Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 10 October 2010 19:06, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Applied with revisions. Brilliant! Thank you very much. * I took out this change in planmain.c: + /* + * If the query target is a VIEW, it won't be in the jointree, but we + * need a dummy RelOptInfo node for it. This need not have any stats in + * it because it always just goes at the top of the plan tree. + */ + if (parse-resultRelation + root-simple_rel_array[parse-resultRelation] == NULL) + build_simple_rel(root, parse-resultRelation, RELOPT_OTHER_MEMBER_REL); AFAICT that's just dead code: the only reason to build such a rel would be if there were Vars referencing it in the main part of the plan tree. But there aren't. Perhaps this was left over from some early iteration of the patch before you had the Var numbering done right? Do you know of any cases where it's still needed? No, I think you're right. It was just the leftovers of an early attempt to get the rewriter changes right. * I also took out the changes in preprocess_targetlist() that tried to prevent equivalent wholerow vars from getting entered in the targetlist. This would not work as intended since the executor has specific expectations for the names of those junk TLEs; it'd fail if it ever actually tried to do an EvalPlanQual recheck that needed those TLEs. Ah yes, I missed that. I still don't see where it uses those TLEs by name though. It looks as though it's using wholeAttNo, so perhaps my code would have worked if I had set wholeAttNo on the RowMark? Anyway, I don't think it's likely that this extra Var is going to be present often in practice, so I don't think it's a problem worth worrying about. Thanks very much for looking at this. Regards, Dean Now I believe that an EPQ recheck is impossible so far as the update or delete itself is concerned, when the target is a view. So if you were really concerned about the extra vars, the non-kluge route to a solution would be to avoid generating RowMarks in the first place. You'd have to think a bit about the possibility of SELECT FOR UPDATE in sub-selects though; the query as a whole might need some rowmarks even if the top level Modify node doesn't. On the whole I couldn't get excited about this issue, so I just left it alone. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
Bernd Helmle maili...@oopsware.de writes: --On 8. September 2010 09:00:33 +0100 Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an updated version with improved formatting and a few minor wording changes to the triggers chapter. This version doesn't apply clean anymore due to some rejects in plainmain.c. Corrected version attached. Applied with revisions. A couple of points worth remarking: * I took out this change in planmain.c: + /* +* If the query target is a VIEW, it won't be in the jointree, but we +* need a dummy RelOptInfo node for it. This need not have any stats in +* it because it always just goes at the top of the plan tree. +*/ + if (parse-resultRelation + root-simple_rel_array[parse-resultRelation] == NULL) + build_simple_rel(root, parse-resultRelation, RELOPT_OTHER_MEMBER_REL); AFAICT that's just dead code: the only reason to build such a rel would be if there were Vars referencing it in the main part of the plan tree. But there aren't. Perhaps this was left over from some early iteration of the patch before you had the Var numbering done right? Do you know of any cases where it's still needed? * I also took out the changes in preprocess_targetlist() that tried to prevent equivalent wholerow vars from getting entered in the targetlist. This would not work as intended since the executor has specific expectations for the names of those junk TLEs; it'd fail if it ever actually tried to do an EvalPlanQual recheck that needed those TLEs. Now I believe that an EPQ recheck is impossible so far as the update or delete itself is concerned, when the target is a view. So if you were really concerned about the extra vars, the non-kluge route to a solution would be to avoid generating RowMarks in the first place. You'd have to think a bit about the possibility of SELECT FOR UPDATE in sub-selects though; the query as a whole might need some rowmarks even if the top level Modify node doesn't. On the whole I couldn't get excited about this issue, so I just left it alone. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
Bernd Helmle maili...@oopsware.de writes: I would like to do some more tests/review, but going to mark this patch as Ready for Committer, so that someone more qualified on the executor part can have a look on it during this commitfest, if that's okay for us? I've started looking at this patch now. I think it would have been best submitted as two patches: one to add the SQL-spec INSTEAD OF trigger functionality, and a follow-on to extend INSTEAD OF triggers to views. I'm thinking of breaking it apart into two separate commits along that line, mainly because I think INSTEAD OF is probably committable but I'm much less sure about the other part. In the INSTEAD OF part, the main gripe I've got is the data representation choice: *** *** 1609,1614 --- 1609,1615 List *funcname; /* qual. name of function to call */ List *args; /* list of (T_String) Values or NIL */ boolbefore; /* BEFORE/AFTER */ + boolinstead;/* INSTEAD OF (overrides BEFORE/AFTER) */ boolrow;/* ROW/STATEMENT */ /* events uses the TRIGGER_TYPE bits defined in catalog/pg_trigger.h */ int16 events; /* INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE/TRUNCATE */ This pretty much sucks, because not only is this a rather confusing definition, it's not really backwards compatible: any code that thinks !before must mean after is going to be silently broken. Usually, when you do something that necessarily breaks old code, what you want is to make sure the breakage is obvious at compile time. I think the right thing here is to replace before with a three-valued enum, perhaps called timing, so as to force people to take another look at any code that touches the field directly. Although we already have macros TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE that seem to mask the details here, the changes you had to make in contrib illustrate that the macros' callers could still be embedding this basic mistake of testing !before when they mean after or vice versa. I wonder whether we should intentionally rename the macros to force people to take another look at their logic. Or is that going too far? Comments anyone? