Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 02:16:29PM -0500,
 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 a message of 8 lines which said:

  It is of course very inconvenient to duplicate my LDAP database into
  pg_ident.conf. Is there a better way?
 
 Perhaps you can find a PAM plugin that talks to LDAP, and configure
 Postgres to use that.

It already exists (I tried it) but it does not suit my needs since it
asks for the password (and I'm already logged in, I don't want to type
a password again).

The real issue is Why PostgreSQL does not use getpwuid when
getsockopt with SO_PEERCREED returns a numeric UID? This would give
to PostgreSQL the real and correct user name :-(

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Florian G. Pflug
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
All the user accounts, including mine, are in a LDAP database. Thanks
to NSS (Name Service Switch) all applications have access to the LDAP
accounts (getpwuid(3) and getpwnam(3) use LDAP). But not PostgreSQL.
I did similar setups and both gentoo and debian/sarge, and this was 
never a problem.

Might it be that the postgres user is not allowed to read /etc/ldap.conf 
- or however your nss_ldap config file is called? I'd try su-ing to the
postgres user, and check if everything (ls -l /home, ... - you get the 
idea) works as expected.

When I connect locally (Linux as SO_PEERCRED so the ident daemon is
not used) with the ident method, I get rejected.
If I create an ident map to map the numeric UID to my name, it works:
# MAPNAME IDENT-USERNAMEPG-USERNAME
ldapuser  1000  bortzmeyer
If all else fails, you could create this via a shellscript from your 
ldap database - but of course thats ugly...

greetings, Florian Pflug


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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The real issue is Why PostgreSQL does not use getpwuid when
 getsockopt with SO_PEERCREED returns a numeric UID?

Oh?  I read in hba.c

if (getsockopt(sock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_PEERCRED, peercred, so_len) != 0 ||
so_len != sizeof(peercred))
{
/* We didn't get a valid credentials struct. */
ereport(LOG,
(errcode_for_socket_access(),
 errmsg(could not get peer credentials: %m)));
return false;
}

pass = getpwuid(peercred.uid);

so it sure looks like we *are* using getpwuid.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:04:32AM +0100,
 Florian G. Pflug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 a message of 114 lines which said:

 Might it be that the postgres user is not allowed to read
 /etc/ldap.conf - or however your nss_ldap config file is called? 

myriam:~ % ls -ld /etc/*ldap*
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Oct 18 17:17 /etc/ldap
-rw---  1 root root   13 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/ldap.secret
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 8442 Oct 18 17:27 /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 7070 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/pam_ldap.conf

 I'd try su-ing to the postgres user, and check if everything (ls -l
 /home, ... - you get the idea) works as expected.

It does:
myriam:~ % id
uid=104(postgres) gid=108(postgres) groups=108(postgres)

myriam:~ % ls -l /home/bortzmeyer 
total 68
drwxr-sr-x   3 bortzmeyer staff 4096 Nov 19 11:47 AFGNIC

While bortzmeyer is not on /etc/passwd, only in LDAP.
 
So, we still have a mystery :-(

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:03:25AM -0500,
 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 a message of 21 lines which said:

 pass = getpwuid(peercred.uid);
 
 so it sure looks like we *are* using getpwuid.

You're right but I do not understand why it fails only with
PostgreSQL.

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Marco Colombo
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:04:32AM +0100,
Florian G. Pflug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 114 lines which said:
Might it be that the postgres user is not allowed to read
/etc/ldap.conf - or however your nss_ldap config file is called?
myriam:~ % ls -ld /etc/*ldap*
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Oct 18 17:17 /etc/ldap
-rw---  1 root root   13 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/ldap.secret
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 8442 Oct 18 17:27 /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 7070 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/pam_ldap.conf
I'd try su-ing to the postgres user, and check if everything (ls -l
/home, ... - you get the idea) works as expected.
It does:
myriam:~ % id
uid=104(postgres) gid=108(postgres) groups=108(postgres)
myriam:~ % ls -l /home/bortzmeyer
total 68
drwxr-sr-x   3 bortzmeyer staff 4096 Nov 19 11:47 AFGNIC
While bortzmeyer is not on /etc/passwd, only in LDAP.
So, we still have a mystery :-(
Does Debian include and activate SELinux?
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[GENERAL] Compatible Dumps

2005-03-03 Thread Jake Stride
Is there a way to make a postgresql 8 database dump work with 7.4? I.E I 
want to do a dump from 8.0 on one machine and put it into a database 
running on 7.4 on another?

