[HACKERS] ANNOUNCEMENT: Availability of TelegraphCQ v0.2 (BETA release)
ANNOUNCEMENT: Availability of TelegraphCQ v0.2 (BETA release) - The Telegraph Team at UC Berkeley is pleased to announce the immediate availability of TelegraphCQ v0.2 (a BETA release). TelegraphCQ is a system for processing long-running continuous queries over data streams. TelegraphCQ is implemented as a significant modification to the PostgreSQL open-source database system. Specifically, TelegraphCQ v0.2 is based on the PostregreSQL 7.3.2 code-base. For more information on the Telegraph project please visit: http://telegraph.cs.berkeley.edu To download TelegraphCQ and for more information, please visit: http://telegraph.cs.berkeley.edu/telegraphcq Here is the README.TelegraphCQ from the source distribution: -- This file contains information on TelegraphCQ 0.2 (a Beta releae). What's new (since TelegraphCQ 0.1) - - Better stability: Lots of bugs have been squashed - CSV Wrapper: An easy to use wrapper that accepts simple comma separated text as input and supports all PostgreSQL and user-defined types. There is now no need to write C code to develop a new wrapper if your data source produces textual data. - Pull Wrappers: If you want to pull (lookup) data from external sources (such as web pages) based on query predicates, you can use the new infrastructure for the Pull Wrapper. - Introspective Query Processing: The dynamic catalog is a new feature in TelegraphCQ. It lets users query three special purpose internal data streams to get a continuous view of how the TelegraphCQ system is behaving. - Applications: Included with this distribution are a few applications that we demonstrated at the ACM FCRC/SIGMOD 2003 Conference in San Diego. We have integrated data from CalTrans (California Department of Transportation), CHP (California Highway Patrol) and a local network interface (using the tcpdump utility). We have also included graphical visualizers that run some interesting queries over data streams from these sources. Request --- If you are using TelegraphCQ for any project (research or otherwise), we'd like to know ! - If you are making any performance measurements of TelegraphCQ and are publishing it or disseminating it in some way, please do let us know. - We welcome bug fixes and code contributions of any kind. Please send all patches to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caveat Emptor - The current version of TelegraphCQ (0.2) is still a Beta release and is very much research code. We haven't optimized it for performance. Also, you will need to create a fresh database to use it as it will not work against an existing PostgreSQL database. You are free to use pgdump to export and then import your data from an existing PostgreSQL database. - Archived streams: Note that although TelegraphCQ 0.2 supports archived streams, we currently do not support access of historical data. This will be fixed in our next release. For more information Getting Started: A TelegraphCQ Getting Started guide can be found in docs/TelegraphCQ/gettingstarted.html The Getting Started guide also has links to other information such as DDL/DML syntax, examples etc. Note that the documentation installed in your TelegraphCQ installation directory contains documentation for the new syntax changes (CREATE/ALTER/DROP STREAM, the WINDOW clause in DML) integrated into the existing PostgreSQL documentation. The Telegraph Project: http://telegraph.cs.berkeley.edu Supported Platforms --- TelegraphCQ is supported on Linux x86 (various distributions including Red Hat Linux 8,9 and Debian) and MacOS X 10.2, the platforms on which it was developed. In addition, it has been minimally tested on the SPARC Solaris platform. In general, TelegraphCQ should run anywhere PostgreSQL runs. However, there are significant differences in how we use shared memory and synchronization primitives such as semaphores. This is likely to cause some hiccups on platforms where we have not tested it yet. We welcome patches that help in porting TelegraphCQ. Please send all comments (and patches) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Pip-pip Sailesh http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sailesh ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HACKERS] postmaster startup failure
Hannu Krosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > WHen running PostgreSQL 7.3.3-1 (from rpm's) on Redhat 9.0 I got the > following in logs and the postmaster will not start up. > PANIC: XLogWrite: write request 0/30504000 is past end of log > 0/30504000 This looks like you've stumbled across some sort of boundary-condition bug in xlog.c. It must be a pretty low-probability situation since we've not seen it before. How large is the database in question --- would it be feasible to send it to me (as a tar of the whole $PGDATA directory) for examination? regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] perm question
