Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
>> > They stopped at 7.2.4 because "they're finishing some usefull APIs, >> > which'll make the port much more "easy"." >> >> Will this involve using a Linux kernel ;) > > :) No, a NW kernel with a POSIX library. This'll be great, because > :you'll can run powerfull opensource software with an enterprise-class > NOS. Another option... Well, the "pthreads" seem to be working just fine. For all my work that most people would do in C/C++, I do in assembler, and the POSIX support in NetWare now is providing some very nice APIs in NetWare 6.0 and 6.5 that simply weren't available on NetWare 4.x and earlier (NetWare 5.x has some of this, and Novell has been working hard to move in this direction). > Clustering support (32 x 32), stable & consistent file system (Novell's > Storage System, forget the old Tradition File System (very mature & > stable, but it doesn't fit the current storage necessity)), security & > stability (our servers is counting 700+ days). I hosted over 500 internet sites (HTTP (Apache), DNS, SMTP/POP3, FTP, NNTP, Oracle, various Java services, PERL, etc.) on NetWare 5 across two different /24 address spaces, and the server (yes, all of this was done with a single Pentium III server with 512 MBs of RAM) was fast and reliable with minimal maintenance. The new file system (NSS) cuts down the boot time since volume mounts always complete in less than 1 second as opposed to the "Traditional File System" (TFS) which required approximately 5 to 10 minutes to mount. NSS is a journaling system, which I've not been able to break yet by simulating power outages during busy times. When the next release of PostgreSQL is ready for NetWare, I'm going to try to break it in this way as well (by making it very busy with many simultaneous write, index, and vacuum operations before "pulling the plug"). So far I've found that Oracle 8i on NetWare was quite good at handling this and the worst that ever happened (at least in my testing) was that there was a cut-off point where newly written records were lost. I'm not pleased with Oracle's decision to discontinue support for NetWare, and PostgreSQL fits that void very well (except for not having table spaces, but I can live with that), and so I anxiously await the new version of PostgreSQL so that I can proceed with some rather large web- based projects that have been in the planning and research stages for approximately 3 years now. Unfortunately I simply can't use MySQL because they don't have views, and there are some data integrity problems (e.g., numbers getting truncated silently instead of an error being returned, etc.). > It's a valuable addition to the Novell community, but it's also an good > addition to the PostgreSQL community, but of course, when everything is > 100% done. ;) I agree wholeheartedly that both the Novell and PostgreSQL user and developer communities will benefit greatly from this. From a marketing perspective, both organizations will also benefit by gaining additional exposure. -- Randolf Richardson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Please do not eMail me directly when responding to my postings in the newsgroups. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
> > They stopped at 7.2.4 because "they're finishing some usefull APIs, > > which'll make the port much more "easy"." > > Will this involve using a Linux kernel ;) :) No, a NW kernel with a POSIX library. This'll be great, because you'll can run powerfull opensource software with an enterprise-class NOS. Another option... Clustering support (32 x 32), stable & consistent file system (Novell's Storage System, forget the old Tradition File System (very mature & stable, but it doesn't fit the current storage necessity)), security & stability (our servers is counting 700+ days). It's a valuable addition to the Novell community, but it's also an good addition to the PostgreSQL community, but of course, when everything is 100% done. ;) Regards, Eduardo ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Eduardo D Piovesam kirjutas E, 20.10.2003 kell 16:35: > They stopped at 7.2.4 because "they're finishing some usefull APIs, > which'll make the port much more "easy"." Will this involve using a Linux kernel ;) > When this part is done, a new port will be made with 7.4. With much > less "NetWare specific code" and maybe, it'll be "accepted" by the > PostgreSQL community. Sure! Hannu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
They stopped at 7.2.4 because "they're finishing some usefull APIs, which'll make the port much more"easy"." When this part is done, a new port will be made with 7.4. With much less "NetWare specific code" and maybe, it'll be "accepted" by the PostgreSQL community. Regards, Eduardo
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
>Why 7.2.4 I wonder? And I don't see anything there in the CVS repository. I know they >are not obliged to show us the source code, but doing so would be nice (especially to >see the threading part). Hi Andrew, here you have the source code: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1132&release_id=434 Greetings.. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
"Eduardo D Piovesam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi,> > > It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM,> > communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with> > Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely> > (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for> > They've done the job. Forget all about 3.x / 4.x and even 5.x. No more CLib,> you have now LibC which is a POSIX like API.> > AFAIK, they're finishing some usefull APIs, which'll make the port much more> "easy". The "only difference" will be the "threaded model" instead of> process based...> > NW6.x already have Apache, bash, gcc, mysql, openssh, vnc, etc... thanks to> this "new architecture".> > You can get the 7.2.4 on http://forge.novell.com> Why 7.2.4 I wonder? And I don't see anything there in the CVS repository. I know they are not obliged to show us the source code, but doing so would be nice (especially to see the threading part). cheers andrew