Thanks
Jake
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Re: [GENERAL] Index size

2005-03-03 Thread Ioannis Theoharis


All you said are wright. But it 's not so difficult for postgresql to hold
on a bit attribute attached to each table the information, whether there
is done an insertion/deletion/update to a clustered table or not.

And i guess, postgresql would already implement this simply alternative.


 Easy, if you CLUSTER a table, it's CLUSTERed then. But it doesn't stay
 that way. As soon as you insert a new row, or update an old one, it
 gets added to the end (the only place with space) and now it's not
 clustered anymore. It's almost clustered and from a caching point of
 view it's fine. But postgresql can't assume at any point a table will
 stay clustered, an insert could happen in the middle of your
 processing.

 Logically you can't magically add space in the middle of a file, you
 have to move everything else up. If you know an efficient way to keep a
 table clustered while handling arbitrary inserts and updates, I'd be
 curious to know...

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Re: [GENERAL] Compatible Dumps

2005-03-03 Thread Richard Huxton
Jake Stride wrote:
Is there a way to make a postgresql 8 database dump work with 7.4? I.E I 
want to do a dump from 8.0 on one machine and put it into a database 
running on 7.4 on another?
Haven't tried this yet, but apart from turning off dollar-quoting for 
functions, it should just work. If you want to test it, try a 
schema-only dump+restore first.

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] 'ident' method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Florian Pflug
On Thu, March 3, 2005 12:00, Marco Colombo said:
 On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:04:32AM +0100,
 Florian G. Pflug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
 a message of 114 lines which said:

 Might it be that the postgres user is not allowed to read
 /etc/ldap.conf - or however your nss_ldap config file is called?

 myriam:~ % ls -ld /etc/*ldap*
 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Oct 18 17:17 /etc/ldap
 -rw---  1 root root   13 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/ldap.secret
 -rw-r--r--  1 root root 8442 Oct 18 17:27 /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
 -rw-r--r--  1 root root 7070 Oct 18 17:19 /etc/pam_ldap.conf

 I'd try su-ing to the postgres user, and check if everything (ls -l
 /home, ... - you get the idea) works as expected.

 It does:
 myriam:~ % id
 uid=104(postgres) gid=108(postgres) groups=108(postgres)

 myriam:~ % ls -l /home/bortzmeyer
 total 68
 drwxr-sr-x   3 bortzmeyer staff 4096 Nov 19 11:47 AFGNIC

 While bortzmeyer is not on /etc/passwd, only in LDAP.

 So, we still have a mystery :-(
Seems so.. you could try to start the postmaster via strace -f, and
capture the log
(strace -f postmaster -- postmaster-opts 21  /tmp/postmaster.strace)

Then try to connect, and see what happens - you should see the postmaster
open your pam_ldap.conf, and then try to connect to your ldap server.
Maybe you find some hint in the strace log on whats going on...

Maybe it's also worth trying to start the postmaster by hand - the
init-script might set some different env-variables or paths than what you
have set in an interactive shell...

 Does Debian include and activate SELinux?
There are selinux-versions of debian, but in vanilla debian/sarge (and
debian/woody, and debian/sid), there is no selinux support - at least, I
never stumbled upon this, and I use quite a few debian machines).

greetings, Florian Pflug


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[GENERAL] Postgresql driver

2005-03-03 Thread Philip Pinkerton
I am trying to develop an application to access postgresql DB using QT 
developer however when running the developer it cannot find the DB driver?

How can I make the driver available to QT?
Any Ideas would be helpful
Philip

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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 12:00:51PM +0100,
 Marco Colombo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 a message of 39 lines which said:

 Does Debian include and activate SELinux?

Not at all.