nay be not all, but only select from same function. Is there sht like umask On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Tom Lane wrote: > ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In my project i need close everything even most of pg_catalog. > > User shoudl exec only special func. and not more. He know which they are. > > It sounds to me like you shouldn't be allowing your users to execute SQL > commands directly at all. > > regards, tom lane > ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
Re: [HACKERS] perm question
ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In my project i need close everything even most of pg_catalog. > User shoudl exec only special func. and not more. He know which they are. It sounds to me like you shouldn't be allowing your users to execute SQL commands directly at all. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HACKERS] postmaster startup failure
WHen running PostgreSQL 7.3.3-1 (from rpm's) on Redhat 9.0 I got the following in logs and the postmaster will not start up. Any Ideas what I could do to start up ? This in on a laptop used for development, but I still would like to not initdb. postmaster successfully started LOG: database system shutdown was interrupted at 2003-07-17 00:42:29 EEST LOG: checkpoint record is at 0/304E76A8 LOG: redo record is at 0/304E76A8; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown FALSE LOG: next transaction id: 3981836; next oid: 4003572 LOG: database system was not properly shut down; automatic recovery in progress LOG: redo starts at 0/304E76E8 LOG: ReadRecord: unexpected pageaddr 0/2C504000 in log file 0, segment 48, offset 5259264 LOG: redo done at 0/30503FDC PANIC: XLogWrite: write request 0/30504000 is past end of log 0/30504000 LOG: startup process (pid 2445) was terminated by signal 6 LOG: aborting startup due to startup process failure -' Hannu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Archives
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:35:51PM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: > --On Wednesday, July 16, 2003 16:31:24 -0400 Alvaro Herrera > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:57:41PM -0500, Thomas Swan wrote: > >>Does anyone have recent archives of the pgsql-hackers list in mbx or > >>flat file format? > > > >I really miss this too. I searched the entire site, including > >Majordomo's web interface, and there is no way to get the mbox archives. > >It seems the only way to get'em is buying them from Pgsql Inc. > I sent Thomas my July, 2003 MBX file. Actually I wanted everything from 2001 on general, hackers, patches and committers... I know I'd rather not receive all that via email; mbox files in archives.postgresql.org just like almost every other list would have been perfect for me. OTOH I already did all the searching I needed via www interface... _very_ cumbersome and I wasted several precious hours, but it worked. Thank you anyway. -- Alvaro Herrera () "Investigación es lo que hago cuando no sé lo que estoy haciendo" (Wernher von Braun) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [HACKERS] Patches List
Yes I am subscribed. I also sent it to you directly seeing as if it was slow. LER --On Wednesday, July 16, 2003 17:16:55 -0400 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Larry Rosenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Is the patches list working? I saw something come through yesterday from Rod. I submitted on yesterday that never made it. Are you subscribed? With Marc out of town this week, anything held for moderator approval won't see the light of day before Monday or so... regards, tom lane -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Patches List
Larry Rosenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is the patches list working? I saw something come through yesterday from Rod. > I submitted on yesterday that never made it. Are you subscribed? With Marc out of town this week, anything held for moderator approval won't see the light of day before Monday or so... regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] perm question
> > and how disallow : LISTEN , SET , RESET , and SHOW ? > > Explain why we should? > When you want to LISTEN sth pg insert rec into pg_listens (?) or somewhere there, so why someone could rubish my db ? In my project i need close everything even most of pg_catalog. User shoudl exec only special func. and not more. He know which they are. will be very wlee (i think ) to div pg_catalog to more part, like types (with in/out/cast function) , pg tables , and rest of funcs ... (and why pg use "namespace" and "schema" ?? why we need this 2 words ?) btw . i have one more question : i have a lot of namepsace , and i dont use all of them i one time, so when i need one i just SET search_path TO need_namespace; When i use it in plpgsql its working without problesm , for ei : create table other_nsp.table (i int); create functino _ble() returns boolean as ' begin set search_path other_nsp; delete from table; end ; .. its working good but when i want to use SQL lang there is a error , that my table isnt exists. ie : create .. as ' set search_path other_nsp; delete from table ; -- and there is error , but why i one line above -- replaced search_path ?? i tryed it witj transaction block , but it was this same result thx :> bye , ivan ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Archives
