Re: [GENERAL] postgresql rising
On Sep 22, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Vivek Khera wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Jim C. Nasby wrote: Berkus doesn't count??! He's got long hair! What more do you want?! Well, then based on volume he should count as two :-) No offense intended, Josh... *I'd* count as two, too. Nah, Josh ain't that loud. Just be glad that my volume control isn't stuck on high. :) There's a good reason my nickname is Decibel! -- Jim Nasby[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
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Ron Johnson wrote: It's a pack/herd mentality that serves the species very well, most of the time. Odd that you should state that, in light of your signature tag line. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. begin:vcard fn:Berend Tober n:Tober;Berend email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:860-767-0700 x118 tel;home:860-442-4103 version:2.1 end:vcard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 10:10 -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: Merlin Moncure wrote: I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage is one example: That is good news, I wish there where some of those Postgresql jobs in the Milwaukee area :-) Don't want to move to NJ :-( It does seem to be a grass roots kind of thing as the major corp managers have no clue what Postgresql is. For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) Hmmm... I'm broke. I'd be happy to wrap a sexy, colorful, pointy-clicky installer around postgreSQL and then market the whole package to the corporate world with 5 and 6 figure annual site deployment fees. I'll even funnel half back into core devel. It wouldn't even be the exploitation of profound stupidity, it would be catering to the needs and desires of the corporate customer. It's not about the product, it's about the marketing. Look what MS has done with the often Alpha Dung they produce. Imagine that machinery behind a sound and superior product. Boggles the mind, dunnit? I wonder if the Advocacy crowd have thought about an outright sale of marketing rights Andy ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [GENERAL] postgresql rising
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:48:47AM -0500, Scott Marlowe wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 08:47, Brad Nicholson wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. I had a boss once who panned PostgreSQL because he wanted a company to be able to blame if things went wrong. I asked him if it wasn't more important to worry about preventing things from going wrong in the first place. I got a rather blank stare for a while. No answer. And now-a-days, there's at least 2 US companies you can pay for the right to blame when something goes wrong. -- Jim Nasby[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] postgresql rising
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:30:59PM -0700, CSN wrote: PostgreSQL doesn't have any booth babes? ;P Berkus doesn't count??! He's got long hair! What more do you want?! :P csn On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote: [snip] I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. - how attractive the sales rep is. Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most successful salespeople were always... young attractive women. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq -- Jim Nasby[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:14:06AM +0200, Andrew Kelly wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 10:10 -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: Merlin Moncure wrote: I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage is one example: That is good news, I wish there where some of those Postgresql jobs in the Milwaukee area :-) Don't want to move to NJ :-( It does seem to be a grass roots kind of thing as the major corp managers have no clue what Postgresql is. For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) Hmmm... I'm broke. I'd be happy to wrap a sexy, colorful, pointy-clicky installer around postgreSQL and then market the whole package to the corporate world with 5 and 6 figure annual site deployment fees. I'll even funnel half back into core devel. It wouldn't even be the exploitation of profound stupidity, it would be catering to the needs and desires of the corporate customer. So why don't you? -- Jim Nasby[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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Berkus doesn't count??! He's got long hair! What more do you want?! banjos playing in background... -- Scott Ribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
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On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:27 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: In contrast, if a similar infringement were found with one of the products of, say, IBM, you might discover that you got some value for money out of those licensing fees in that the only folks sued are likely to be IBM... That assumes their license indemnifies you of such liability. But you could be sued anyhow, and would then have to claim against that indemnification. I find this to be a mostly false argument. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [GENERAL] postgresql rising
On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Jim C. Nasby wrote: Berkus doesn't count??! He's got long hair! What more do you want?! Well, then based on volume he should count as two :-) No offense intended, Josh... *I'd* count as two, too. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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Alvaro,I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant logo.That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at least.Are there many elephants among decision makers? Asking google:http://www.google.de/search?q=teach%20an%20elephant%20to%20danceie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8hl=debtnG=Google-Suchemeta= there is at least a big elephant awareness in the softskill and management area. Especially big IT companies were in that business, look at Louis V. Gerstner, Jr.Harald-- GHUM Harald Massa persuadere et programmareHarald Armin MassaReinsburgstraße 202b70197 Stuttgart0173/9409607-Python: the only language with more web frameworks than keywords. -- Harald A. Massa, December 2005 http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/285b9adeec188fb2