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[GENERAL] Does IMMUTABLE have any effect on functions?

2005-03-03 Thread Thomas Schoen
Hi,
i wonder if the attribute IMMUTABLE has any effect on functions.
Maybe its not implemented yet?
I tried the following:
CREATE TABLE foo (bar int4);
CREATE FUNCTION foo(int4)
RETURNS int4
AS '
INSERT INTO foo (bar) VALUES ($1);
SELECT $1;
' LANGUAGE 'sql' IMMUTABLE;
...now without any transaction...
select * from foo(1);
 foo
-
   1
(1 row)
SELECT * FROM foo;
 bar
-
   1
(1 row)
select * from foo(1);
 foo
-
   1
(1 row)
SELECT * FROM foo;
 bar
-
   1
   1
(1 row)
In my expectations the 2nd function call should not have added a new row 
to table foo, beacause it was called with the same parameter and is 
immutable.

The same happens when i try to call the function twice within a single 
transaction.

Maybe the IMMUTABLE attribute is just some sort of comment?
greets, Tom Schön
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Re: [GENERAL] Does IMMUTABLE have any effect on functions?

2005-03-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
Lookup the docs, but IMMUTABLE and other such tags are hints to the
optimiser. If a function is immutable then the optimiser can optimise
away any invocations. If your function isn't actually immutable you've
just caused a problem.

They don't affect the actual function at all...

On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:17:17PM +0100, Thomas Schoen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 i wonder if the attribute IMMUTABLE has any effect on functions.
 Maybe its not implemented yet?

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Re: [GENERAL] Compatible Dumps

2005-03-03 Thread Jake Stride
Richard Huxton wrote:
Jake Stride wrote:
Is there a way to make a postgresql 8 database dump work with 7.4? 
I.E I want to do a dump from 8.0 on one machine and put it into a 
database running on 7.4 on another?

Haven't tried this yet, but apart from turning off dollar-quoting for 
functions, it should just work. If you want to test it, try a 
schema-only dump+restore first.

That helps a bit, but I still have the following issue:
ERROR:  function pg_catalog.pg_get_serial_sequence(unknown, unknown) 
does not exist

Any ideas how to get around this?
Thanks
Jake
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Re: [GENERAL] Compatible Dumps

2005-03-03 Thread Richard Huxton
Jake Stride wrote:
That helps a bit, but I still have the following issue:
ERROR:  function pg_catalog.pg_get_serial_sequence(unknown, unknown) 
does not exist

Any ideas how to get around this?
Hmm - before 8.0 there wasn't an easy way to figure out the name of a 
sequence attached to a column. This function is the easy way to do that, 
but is (of course) not present in 7.x

Assuming your sequences all have default names, and are in the public 
schema, you could write a simple function:

CREATE FUNCTION my_pg_get_serial_sequence(text,text) RETURNS text AS '
  SELECT ''public.'' || $1 || ''_'' || $2 || ''_seq'';
' LANGUAGE SQL;
Then a quick bit of sed/perl search  replace-ing and you're away.
This *will* break if the target table (1st param) is in a different 
schema than public, or if you have non-default sequence names.
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Re: [GENERAL] [Auth] ident method and LDAP user accounts

2005-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 so it sure looks like we *are* using getpwuid.

 You're right but I do not understand why it fails only with
 PostgreSQL.

Perhaps one of the pile of random libraries we include is supplying a
broken version of getpwuid?

I concur with the suggestion to try strace'ing to compare PG's behavior
to something that works (such as ls).

regards, tom lane

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Re: [GENERAL] Does IMMUTABLE have any effect on functions?

2005-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Schoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 In my expectations the 2nd function call should not have added a new row 
 to table foo, beacause it was called with the same parameter and is 
 immutable.

IMMUTABLE is a promise from you to the database (a promise which you
broke, in this case) ... not vice versa.  There is no commitment to
avoid duplicate evaluations in all cases, and certainly not to do so
across multiple queries.