--On Wednesday, July 16, 2003 16:31:24 -0400 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:57:41PM -0500, Thomas Swan wrote: Does anyone have recent archives of the pgsql-hackers list in mbx or flat file format? I know that I can search through the website or through other interfaces, but I would like to be able to download a file containing the posts for a period of time. I really miss this too. I searched the entire site, including Majordomo's web interface, and there is no way to get the mbox archives. It seems the only way to get'em is buying them from Pgsql Inc. I sent Thomas my July, 2003 MBX file. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Archives
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:57:41PM -0500, Thomas Swan wrote: > Does anyone have recent archives of the pgsql-hackers list in mbx or > flat file format? > > I know that I can search through the website or through other > interfaces, but I would like to be able to download a file containing > the posts for a period of time. I really miss this too. I searched the entire site, including Majordomo's web interface, and there is no way to get the mbox archives. It seems the only way to get'em is buying them from Pgsql Inc. -- Alvaro Herrera () "La espina, desde que nace, ya pincha" (Proverbio africano) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
[HACKERS] identifying rows in table.
hi, what fields in LOCK datastructures can i use to uniquely identify each row of a table? if each row is seperately locked that is. thanks jennyAdd photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
[HACKERS] SHMSEG definition
Can somebody clarify for me the requirement for the SHMSEG kernel parameter, please. The Postgres doc says: SHMSEG - Maximum number of shared memory segments per process only 1 segment is needed, but the default is much higher I was trying to calculate the kernel parameters for running a number of Postgres servers on Solaris, and something did not work. Having Postgres running I executed ipcs. It shows that while Postgres is taking only one segment, the number of attachments is 7. This I think refers to the number of processes spawned by postmaster at that time. Solaris docs describe SHMSEG as "Limit on the number of shared memory segments that any one process can create" Now run this: sysdef | grep SHMSEG -> 50 max attached shm segments per process (SHMSEG) I suppose there's a distinction between "can create" and "can attach to". Looks like the manual and output of sysdef are not very consistent. I am worried that maybe (on Solaris) SHMSEG should be set with respect to number of connections, rather than number of servers. Thank you, Mike. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
[HACKERS] Archives
Does anyone have recent archives of the pgsql-hackers list in mbx or flat file format? I know that I can search through the website or through other interfaces, but I would like to be able to download a file containing the posts for a period of time. I'm missing a large portion of the recent 2 weeks due a errant mail filter. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
[HACKERS] RFP announcement
A few weeks ago I posted a message on this board requesting interest from anyone who would be willing to participate in a Request For Proposal (RFP) to provide software development and project management for Washington State. I am happy to announce that we have several dozen participants at present. Everyone who has responded has been added to the list of participants, and will now be reviewing the actual RFP. If you have not gotten any e-mails regarding this project, but wanted to be on the distribution list, please inform me immediately and we'll get you added. I'm very excited about the possibility of working with this community on such a project. Please contact me if you have any questions. Richard Schilling Proprietor National Informatics Company ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HACKERS] backend/parser compile prob
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:58:01PM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > could you try lex/scan.l 1.13 i just committed? Yes, that fixed it! Cheers, Patrick ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] FROM clause omitted
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:29:01 +0200, Dennis Björklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a bug in one of my queries that wasn't detected by pg because if > filled in the from clause by itself. Take for example a querie like Currently this is the only way to use additional tables when doing a delete. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
[HACKERS] Patches List
Is the patches list working? I submitted on yesterday that never made it. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Hyperthreading or not?
