Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Jan Wieck wrote: > Can we please make "move all replication software out of the release" an > official open item for the 7.5 release? Agreed ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their patches > and get them submitted. Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Thomas Hallgren said: > ""Andrew Dunstan"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first > > time >> in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem >> and others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes >> in due course. > A patch fixing those problems have already been submitted by Claudio > Natoli. Perhaps you already knew that. > There's yet to be agreement on how to fix this. See the hack that I used yesterday on the -win32 list. cheers andrew ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
""Andrew Dunstan"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first time > in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem and > others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes in due > course. A patch fixing those problems have already been submitted by Claudio Natoli. Perhaps you already knew that. Kind regards, Thomas Hallgren ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > Tom Lane said: > > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their > > >> patches and get them submitted. > > > > > > Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the > > > station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. > > > > > > > > > > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first time > > in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem and > > others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes in due > > course. > > > > Is it time to set a tentative target date for a feature freeze, though? > > Perhaps some time in mid to late June would be good. That way people could > > work to a known timeline. > > Right now, the feature freeze is tentative for 1st of June, which has been > thrown around a few times already ... Yea, I think I remember that date being mentioned. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Right now, the feature freeze is tentative for 1st of June, which has been thrown around a few times already ... If it has I've missed it - always seemed somewhat vaguer to me. Thanks andrew ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > Tom Lane said: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their > >> patches and get them submitted. > > > > Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the > > station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. > > > > > > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first time > in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem and > others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes in due > course. > > Is it time to set a tentative target date for a feature freeze, though? > Perhaps some time in mid to late June would be good. That way people could > work to a known timeline. Right now, the feature freeze is tentative for 1st of June, which has been thrown around a few times already ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Andrew Dunstan wrote: > Tom Lane said: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their > >> patches and get them submitted. > > > > Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the > > station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. > > > > > > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first time > in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem and > others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes in due > course. > > Is it time to set a tentative target date for a feature freeze, though? > Perhaps some time in mid to late June would be good. That way people could > work to a known timeline. Yes, that was the timeline I was considering too. Folks, we can be sure you have until the end of May to complete items, but after that, we don't know how soon the feature freeze will happen. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Tom Lane said: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their >> patches and get them submitted. > > Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the > station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. > > Not quite yet - yesterday I got hold of a windows box for the first time in months and had significant building problems (the symlink problem and others). This needs to be robust. I will be sending in some fixes in due course. Is it time to set a tentative target date for a feature freeze, though? Perhaps some time in mid to late June would be good. That way people could work to a known timeline. cheers andrew ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their patches > and get them submitted. Eggzackle ... my point is that I see the win32 train leaving the station pretty soon, and I don't see anyone else ready to get on board. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > > o PITR (Riggs) > > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > Not to rain on the parade, but the *only* one of these I have any > confidence in seeing for 7.5 is the last (Windows port). The others > are still mostly or entirely handwaving, and I do not think we will > hold up the release for them once the Windows port starts looking > stable enough to beta-test. Gavin says he has patches for tablespaces, Alvaro has submitted patches already, server-side java is heading into beta, and Heikki has two-phase commit patches because he already worried about drift. PITR patches have been submitted too. I wouldn't call them done, but I wouldn't call them handwaving either. What we really need is for these folks to start finalizing their patches and get them submitted. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: How to Welcome Windows Users (was Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features)