BTW, PG 8.0 will flat out reject this function, because it is violating
the requirement that immutable functions not have side-effects.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [GENERAL] Disabling triggers in a transaction

2005-03-03 Thread Terry Lee Tucker
This caught my eye the other day, but didn't take the time to examine it. I 
find that I am now very interested in it. Could you please elaborate on your 
method and how this works?

TIA

On Sunday 27 February 2005 05:37 pm, Jay Guerette saith:
 If I disable INSERT and UPDATE triggers inside a transaction; by
 setting and resetting reltriggers in pg_class; am I correct in
 thinking that this will disable triggers globally for that table for
 the duration of that transaction? So an INSERT or UPDATE to this
 table, outside of the transaction and within that precise timeframe,
 would NOT fire the trigger? If so, would the 'serializable ' isolation
 level be required in order to ensure this doesn't happen?

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Re: [GENERAL] PL/Perl trusted throws error on example function

2005-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
Frank Finner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 error from Perl function: trusted Perl functions disabled - please
 upgrade Perl Safe module to version 2.09 or later at (eval 4) line 1.

What do you get from
perl -e 'require Safe; print $Safe::VERSION\n'

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Re: [GENERAL] PL/Perl trusted throws error on example function

2005-03-03 Thread Frank Finner
Hi Tom,

I found an error right between my ears,

means, I had looked at the client__s version of Safe, not thinking
about the fact that I was connected to the database on a server which
actually had Safe installed only with version 2.07. I upgraded Safe now
from CPAN on my server and everything works fine now.

Thanks for your help, it opened my eyes.

Regards, Frank



On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:14:53 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] thought
long, then sat down and wrote:

 Frank Finner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  error from Perl function: trusted Perl functions disabled - please
  upgrade Perl Safe module to version 2.09 or later at (eval 4) line
  1.
 
 What do you get from
   perl -e 'require Safe; print $Safe::VERSION\n'
 
   regards, tom lane

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[GENERAL] unexpected 'aggregates not allowed in where clause' error

2005-03-03 Thread L. Fletcher



Hello,

I am getting a strange "aggregates not allowed in 
where clause" error when I try to execute the below query:

 SELECT 
n.note, pr.property_id AS 
PropertyID FROM property.note 
n INNER JOIN property.rating_note 
rn ON rn.note_id = n.note_id INNER 
JOIN property.propertyrating pr ON pr.property_rating_id = 
rn.property_rating_id WHERE 
pr.property_id IN 
( 
SELECT 
p.property_id 
FROM property.vw_property_summary 
p 
INNER JOIN property.propertyscore ps ON p.property_id = 
ps.property_id 
WHERE (ps.score_type_id = $1 AND p.place_id = 
$2) 
OR (ps.score_type_id = $3 AND p.place_id = 
$4) 
) AND pr.created_date 
= 
( SELECT 
MIN(pr.created_date) FROM property.propertyrating 
pr2 WHERE 
pr2.property_rating_id = 
pr.property_rating_id 
ORDER BY pr.created_date DESC LIMIT 
5 );

Please note that the aggregate is within a subquery 
of the where clause, and not in the where clause proper. Is this error message a 
bug or am I doing something wrong?


Re: [GENERAL] Compatible Dumps

2005-03-03 Thread Greg Stark

Richard Huxton dev@archonet.com writes:

 This *will* break if the target table (1st param) is in a different schema 
 than
 public, or if you have non-default sequence names.

Including if you've renamed a serial column since creating it, or if your
serial column has an extremely long name.

In practice it works well enough though.

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[GENERAL] hostname change and postgresql

2005-03-03 Thread Mark
Hi,

Simple question:
If I change a hostname (Linux FC2) do I need to do any changes to
Postgresql configurations ?