On 16 Jul 2003 at 9:07, scott.marlowe wrote: > > PS: Is really faster postgresql compiled with Intel compiler ? > > Note that since most people use gcc, any problems caused by the Intel > compiler might take more time to get fixed. Last I heard was that gcc was pretty neck to neck with intel compiler with gcc 3.2.2 or later. Besides intel compiler yield performance gain on CPU intesive applications such as mathematical calculations and as such. While it would provide some performance benefit, I doubt how much and in how many cases for a database app. like postgresql. It's not a CPU hog in the first place, most of the times. Bye Shridhar -- Bones: "The man's DEAD, Jim!" ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Hyperthreading or not?
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Mendola Gaetano wrote: > Hi all, > we are going to move our production postgres box ( on Linux ) > in a new machine, I'm wondering if I shall leave the Hyperthreading > feature on or disable it. The newer kernels are hyper-threading aware. No idea how much faster that might make things for a postgresql server though. > Anyone have experience on this? Nope, but I will this fall. > PS: Is really faster postgresql compiled with Intel compiler ? Note that since most people use gcc, any problems caused by the Intel compiler might take more time to get fixed. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HACKERS] Criteria for contrib/ versus gborg?
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:35:38PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote: > > is this code really a "replacement" for rserv? There has been work on > > rserv in contrib that I'm guessing was not used in the commercial > > version. are we better off calling this rserv2 or something and letting > > both projects stand side by side? > > Good point: this code branched back in the summer of 2001, and hasn't > had anything to do with the rserv code since. So perhaps both should > live. > > > as the person doing the legwork, do you see one location or the other as > > a hindrance to getting the release done? > > Not to me, no. But since I can't commit the changes to CVS, someone > else would have to do that. Mind you, last time I tried to set up a > project on gborg, I couldn't get it to work after 4 hours, and gave > up. I'd say contrib is the natural place for it, as it's a todo item and a step towards integration. It's a feature most people can use, and if it's in /contrib it's more likely to get used than if it's on gborg. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] [ADMIN] problems with pg_restore
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:03:13PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> Given the current implementation, it seems like there are three possible >> behaviors for COMMENT ON DATABASE when the database name isn't the same >> as the current database: > There's a fourth possibility: ignore the command and issue a WARNING. Hmm, that seems like a reasonable choice. Anyone have an objection? regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] perm question
ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > why when i revoke all on scheme pg_catalog from all (with public) > i can make select from pg_ tables and views as ordinary user ?? Hm. pg_catalog is forcibly placed into the search path, thus bypassing the normal check on whether you have USAGE privilege on it. I suppose that could be claimed to be a bug ... but in point of fact, honoring denial of USAGE on pg_catalog would mean that the system would fail to function at all. So I cannot see any actual usefulness in doing such a thing. You might as well just delete the user entirely as forbid him access to pg_catalog. > and how disallow : LISTEN , SET , RESET , and SHOW ? Explain why we should? regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] backend/parser compile prob
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:42:45PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Patrick Welche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > > What string constant?! Will try again later... > > Which flex version are you using? You need 2.5.4 --- the most recent > versions have broken backwards compatibility :-(. I'm not sure what the > symptom looks like, though. Answer is: a broken flex 2.5.4. There were some commits to NetBSD flex to use bounded strings. Using 13th July flex source builds a happy PostgreSQL. Now to track down which bit broke - anyway, not a PostgreSQL problem :-) Cheers, Patrick == All 91 tests passed. == NetBSD-1.6U/i386 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] FROM clause omitted
