl Ecosystem Group http://perl-ecosystem.org/
Questions for Survey about Perl
Hello there, I think my opinion would be just about the same as many others is: 1) The preface of specification book states that perl 6 is a NEW language and it shares ideas with perl 5 and both equally benefit from each other- so that gives a good question, why should I learn it if both cover the same area of problems.(I did read the book many times though and I'm learning it) 2) Second issue is probably the lack of tools, such as ide(I use vim). It's only recently I found out that there is such tool as Padre. I.e I use Arch as a distro and padre isn't in a main repository(neither is rakudo, which leads me to build it every time it comes out and make a package). Best regards, Konstantin 2010/12/29 Gabor Szabo On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth > wrote: > > Gabor, > > > > there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How > > about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ? > > > > How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so > as > > to see how many people are following the process passively, and how many > are > > contributing in some way. > > > > How about a question concerning respondents perceptions of perl6 as a > > language they would like to use, or something comparing the language with > > othr languages. > > > > If these are in line with the aim of the survey and you want, I could > write > > the questions and provide possible graded answers. > > > > These sound like good ideas. > We are interested both in usage and in the involvement of people in > the development of Perl 5/6, CPAN > and in the obstacles people see. > > So in relation to what Katherine wrote earlier we should have a > question trying to figure out what are people waiting for before they > start using Perl 6. > Also I'd like to be able to figure out what could make more people > contribute to the development. On any levels so that would include > implementing part of Rakudo or writing tests or docs or any other area > of involvement. > > The answers can be either single choice or multiple choice with a > limit to the number of choices and we can always provide a comment > field. > > Your help in preparing the questions is appreciated! > > regards >Gabor >
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:03, Moritz Lenz wrote: snip > What do you think about the relation between 5 and 6 > * I don't > * Perl 6 hurts Perl 5 > * Perl 5 benefits from Perl 5 > * The two are mostly independent snip As for the third option, I think Perl 5 is hurt by Perl 5, but benefits from Perl 6. -- Chas. Owens wonkden.net The most important skill a programmer can have is the ability to read.
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Hi, On 12/29/2010 08:02 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: > I'd be happy to get your input on how else would you put this question or > what possible other answers you would allow. Here are some very rough ideas: How much do you know about Perl 6? * nothing except the name * some design ideas or history * enough for very simple programs * solid knowledge How do you keep informed about Perl 6 (multiple answers)? * I don't * general tech news sites (slashdot, reddit, lwn, ...) * mailing lists * Perl 6 specific blogs or blog aggregators * other (please comment) What do you think about the relation between 5 and 6 * I don't * Perl 6 hurts Perl 5 * Perl 5 benefits from Perl 5 * The two are mostly independent Cheers, Moritz
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: > So in relation to what Katherine wrote earlier we should have a > question trying to figure out what are people waiting for before they > start using Perl 6. That's an excellent question. Possible answers: * I'm waiting for a specific feature to be implemented in Rakudo. * Rakudo is too slow. * I didn't realize Rakudo was ready for use. * Other [ fill in the blank ] Daniel. -- No trees were destroyed in the generation of this email, but a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Gabor, > > there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How > about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ? I agree. Although I don't use Perl 6 in production yet, for Perl 5 I can say that I've never written a module, but I've used it a lot in production. In fact... I might even suggest dropping the "modules" one, because you might have used Perl 6 in production without ever writing a module (as I have done for Perl 5). Unless you include toy modules that are better categorized as "code snippets" for learning the language, in which case they rank lower than "used Perl to solve real problems". So I vote for removing the "modules" one. I have another question: If you use Perl 6 for your research (e.g. Masters thesis, PhD thesis, or university research), does that count as "production environment" or just "real problems"? Daniel. -- No trees were destroyed in the generation of this email, but a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Gabor, > > there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How > about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ? > > How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so as > to see how many people are following the process passively, and how many are > contributing in some way. > > How about a question concerning respondents perceptions of perl6 as a > language they would like to use, or something comparing the language with > othr languages. > > If these are in line with the aim of the survey and you want, I could write > the questions and provide possible graded answers. > These sound like good ideas. We are interested both in usage and in the involvement of people in the development of Perl 5/6, CPAN and in the obstacles people see. So in relation to what Katherine wrote earlier we should have a question trying to figure out what are people waiting for before they start using Perl 6. Also I'd like to be able to figure out what could make more people contribute to the development. On any levels so that would include implementing part of Rakudo or writing tests or docs or any other area of involvement. The answers can be either single choice or multiple choice with a limit to the number of choices and we can always provide a comment field. Your help in preparing the questions is appreciated! regards Gabor
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Gabor, there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ? How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so as to see how many people are following the process passively, and how many are contributing in some way. How about a question concerning respondents perceptions of perl6 as a language they would like to use, or something comparing the language with othr languages. If these are in line with the aim of the survey and you want, I could write the questions and provide possible graded answers. Richard On 12/29/2010 10:02 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: Hi, I am preparing a survey of the Perl Ecosystem which will take the TPF survey and extend it. We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should be also questions about Perl 6. So far I came up with only one: How much Perl 6 do you know ? answers: - none - I read some of the docs and wrote small snippets of code - I wrote module(s) - I use it in production environment I'd be happy to get your input on how else would you put this question or what possible other answers you would allow. If you have other ideas what you would like to ask the greater Perl Ecosystem please let me know that too. regards Gabor Gabor Szabo http://szabgab.com/ Perl Ecosystem Group http://perl-ecosystem.org/