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Hi, > It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM, > communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with > Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely > (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for They've done the job. Forget all about 3.x / 4.x and even 5.x. No more CLib, you have now LibC which is a POSIX like API. AFAIK, they're finishing some usefull APIs, which'll make the port much more "easy". The "only difference" will be the "threaded model" instead of process based... NW6.x already have Apache, bash, gcc, mysql, openssh, vnc, etc... thanks to this "new architecture". You can get the 7.2.4 on http://forge.novell.com Eduardo ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the > > porting of PostgreSQL to Netware. He sounded like most of the job was > > already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to > > build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it > > was one or two orders of magnitude faster). He left some time later > > because of the null support he received for that, it seems. > > What is this, a troll? We gave that project quite a lot of support. > My recollection is that we lost interest somewhere around here: > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2002-08/msg00278.php > when it became clear that Netware couldn't or wouldn't try to arrange > their code to keep the amount of platform-specific stuff reasonable. > The patch as they were proposing it would have been completely > unmaintainable --- certainly so for the community, probably for them > too. Last I remember they were going to port gmake to Novell and use that for the port,but we never heard back from them. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the > porting of PostgreSQL to Netware. He sounded like most of the job was > already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to > build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it > was one or two orders of magnitude faster). He left some time later > because of the null support he received for that, it seems. What is this, a troll? We gave that project quite a lot of support. My recollection is that we lost interest somewhere around here: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2002-08/msg00278.php when it became clear that Netware couldn't or wouldn't try to arrange their code to keep the amount of platform-specific stuff reasonable. The patch as they were proposing it would have been completely unmaintainable --- certainly so for the community, probably for them too. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:52:58PM +0200, Andreas Pflug wrote: > Terry Yapt wrote: > > >I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version > >released about two weeks or so. > > > >http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html > > > >If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo > >are showed on the run. > It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM, > communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with > Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely > (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for > implementing PostgreSQL on NetWare. It's very different from Windows and > *ix, so it would be a complete third implementation of basic service > interfacing. Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the porting of PostgreSQL to Netware. He sounded like most of the job was already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it was one or two orders of magnitude faster). He left some time later because of the null support he received for that, it seems. Some time after that, Novell announced that MySQL would be their default database system ... -- Alvaro Herrera () Y una voz del caos me hablo y me dijo "Sonrie y se feliz, podria ser peor". Y sonrei. Y fui feliz. Y fue peor. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Terry Yapt wrote: Hello all, I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version released about two weeks or so. http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo are showed on the run. I would be very happy if we could run PostgreSQL on Novell Netware environment instead of Oracle or MySQL (default database on this novell OS version) in a near future. Somebody know if the changes to run PostgreSQL on Win32 platform will be provide a easiest port for Novell Netware servers ? It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM, communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for implementing PostgreSQL on NetWare. It's very different from Windows and *ix, so it would be a complete third implementation of basic service interfacing. Regards, Andreas ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
[HACKERS] PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Hello all, I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version released about two weeks or so. http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo are showed on the run. I would be very happy if we could run PostgreSQL on Novell Netware environment instead of Oracle or MySQL (default database on this novell OS version) in a near future. Somebody know if the changes to run PostgreSQL on Win32 platform will be provide a easiest port for Novell Netware servers ? Thanks a lot. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