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Richard Huxton wrote: > On Tuesday 27 April 2004 14:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > > o PITR (Riggs) > > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > > great release. > > Sounds like the biggest release since 7.0 to me, and all good stuff. I do have > a nagging concern with the Windows support though. I'm guessing most people > running Windows servers will either be running php on top, or have windows > clients. AFAIK this means .NET or ODBC, and for older Access-based systems > upgrading definitely ODBC. > > Dave Page has bravely stepped into the breach to maintain the ODBC driver, but > the niggles in it will generate a flood of support messages as Windows users > test it out. Basically, I'm asking what would need to be done technically for > the ODBC driver, and is there anything a non-hacker can do to help? I would say the OLE-DB driver would be nice to have ready to go. There are apparently a few projects on source forge to make one that are making good progress, and it would be nice to have a fairly workable solution about the time 7.5 rolls out. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > o tablespaces (Gavin) > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > o PITR (Riggs) > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) Not to rain on the parade, but the *only* one of these I have any confidence in seeing for 7.5 is the last (Windows port). The others are still mostly or entirely handwaving, and I do not think we will hold up the release for them once the Windows port starts looking stable enough to beta-test. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 09:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > o PITR (Riggs) > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > great release. Dare I even mention calling it 8.0? (ducks and runs for cover...) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
Martin Marques wrote: > El Tuesday 27 April 2004 10:27, Bruce Momjian escribi?: > > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > > o PITR (Riggs) > > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > > great release. > > How's Jans' Slowny-I doing? Any chance of getting it at least in the contribs > (depending on how stable it gets)? Yep, I forgot that, though it is independent of the 7.5 release. I think Jan will make a final release in a few months. I also should mention server-side java, again also an independent project. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
> > How's Jans' Slowny-I doing? Any chance of getting it at least in the contribs > > (depending on how stable it gets)? > > Zero chance ... Slony-I is *a* replication solution, not *the* > replication solution ... unless someone ever comes up with an 'end all and Not to mention Jan doesn't want it to be in contrib as that would imply it was version specific. One of the more popular uses of Slony will be version upgrades with minimal downtime. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
On Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:22, Martin Marques wrote: > > How's Jans' Slowny-I doing? Any chance of getting it at least in the > contribs (depending on how stable it gets)? There was a post from Jan the other day (on General iirc) - I think he's looking for testers at the moment before he goes to feature-freeze. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Martin Marques wrote: > El Tuesday 27 April 2004 10:27, Bruce Momjian escribió: > > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > > o PITR (Riggs) > > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > > great release. > > How's Jans' Slowny-I doing? Any chance of getting it at least in the contribs > (depending on how stable it gets)? Zero chance ... Slony-I is *a* replication solution, not *the* replication solution ... unless someone ever comes up with an 'end all and be all' replication solution (which, personally, I don't think will ever happen), we should not be officially endorsing any one replication solution ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: How to Welcome Windows Users (was Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features)
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Richard Huxton wrote: > Dave Page has bravely stepped into the breach to maintain the ODBC > driver, but the niggles in it will generate a flood of support messages > as Windows users test it out. Basically, I'm asking what would need to > be done technically for the ODBC driver, and is there anything a > non-hacker can do to help? First question ... what niggles? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
El Tuesday 27 April 2004 10:27, Bruce Momjian escribió: > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > o PITR (Riggs) > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > great release. How's Jans' Slowny-I doing? Any chance of getting it at least in the contribs (depending on how stable it gets)? -- 11:21:02 up 49 days, 15:45, 4 users, load average: 0.53, 0.68, 0.71 - Martín Marqués| select 'mmarques' || '@' || 'unl.edu.ar' Centro de Telematica | DBA, Programador, Administrador Universidad Nacional del Litoral - ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
How to Welcome Windows Users (was Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features)
On Tuesday 27 April 2004 14:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: > > o tablespaces (Gavin) > o nested transactions (Alvaro) > o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) > o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) > o PITR (Riggs) > o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) > > If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a > great release. Sounds like the biggest release since 7.0 to me, and all good stuff. I do have a nagging concern with the Windows support though. I'm guessing most people running Windows servers will either be running php on top, or have windows clients. AFAIK this means .NET or ODBC, and for older Access-based systems upgrading definitely ODBC. Dave Page has bravely stepped into the breach to maintain the ODBC driver, but the niggles in it will generate a flood of support messages as Windows users test it out. Basically, I'm asking what would need to be done technically for the ODBC driver, and is there anything a non-hacker can do to help? -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HACKERS] 7.5 features
I think great would be an understatement. Great work all! |-+--> | | Bruce Momjian | | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | > | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | tgresql.org| | | | | | | | | 04/27/2004 08:27 AM| | | | |-+--> >--| | | | To: PostgreSQL-development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: [HACKERS] 7.5 features | >--| Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: o tablespaces (Gavin) o nested transactions (Alvaro) o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) o PITR (Riggs) o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a great release. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html * PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HACKERS] 7.5 features
Here are features that are being worked on, hopefully for 7.5: o tablespaces (Gavin) o nested transactions (Alvaro) o two-phase commit (Heikki Linnakangas) o integrated pg_autovacuum (O'Connor) o PITR (Riggs) o Win32 (Claudio, Magnus) If we get the majority of them, and I think we will, this will be a great release. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