Thanks,
Mark




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Re: [GENERAL] unexpected 'aggregates not allowed in where clause' error

2005-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
L. Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I am getting a strange aggregates not allowed in where clause error =
 when I try to execute the below query:

 SELECT n.note, pr.property_id AS PropertyID
 FROM property.note n
 INNER JOIN property.rating_note rn ON rn.note_id =3D n.note_id
 INNER JOIN property.propertyrating pr ON pr.property_rating_id =
 =3D rn.property_rating_id
 WHERE pr.property_id IN
 (
   SELECT p.property_id
   FROM property.vw_property_summary p
   INNER JOIN property.propertyscore ps ON p.property_id =3D =
 ps.property_id
   WHERE (ps.score_type_id =3D $1 AND p.place_id =3D $2)
   OR (ps.score_type_id =3D $3 AND p.place_id =3D $4)
 )
 AND pr.created_date =3D
 (
 SELECT MIN(pr.created_date) FROM property.propertyrating pr2
 WHERE pr2.property_rating_id =3D pr.property_rating_id
 ORDER BY pr.created_date DESC LIMIT 5
 );

The error message is correct, because the aggregate is associated with
the outer query's pr table.  Perhaps you meant to write
MIN(pr2.created_date)?

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[GENERAL] Changing Run-time parameters at command line

2005-03-03 Thread OpenMacNews
Hi,
another simple question:
what's the correct command line syntax to change specific run-time parameters, 
e.g. 'client_min_messages'.

I understand you can define/change them in the .conf file ...
an example, or a pointer to RTFM would be great =)
thanks,
richard
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Re: [GENERAL] hostname change and postgresql

2005-03-03 Thread Lonni J Friedman
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:07:53 -0800 (PST), Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Simple question:
 If I change a hostname (Linux FC2) do I need to do any changes to
 Postgresql configurations ?

Only if the IP address associated with it is changing.  Although
remote clients might need to have their configurations updated to find
the new hostname.


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Re: [GENERAL] GUI

2005-03-03 Thread Hrishikesh Deshmukh
Hi All,

A question about joins i have 17 tables in my postgres-DB how does
one perform a join on these many tables!!! :(

Thanks,
H


On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:42:57 -0600, James Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:07 am, Hrishikesh Deshmukh wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I want to spend less time coding and more time running queries against
  the DB which i am building. What about QT from TrollTech!! Can that be
  used to whip up gui real fast! Dreamweaver?
 
  Hrishi
 
 You could use gnue-designer and gnue-forms from www.gnuenterprise.org.  It
 lets you paint the input/query forms by drag and drop fields from the db.
 You can create multi table master/details forms from existing tables in
 seconds that give you insert, update, delete, query capabilities.  You can
 assign triggers to forms to do custom processing.  And if you need more
 customization you can write python scripts using the gnue-common library
 which is the core of our other tools.  I've done that to create custom apps
 that tie our database access system to a ui built with pyqt and qt-designer.
 
 Several of the developers hang out in #gnuenterprise on irc.freenode.net if
 you'd like more info.
 
 Take Care,
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Re: [GENERAL] Disabling triggers in a transaction

2005-03-03 Thread Terry Lee Tucker
Tom,

Do you feel this is a safe method for disabling triggers in the rare cases 
where one finds that it is prudent to do that? Do you think that the column, 
reltriggers, is permanent fixture in pg_class? What is your advice on this?

TIA

On Monday 28 February 2005 03:22 pm, Tom Lane saith:
 Jay Guerette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  If I disable INSERT and UPDATE triggers inside a transaction; by
  setting and resetting reltriggers in pg_class; am I correct in
  thinking that this will disable triggers globally for that table for
  the duration of that transaction?

 Not if you never commit the pg_class row in that state.

   regards, tom lane

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Re: [GENERAL] GUI

2005-03-03 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2005, 14:35 -0500 schrieb Hrishikesh Deshmukh:
 Hi All,
 
 A question about joins i have 17 tables in my postgres-DB how does
 one perform a join on these many tables!!! :(

you just use 16 times the word JOIN ?

HTH
Tino


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[GENERAL] Table inherits...

2005-03-03 Thread Cristian Prieto



When a table inherit another, why it doesn't 
inherit their keys nor fkeys?... How do I change it?


Re: [GENERAL] GUI

2005-03-03 Thread Sean Davis
On Mar 3, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2005, 14:35 -0500 schrieb Hrishikesh Deshmukh:
Hi All,
A question about joins i have 17 tables in my postgres-DB how does
one perform a join on these many tables!!! :(
What are you trying to do?  You have 17 total tables and you want to 
know how to join in general on several of them, or you need to do a 
17-table join?

