[GENERAL] foreign keys to foreign tables
Hello pgsql-general, I'd like to set up a foreign key constraint to a foreign table from a local table. ie, I have a column in a local table that I'd like to ensure has a value in the foreign table. alter mytable add column some_column_id uuid references myforeigntable(some_column_id) ; Unfortunately I get a not a table error when I try this. ERROR: referenced relation myforeigntable is not a table I'm thinking I'll have to write a function that checks for existance of the ids in the foreign table, and then put a CHECK constraint on using that function, but I thought I'd as first if there was a better way. Thanks. -- Rick Otten rottenwindf...@gmail.com
Re: [GENERAL] foreign keys to foreign tables
Thanks Will! I had been considering setting up replication (using SymmetricDS - which we already use between other databases in our environment), but decided for this one check it was too much trouble. I may change my mind on that point again after all if I end up with a lot of dependencies like this or run into performance issues. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM, William Dunn dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rick, As I understand it you are correct. Oracle/DB2/Postgres and I think the SQL Standards to not implement constraints against tables on foreign servers. Although it would be possible to develop the DBMS to handle such constraints in a heterogeneous distributed environment it would be unwise because of the poor performance and reliability of data sent over networks so DBMSs do not implement it. You would, as you suspected, have to use stored procedures to emulate some of the functionality of a foreign key but definitely think twice about the performance bottlenecks you would introduce. A more clever thing to do is use Slony, BDR, or triggers to replicate the foreign table and create the constraint against the local copy. In some other DBMSs the clever thing to do is create a materialized view and constraints against the materialized view (which achieves the same) but Postgres does not yet support such constraints against materialized views. *Will J. Dunn* *willjdunn.com http://willjdunn.com* On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Rick Otten rottenwindf...@gmail.com writes: Hello pgsql-general, I'd like to set up a foreign key constraint to a foreign table from a local table. ie, I have a column in a local table that I'd like to ensure has a value in the foreign table. alter mytable add column some_column_id uuid references myforeigntable(some_column_id) ; Unfortunately I get a not a table error when I try this. ERROR: referenced relation myforeigntable is not a table I'm thinking I'll have to write a function that checks for existance of the ids in the foreign table, and then put a CHECK constraint on using that function, but I thought I'd as first if there was a better way. What's going to happen when the foreign server decides to delete some rows from its table? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] foreign keys to foreign tables
Rick Otten rottenwindf...@gmail.com writes: Hello pgsql-general, I'd like to set up a foreign key constraint to a foreign table from a local table. ie, I have a column in a local table that I'd like to ensure has a value in the foreign table. alter mytable add column some_column_id uuid references myforeigntable(some_column_id) ; Unfortunately I get a not a table error when I try this. ERROR: referenced relation myforeigntable is not a table I'm thinking I'll have to write a function that checks for existance of the ids in the foreign table, and then put a CHECK constraint on using that function, but I thought I'd as first if there was a better way. What's going to happen when the foreign server decides to delete some rows from its table? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] foreign keys to foreign tables
Hello Rick, As I understand it you are correct. Oracle/DB2/Postgres and I think the SQL Standards to not implement constraints against tables on foreign servers. Although it would be possible to develop the DBMS to handle such constraints in a heterogeneous distributed environment it would be unwise because of the poor performance and reliability of data sent over networks so DBMSs do not implement it. You would, as you suspected, have to use stored procedures to emulate some of the functionality of a foreign key but definitely think twice about the performance bottlenecks you would introduce. A more clever thing to do is use Slony, BDR, or triggers to replicate the foreign table and create the constraint against the local copy. In some other DBMSs the clever thing to do is create a materialized view and constraints against the materialized view (which achieves the same) but Postgres does not yet support such constraints against materialized views. *Will J. Dunn* *willjdunn.com http://willjdunn.com* On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Rick Otten rottenwindf...@gmail.com writes: Hello pgsql-general, I'd like to set up a foreign key constraint to a foreign table from a local table. ie, I have a column in a local table that I'd like to ensure has a value in the foreign table. alter mytable add column some_column_id uuid references myforeigntable(some_column_id) ; Unfortunately I get a not a table error when I try this. ERROR: referenced relation myforeigntable is not a table I'm thinking I'll have to write a function that checks for existance of the ids in the foreign table, and then put a CHECK constraint on using that function, but I thought I'd as first if there was a better way. What's going to happen when the foreign server decides to delete some rows from its table? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] foreign keys to foreign tables
Obviously the server will be able to delete those rows because it will be completely unaware of this dependency. So it is the implied reverse constraint (of sorts) that can't be enforced which makes an FK based definition impossible. For my particular use case, this shouldn't be a problem. The foreign table is a reference table which does not typically experience deletes. I'll go with a function for now. Since this happens to be a PostgreSQL-PostgreSQL mapping I'll also consider mapping my table back the other way and then putting a delete trigger on the foreign reference table to either cascade or stop the delete once I decide which I'd rather do. Thanks for the help! On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Rick Otten rottenwindf...@gmail.com writes: Hello pgsql-general, I'd like to set up a foreign key constraint to a foreign table from a local table. ie, I have a column in a local table that I'd like to ensure has a value in the foreign table. alter mytable add column some_column_id uuid references myforeigntable(some_column_id) ; Unfortunately I get a not a table error when I try this. ERROR: referenced relation myforeigntable is not a table I'm thinking I'll have to write a function that checks for existance of the ids in the foreign table, and then put a CHECK constraint on using that function, but I thought I'd as first if there was a better way. What's going to happen when the foreign server decides to delete some rows from its table? regards, tom lane
