Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-23 Thread Jasen Betts
On 2009-07-20, APseudoUtopia  wrote:
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> Hey,
>
> I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my
> postgresql server. I'm deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall when
> backing up the server. As far as I can tell, pg_dumpall cannot compress the
> dumps automatically and it only dumps data in the standard SQL text file
> format. This means that I would not be able to use pg_restore to selectively
> restore the database, correct?
>
> What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than all
> the databases)? Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? Roles?
> Views?

roles mostly AIUI

> I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only dumps in
> the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be compressed
> automatically.

you can pipe its product through your favourite stream compressor (lzma, bzip2,
gzip etc)


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Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread Steve Crawford

John R Pierce wrote:

APseudoUtopia wrote:
...


I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only 
dumps in the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be 
compressed automatically.


pgdumpall    | gzip > dumpfile.sql.gz



That deals with compression. But if you want to use the new 
parallel-restore feature in 8.4 pg_restore which can be *way* faster if 
you have multiple cores available then you will need to backup using 
pg_dump with the custom format (-Fc).


Cheers,
Steve


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Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread John R Pierce

APseudoUtopia wrote:

Hey,

I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my 
postgresql server. I'm deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall 
when backing up the server. As far as I can tell, pg_dumpall cannot 
compress the dumps automatically and it only dumps data in the 
standard SQL text file format. This means that I would not be able to 
use pg_restore to selectively restore the database, correct?


What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than 
all the databases)? Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? 
Roles? Views?


views are part of a database, so they are included, so are user defined 
functions.whats not included are, primarily, roles/users.


I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only 
dumps in the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be 
compressed automatically.


pgdumpall    | gzip > dumpfile.sql.gz



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Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread Ben Chobot

APseudoUtopia wrote:
I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my 
postgresql server. I'm deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall 
when backing up the server. As far as I can tell, pg_dumpall cannot 
compress the dumps automatically and it only dumps data in the 
standard SQL text file format. This means that I would not be able to 
use pg_restore to selectively restore the database, correct?


What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than 
all the databases)? Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? 
Roles? Views?


I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only 
dumps in the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be 
compressed automatically.


Things that span all databases in your cluster (like your roles) do not 
get saved with pg_dump. So yes, if you only have one database, 
pg_dumpall is probably what you should be using. You can always pipe the 
output of pg_dumpall to your compression program of choice.


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Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:23 PM, APseudoUtopia wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my
> postgresql server. I'm deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall when
> backing up the server. As far as I can tell, pg_dumpall cannot compress the
> dumps automatically and it only dumps data in the standard SQL text file
> format. This means that I would not be able to use pg_restore to selectively
> restore the database, correct?
>
> What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than all
> the databases)? Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? Roles?
> Views?
>
> I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only dumps in
> the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be compressed
> automatically.

I use pg_dump on databases and pg_dumpall --globals to get the user
accounts and such.

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Re: [GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread Greg Williamson

Hi --

> I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my 
> postgresql server. I'm
> deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall when backing up the server. As 
> far as I can tell,
> pg_dumpall cannot compress the dumps automatically and it only dumps data in 
> the standard SQL
> text file format. This means that I would not be able to use pg_restore to 
> selectively restore the
> database, correct?
> 
> What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than all the 
> databases)?
> Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? Roles? Views?

The pg_dumpall gets users and groups that are not dumped in the single database 
versions; I used
to use pg_dump on each of several databases on a given server and then 
pg_dumpall with suitable
parameters to get only those bits and nothing else. User defined stuff, views 
etc. are all in a given
database so they will be in the pg_dump.

HTH,

Greg Williamson



  

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[GENERAL] Server Backup: pg_dump vs pg_dumpall

2009-07-20 Thread APseudoUtopia
Hey,

I'm writing a backup script. Right now, I only have one database on my
postgresql server. I'm deciding if I should use pg_dump or pg_dumpall when
backing up the server. As far as I can tell, pg_dumpall cannot compress the
dumps automatically and it only dumps data in the standard SQL text file
format. This means that I would not be able to use pg_restore to selectively
restore the database, correct?

What is *NOT* included in a pg_dump that IS in pg_dumpall (Other than all
the databases)? Things like user-defined functions and datatypes? Roles?
Views?

I was leaning towards pg_dumpall, but then I realized that it only dumps in
the standard SQL text file format, and it cannot be compressed
automatically.

Thanks for any advice.