Sean
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Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL and XML

2005-03-03 Thread John Gray
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:59:14 +, Mario Splivalo wrote:

 Can I use XPath queries in any form to retrive data from XML documents and
 'transfer' them to table-like sets?

 Basically, yes - if you look at the README for contrib/xml2 in the
PostgreSQL source distribution (v8.0.1) there is an example using the
xpath_table function which allows you to run several XPath expressions in
parallel against a set of rows and turn the result into a table. To use
this functionality you will need to build the contrib/xml2 mocule - your
machine will need libxml (http://xmlsoft.org/)

 Something as MSSQL's OPENXML keyword?
 
In a way (from reading half a webpage) - I'm not a user of MSSQL so I
can't really compare against how their functions work!

Regards

John




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Re: [GENERAL] Table inherits...

2005-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 15:53, Cristian Prieto wrote:
 When a table inherit another, why it doesn't inherit their keys nor
 fkeys?... How do I change it?

There are basic architectural problems that need to be overcome before
that would happen.  The only way to change it right now is to check out
the CVS source code and program it yourself.  not a small job, or
someone would have done it by now.

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Re: [GENERAL] Table inherits...

2005-03-03 Thread Cristian Prieto
Thanks!
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On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 15:53, Cristian Prieto wrote:
When a table inherit another, why it doesn't inherit their keys nor
fkeys?... How do I change it?
There are basic architectural problems that need to be overcome before
that would happen.  The only way to change it right now is to check out
the CVS source code and program it yourself.  not a small job, or
someone would have done it by now.

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Re: [GENERAL] GUI

2005-03-03 Thread Hrishikesh Deshmukh
Hi,
I want to do a 17 table join! :( But a general idea will help.

Thanks,
H


On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:56:13 -0500, Sean Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 3, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
 
  Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2005, 14:35 -0500 schrieb Hrishikesh Deshmukh:
  Hi All,
 
  A question about joins i have 17 tables in my postgres-DB how does
  one perform a join on these many tables!!! :(
 
 
 What are you trying to do?  You have 17 total tables and you want to
 know how to join in general on several of them, or you need to do a
 17-table join?
 
 Sean
 


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[GENERAL] preserving data after updates

2005-03-03 Thread Scott Frankel
Is there a canonical form that db schema designers use
to save changes to the data in their databases?
For example, given a table with rows of data, if I UPDATE
a field in a row, the previous value is lost.  If I wanted to
track the changes to my data over time, it occurs to me that
I could,
1) copy the whole row of data using the new value, thus
 leaving the old row intact in the db for fishing expeditions,
 posterity, c.
 -- awfully wasteful, especially with binary data
2) enter a new row that contains only new data fields, requiring
 building a full set of data through heavy lifting and multiple 
queries
 through 'n' number of old rows
 -- overly complex query design probably leading to errors

3) create a new table that tracks changes
 -- the table is either wide enough to mirror all columns in
 the working table, or uses generic columns and API tricks to
 parse token pair strings, ...
4) other?
Thanks
Scott
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Re: [GENERAL] GUI

2005-03-03 Thread Robby Russell
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 18:00 -0500, Hrishikesh Deshmukh wrote:
 Hi,
 I want to do a 17 table join! :( But a general idea will help.
 
 Thanks,
 H

Try here to start:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/tutorial-join.html


 SELECT *
 FROM weather LEFT OUTER JOIN cities ON (weather.city = cities.name);


Cheers,

Robby

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Re: [GENERAL] Disabling triggers in a transaction

2005-03-03 Thread Geoffrey
Terry Lee Tucker wrote:
Tom,
Do you feel this is a safe method for disabling triggers in the rare cases 
where one finds that it is prudent to do that? Do you think that the column, 
reltriggers, is permanent fixture in pg_class? What is your advice on this?
I'd be quite interested in this as well.  Can one depend on this column 
in the future?  Even if not, as long as one verifies it still exists, is 
this a viable option for trigger control within a transaction?

(This guy Tucker comes up with some interesting stuff...)  :)
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