Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. (yes, I'm still here :) Vince. -- Fast, inexpensive internet service 56k and beyond! http://www.pop4.net/ http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Online radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On 11/29/2004 11:03 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? I simply gate the maillist traffic in to sn (small news server) and use that. Not sure I wan't to rely on my warez/dvd repository for real information... But that is just me :) -- -Rupa ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? Trying this again with the right From address... No. (and yes, I'm still here :) Vince. -- Fast, inexpensive internet service 56k and beyond! http://www.pop4.net/ http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Online radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On 11/29/2004 2:03 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? Certainly not. Jan The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- #==# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #== [EMAIL PROTECTED] # ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? Heck no. I have no desire to use USENET. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL begin:vcard fn:Joshua D. Drake n:Drake;Joshua D. org:Command Prompt, Inc. adr:;;PO Box 215;Cascade Locks;Oregon;97014;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant tel;work:503-667-4564 tel;fax:503-210-0334 note:Command Prompt, Inc. is the largest and oldest US based commercial PostgreSQL support provider. We provide the only commercially viable integrated PostgreSQL replication solution, but also custom programming, and support. We authored the book Practical PostgreSQL, the procedural language plPHP, and adding trigger capability to plPerl. x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.commandprompt.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. I abandoned Usenet years ago. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. Regards Gaetano Mendola ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote: On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly -- completely useless). news.postgresql.org? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly -- completely useless). news.postgresql.org? Didn't know that existed... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote: Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly -- completely useless). news.postgresql.org? Didn't know that existed... Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully advertised either ... I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about the usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things like how to unsubscribe to the lists ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists. My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use. Especially when your postings do not arrive! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ... If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Didn't know that existed... Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully advertised either ... To be fair, I didn't know it existed until the whole usenet thing popped up either. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about the usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things like how to unsubscribe to the lists ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL begin:vcard fn:Joshua D. Drake n:Drake;Joshua D. org:Command Prompt, Inc. adr:;;PO Box 215;Cascade Locks;Oregon;97014;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant tel;work:503-667-4564 tel;fax:503-210-0334 note:Command Prompt, Inc. is the largest and oldest US based commercial PostgreSQL support provider. We provide the only commercially viable integrated PostgreSQL replication solution, but also custom programming, and support. We authored the book Practical PostgreSQL, the procedural language plPHP, and adding trigger capability to plPerl. x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.commandprompt.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote: I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists. My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use. Especially when your postings do not arrive! When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :( I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't really do easily on Usenet ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... They're nuts. The only exodus would be in the form of people posting one-off questions not bothering to subscribe before posting. It seems to me that the news interface is useful if it's a list you don't read regularly. You just check periodically to see if there's anything on a particular topic (like to see how a new release is faring before upgrading) or to post the occasional support question without wanting to be subscribed all the time. On that basis it seems to me the only list that makes sense to gateway to USENET is pgsql-general. That's the outward-facing list for people to ask support one-off questions on. The rest of the lists should really be mailing lists for ongoing internal discussion. The news.postgresql.org interface should satisfy people who want the news-style user interface but with the serious-subscribers-only type of environment. -- greg ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution proposal for a TODO item. My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at hackers list! This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM To: Gevik Babakhani Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote: I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists. My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use. Especially when your postings do not arrive! When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :( I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't really do easily on Usenet ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? No, not for me. Joe ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. Using mailing lists is what I prefer since about '95. Regards, - -- Devrim GUNDUZ devrim~gunduz.orgdevrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.tdmsoft.com http://www.gunduz.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBq460tl86P3SPfQ4RAheLAKDKTBaYshtXtQ4aM6caTyTqMZTvVgCfW+ec FpBEKlasn5HW+S4aCfjNkw0= =WspG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No. -Neil ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? No. Gavin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gevik Babakhani) writes: Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution proposal for a TODO item. My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at hackers list! This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help. how big is the message? *raised eyebrow* depending on size, it might get caught up in the queue to be approved ... the only other possibility is that the anti-virus or anti-spam checkers are picking it up ... what i'd recommend is putting it up on a URL and posting the URL so that ppl can download it ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM To: Gevik Babakhani Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote: I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists. My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use. Especially when your postings do not arrive! When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :( I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't really do easily on Usenet ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Gavin Sherry wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? No. Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-) -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: Gavin Sherry wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? No. Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-) You watched Night at the Roxbury last night, didn't you? :) Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly -- completely useless). -- Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? No, but I might use it from time to time. Although I abandoned newsgroups a long time ago, they still serve a purpose. ... the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? Not personally preferable, but I feel that we should either be mailing list only, or do things the right way, which means being underneath comp.* as an official (moderated) newsgroup, and following the accepted standards. (something we have always strived for in other areas). Thus, the true question should be: do we support newsgrouping these lists or keep them mailing list only? I'd rather do the latter than a broken implementation of the former. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200411290939 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBqzU+vJuQZxSWSsgRAnWBAKCxND6C6HYplw+DO/FO3F0JIbMbeQCg4JHM Sp/jKz0wodd4layMgdjLfbk= =c/1R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gavin Sherry wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the mailing lists? The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable? No. Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-) Personally, I'd frequent whichever venue had the most utility. That being said: I much prefer the Usenet mechanism over either mailing lists or web-based bulletin-boards for non-real-time group discussions. Jim ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