> > I had a bug in one of my queries that wasn't detected by pg because if > filled in the from clause by itself. Take for example a querie like > > select foo.a; > > which I guess is transformed to > > select foo.a > from foo; > > Is this really a good thing to do? Is it part of the standard? Can it be > turned of? In my case it hid a bug and made my query work but produce the > wrong result. > > Isn't this yet another case of "helpful" parsing that will only hurt in > the end? Look at how hard it is to parse html-pages because all browsers > accept broken code, but different broken code. > > What about an example like this (the transformed code above but with alias > x added): > > select foo.a > from foo x; > > By adding the alias x the query still workes but gives a different result. > Dennis, This feature has been addressed many times before. Please search the archives and refer to Extensions within SELECT doc. AFAIK it can even be turned off, but don't know how exactly. As I said, search the archive. HTH Regards, Christoph ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] FROM clause omitted
> Is this really a good thing to do? Is it part of the standard? Can it be > turned of? In my case it hid a bug and made my query work but produce the > wrong result. 7.4 has a switch to turn this off for the same reasons you cite. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[HACKERS] FROM clause omitted
I had a bug in one of my queries that wasn't detected by pg because if filled in the from clause by itself. Take for example a querie like select foo.a; which I guess is transformed to select foo.a from foo; Is this really a good thing to do? Is it part of the standard? Can it be turned of? In my case it hid a bug and made my query work but produce the wrong result. Isn't this yet another case of "helpful" parsing that will only hurt in the end? Look at how hard it is to parse html-pages because all browsers accept broken code, but different broken code. What about an example like this (the transformed code above but with alias x added): select foo.a from foo x; By adding the alias x the query still workes but gives a different result. -- /Dennis ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [HACKERS] Criteria for contrib/ versus gborg?
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:35:38PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote: > is this code really a "replacement" for rserv? There has been work on > rserv in contrib that I'm guessing was not used in the commercial > version. are we better off calling this rserv2 or something and letting > both projects stand side by side? Good point: this code branched back in the summer of 2001, and hasn't had anything to do with the rserv code since. So perhaps both should live. > as the person doing the legwork, do you see one location or the other as > a hindrance to getting the release done? Not to me, no. But since I can't commit the changes to CVS, someone else would have to do that. Mind you, last time I tried to set up a project on gborg, I couldn't get it to work after 4 hours, and gave up. A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Liberty RMS Toronto, Ontario Canada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x110 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Criteria for contrib/ versus gborg?
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:23:21PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > pro contrib/: > > You have four pro arguments, two of which are for marketing and the > other two are for lazyness :-) For what it's worth, I don't think the marketing arguments are nothing. That view was confirmed by what I heard at the OSCON BOF. > Maybe a wish for some official mention of this - and other important - gborg > project in the documentation ? That's not a bad idea, actually. The projects on gborg suffer from too little publicity. I knew nothing about the very cool PL/R until I heard about it directly from Joe. A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Liberty RMS Toronto, Ontario Canada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x110 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Criteria for contrib/ versus gborg?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > - allows us to say that PostgreSQL ships with field-tested > replication in the source tree We have a winner! I think this one trumps all the rest. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200307160920 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: http://www.turnstep.com/pgp.html iD8DBQE/FVGlvJuQZxSWSsgRAhvZAJ0fqYZctnt45zTAqbL7dLajOfewGQCeKaUq 9VJkugleaEukmFsbwabNyO8= =wIZT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Criteria for contrib/ versus gborg?
> pro contrib/: You have four pro arguments, two of which are for marketing and the other two are for lazyness :-) > pro gborg: As you note, you will be more independent on gborg, so why not? Maybe a wish for some official mention of this - and other important - gborg project in the documentation ? -- Kaare Rasmussen--Linux, spil,--Tlf:3816 2582 Kaki Datatshirts, merchandize Fax:3816 2501 Howitzvej 75 Åben 12.00-18.00Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 FrederiksbergLørdag 12.00-16.00 Web: www.suse.dk ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