Re: [GENERAL] postgresql rising
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. Brad. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
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In response to Brad Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's boss. The real reason is the Nobody ever got fired for using IBM mentality. If you use something that your superiors recognize as the industry leader and it doesn't work out, who would blame you? It's CYA. And it's wimpy. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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Bill,Suing someone is not the real reason.It's the excuse given to one'sboss.The real reason is the Nobody ever got fired for using IBM mentality. Nobody ever got fired for using IBM - today it is translated to (Oracle|Microsoft)And it may still be true. But it gives you only half the story: IF the tools somebody buys for his company do not allow that company to stay competitive, market will decide. And using databases from O or I or M just eats some money - that other companies who use the Elephant that never forgets don't have to spend. So, in the long run, buying O or I or M can get you out of job because of THE MARKET dealing with your company, which is not effective enough anymore. Harald-- GHUM Harald Massapersuadere et programmareHarald Armin MassaReinsburgstraße 202b70197 Stuttgart0173/9409607-Python: the only language with more web frameworks than keywords. -- Harald A. Massa, December 2005 http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/285b9adeec188fb2
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they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. Well actually you can't sue either via the licenses. However, that is not where large corps find the comfort. The comfort comes from the fact that IBM, Oracle and MS will defend *you* if you are sued for ip violation per the use of their product (e.g; oracle is violating a patent and you get sued for using oracle). Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Brad. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/06 09:28, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Brad Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: [snip] Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's boss. The real reason is the Nobody ever got fired for using IBM mentality. If you use something that your superiors recognize as the industry leader and it doesn't work out, who would blame you? It's CYA. And it's wimpy. It's a pack/herd mentality that serves the species very well, most of the time. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFEqMMS9HxQb37XmcRAh3fAKCbhijLQjd1mVY2WSINMud/bDTLPACfZjOe LGMhIR3Aev7dE18XMYji2sw= =ths5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 08:47, Brad Nicholson wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. I had a boss once who panned PostgreSQL because he wanted a company to be able to blame if things went wrong. I asked him if it wasn't more important to worry about preventing things from going wrong in the first place. I got a rather blank stare for a while. No answer. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
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On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's boss. The real reason is the Nobody ever got fired for using IBM mentality. If you use something that your superiors recognize as the industry leader and it doesn't work out, who would blame you? It's CYA. And it's wimpy. Yep. That's exactly it! Here's a feel good story for you... A couple of companies ago where we were small and I got to make the decisions, we decided to build our app on FreeBSD/PHP/PostgreSQL. And all was well, since we were small and people trusted me. Then we got bought out by a big company. The first thing they wanted us to do was rewrite for Linux/Java/Oracle. Then one of the sales guys wanted us to add SQLServer support cause it would look good on the feature sheet. Note that 99% of the time this was a hosted solution. I left about a year ago and just recently learned that for one of their new products (deployable not hosted) they were going with PostgreSQL :-) -philip ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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After takin a swig o' Arrakan spice grog, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Nicholson) belched out: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in their database products. Ah, but there *is* a value in this, as, if you buy licenses from these companies, they become anodynes to attract infringement lawsuits of one sort or another. If it were to turn out, for instance, that PostgreSQL were found to be using a patented algorithm that someone wanted to sue people about, that is fairly certain to hit users. In contrast, if a similar infringement were found with one of the products of, say, IBM, you might discover that you got some value for money out of those licensing fees in that the only folks sued are likely to be IBM... That's not an event we expect to see happen terribly frequently, but it's of non-zero value... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string moc.liamg @ enworbbc)) http://linuxdatabases.info/info/linuxdistributions.html It's difficult to extract sense from strings, but they're the only communication coin we can count on. -- Alan Perlis ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
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On Sep 19, 2006, at 23:57 , Merlin Moncure wrote: I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage is one example: (http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=47975237AVSDM=2006% 2D09%2D15+13%3A07%3A10Logo=1JobTitle=PostgreSQL+Databa%2E%2E% 2Eq=postgresqlcy=usJSNONREG=1Image1.x=0Image1.y=0dcjvlid=380). Salaries for a capable pg dba are really attractive, I have seen several in the 6 figure range. If you are reading this list and you like making money, this is amazing news folks. I am seeing a confluence of many factors leading to serious penetration into the enterprise market. Around 5 years ago after being mostly a c/c++ developer I decided postgresql was where it was at. Learning the database and becoming productive with it has been professionally rewarding on many levels. It's really exciting watching the community evolve. I have noticed the same. One thing you didn't mention is how postgresql gets into such companies. I highly doubt there is a new general managerial acceptance of postgresql itself- I haven't had any of my management mention it from management magazines- rather it seems to be a grassroots effort by developers who started out using a free LAMP stack, know the benefits, and then bring that experience to the workplace. -M ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
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Merlin Moncure wrote: I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage is one example: That is good news, I wish there where some of those Postgresql jobs in the Milwaukee area :-) Don't want to move to NJ :-( It does seem to be a grass roots kind of thing as the major corp managers have no clue what Postgresql is. For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql Your best bet for Postgresql Administration ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 09:05:00AM -0400, AgentM wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 23:57 , Merlin Moncure wrote: I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql I have noticed the same. One thing you didn't mention is how postgresql gets into such companies. I highly doubt there is a new general managerial acceptance of postgresql itself- I haven't had any of my management mention it from management magazines- rather it seems to be a grassroots effort by developers who started out using a free LAMP stack, know the benefits, and then bring that experience to the workplace. That's one stage, and I thing we're getting past it. Now, management is enthusiastic to have FOSS OSs like Linux and FreeBSD as server OSs, and they're coming around, company by company, to the idea that this FOSS stuff applies to server software in general. Even in client-side software, people don't look at you as though you're insane when you say you're using Firefox or OOo :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. PostgreSQL is building its reputation, but it doesn't have the marketing budget of those three. Therefore, it's safer to pick the thing that has a better reputation, and that makes those reputations stronger still. So what we need is a spotless reputation -- which we're building. A -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] The whole tendency of modern prose is away from concreteness. --George Orwell ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server, Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what they need :-) I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of reputation. I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. - how attractive the sales rep is. - how much swag the sales rep brings with them. :-/ Sadly, I once worked for a company that spent close to $500K on a commercial product when PHP would have worked just as well... I did make sure I wrote a very very long CYA email myself so when someone asked why that decision was made they wouldn't look at me :) PostgreSQL is building its reputation, but it doesn't have the marketing budget of those three. Therefore, it's safer to pick the thing that has a better reputation, and that makes those reputations stronger still. So what we need is a spotless reputation -- which we're building. A -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] The whole tendency of modern prose is away from concreteness. --George Orwell ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote: [snip] I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. - how attractive the sales rep is. Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most successful salespeople were always... young attractive women. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFEc5eS9HxQb37XmcRAiJKAJ90OXzgizJtjFaOdsiB4jA4R/ogPQCgoF/n 50e84k21jUSP653XaMQjEq8= =o9TW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
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Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote: [snip] I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. - how attractive the sales rep is. Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most successful salespeople were always... young attractive women. Pheromones sell. I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at least. Are there many elephants among decision makers? -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
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PostgreSQL doesn't have any booth babes? ;P csn On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote: [snip] I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on the basis of - if there is someone they can sue. - how attractive the sales rep is. Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most successful salespeople were always... young attractive women. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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On 9/21/06, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at least. Are there many elephants among decision makers? our elephant isn't female? that changes everything. merlin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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On 21/9/2006 9:39, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at least. Are there many elephants among decision makers? Aren't they all elephants? Oh hang on ... I might be thinking of dinosaurs ;-) -- Shane Ambler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Sheeky @ http://Sheeky.Biz ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