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 8 October 2010 16:50, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Bernd Helmle maili...@oopsware.de writes: I would like to do some more tests/review, but going to mark this patch as Ready for Committer, so that someone more qualified on the executor part can have a look on it during this commitfest, if that's okay for us? I've started looking at this patch now. I think it would have been best submitted as two patches: one to add the SQL-spec INSTEAD OF trigger functionality, and a follow-on to extend INSTEAD OF triggers to views. SQL-spec INSTEAD OF triggers *are* view triggers. I don't see how you can separate the two. I'm thinking of breaking it apart into two separate commits along that line, mainly because I think INSTEAD OF is probably committable but I'm much less sure about the other part. In the INSTEAD OF part, the main gripe I've got is the data representation choice: *** *** 1609,1614 --- 1609,1615 List *funcname; /* qual. name of function to call */ List *args; /* list of (T_String) Values or NIL */ bool before; /* BEFORE/AFTER */ + bool instead; /* INSTEAD OF (overrides BEFORE/AFTER) */ bool row; /* ROW/STATEMENT */ /* events uses the TRIGGER_TYPE bits defined in catalog/pg_trigger.h */ int16 events; /* INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE/TRUNCATE */ This pretty much sucks, because not only is this a rather confusing definition, it's not really backwards compatible: any code that thinks !before must mean after is going to be silently broken. Usually, when you do something that necessarily breaks old code, what you want is to make sure the breakage is obvious at compile time. I think the right thing here is to replace before with a three-valued enum, perhaps called timing, so as to force people to take another look at any code that touches the field directly. Although we already have macros TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE that seem to mask the details here, the changes you had to make in contrib illustrate that the macros' callers could still be embedding this basic mistake of testing !before when they mean after or vice versa. I wonder whether we should intentionally rename the macros to force people to take another look at their logic. Or is that going too far? Comments anyone? I think that you're confusing 2 different parts of code here. The TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE macros operate on the bits from the tg_event field of the TriggerData structure. This has a completely different representation for the trigger timing compared to the code you mention above, which is from the CreateTrigStmt structure. That structure is only used internally in a couple of places, by the parser and CreateTrigger(). I agree that perhaps it would be neater to represent it as an enum, but I think the scope for code breakage is far smaller than you claim. This structure is not being exposed to trigger code. The changes I made in contrib are unrelated to the representation used in CreateTrigStmt. It's just a matter of tidying up code in before triggers to say if (!fired_before) error rather than if (fired_after) error. That's neater anyway, even in the case where they're mutually exclusive (as they are on tables). The scope for user code being broken is limited beause they'd have to put one of these trigger functions in an INSTEAD OF trigger on a view. Regards, Dean regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com writes: On 8 October 2010 16:50, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: I've started looking at this patch now. I think it would have been best submitted as two patches: one to add the SQL-spec INSTEAD OF trigger functionality, and a follow-on to extend INSTEAD OF triggers to views. SQL-spec INSTEAD OF triggers *are* view triggers. I don't see how you can separate the two. Oh, they're not allowed on tables? Why not? AFAICS they'd be exactly equivalent to a BEFORE trigger that always returns NULL. I think that you're confusing 2 different parts of code here. The TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE macros operate on the bits from the tg_event field of the TriggerData structure. Yeah, I'm aware of that. My point is that all code that deals with trigger firing times now has to consider three possible states where before there were two; and it's entirely likely that some places are testing for the wrong condition once a third state is admitted as a possibility. The scope for user code being broken is limited beause they'd have to put one of these trigger functions in an INSTEAD OF trigger on a view. Well, the only reason those tests are being made at all is as self-defense against being called via an incorrect trigger definition. So they're worth nothing if they fail to treat the INSTEAD OF case correctly. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: I think the right thing here is to replace before with a three-valued enum, perhaps called timing, so as to force people to take another look at any code that touches the field directly. +1. That seems much nicer. Although we already have macros TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE that seem to mask the details here, the changes you had to make in contrib illustrate that the macros' callers could still be embedding this basic mistake of testing !before when they mean after or vice versa. I wonder whether we should intentionally rename the macros to force people to take another look at their logic. Or is that going too far? Comments anyone? I'm less sold on this one. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Although we already have macros TRIGGER_FIRED_AFTER/TRIGGER_FIRED_BEFORE that seem to mask the details here, the changes you had to make in contrib illustrate that the macros' callers could still be embedding this basic mistake of testing !before when they mean after or vice versa. I wonder whether we should intentionally rename the macros to force people to take another look at their logic. Or is that going too far? Comments anyone? I'm less sold on this one. I'm not sold on it either, just wanted to run it up the flagpole to see if anyone would salute. For the moment I'm thinking that calling out the point in the 9.1 release notes should be sufficient. I made an extra commit to make sure the issue is salient in the commit log. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
BTW, while I'm looking at this: it seems like the index arrays in struct TrigDesc are really a lot more complication than they are worth. It'd be far easier to dispense with them and instead iterate through the main trigger array, skipping any triggers whose tgtype doesn't match what we need. If you had a really huge number of triggers on a table, it's possible that could be marginally slower, but I'm having a hard time envisioning practical situations where anybody could tell the difference. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 5 October 2010 21:17, Bernd Helmle maili...@oopsware.de wrote: Basic summary of this patch: Thanks for the review. * The patch includes a fairly complete discussion about INSTEAD OF triggers and their usage on views. There are also additional enhancements to the RULE documentation, which seems, given that this might supersede the usage of RULES for updatable views, reasonable. * The patch passes regressions tests and comes with a bunch of its own regression tests. I think they are complete, they cover statement and row Level trigger and show the usage for JOINed views for example. * I've checked against a draft of the SQL standard, the behavior of the patch seems to match the spec (my copy might be out of date, however). * The code looks pretty good to me, there are some low level error messages exposing some implementation details, which could be changed (e.g. wholerow is NULL), but given that this is most of the time unexpected and is used in some older code as well, this doesn't seem very important. Hopefully that error should never happen, since it would indicate a bug in the code rather than a user error. * The implementation introduces the notion of wholerow. This is a junk target list entry which allows the executor to carry the view information to an INSTEAD OF trigger. In case of DELETE/UPDATE, the rewriter is responsible to inject the new wholerow TLE and make the original query to point to a new range table entry (correct me, when i'm wrong), which is based on the view's query. I'm not sure i'm happy with the notion of wholerow here, maybe viewrow or viewtarget is more descriptive? That's a good description of how it works. I chose wholerow because that matched similar terminology used already, for example in preptlist.c when doing FOR UPDATE/SHARE on a view. I don't feel strongly about it, but my inclination is to stick with wholerow unless someone feels strongly otherwise. * I'm inclined to say that INSTEAD OF triggers have less overhead than RULES, but this is not proven yet with a reasonable benchmark. It's difficult to come up with a general statement on performance because there are so many variables that might affect it. In a few simple tests, I found that for repeated small updates RULEs and TRIGGERs perform roughly the same, but for bulk updates (one query updating 1000s of rows) a RULE is best. I would like to do some more tests/review, but going to mark this patch as Ready for Committer, so that someone more qualified on the executor part can have a look on it during this commitfest, if that's okay for us? Thanks for looking at it. I hope this is useful functionality to make it easier to write updatable views, and perhaps it will help with implementing auto-updatable views too. Cheers, Dean -- Thanks Bernd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
--On 30. September 2010 07:38:18 +0100 Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: This version doesn't apply clean anymore due to some rejects in plainmain.c. Corrected version attached. Ah yes, those pesky bits have been rotting while I wasn't looking. Thanks for fixing them! Basic summary of this patch: * The patch includes a fairly complete discussion about INSTEAD OF triggers and their usage on views. There are also additional enhancements to the RULE documentation, which seems, given that this might supersede the usage of RULES for updatable views, reasonable. * The patch passes regressions tests and comes with a bunch of its own regression tests. I think they are complete, they cover statement and row Level trigger and show the usage for JOINed views for example. * I've checked against a draft of the SQL standard, the behavior of the patch seems to match the spec (my copy might be out of date, however). * The code looks pretty good to me, there are some low level error messages exposing some implementation details, which could be changed (e.g. wholerow is NULL), but given that this is most of the time unexpected and is used in some older code as well, this doesn't seem very important. * The implementation introduces the notion of wholerow. This is a junk target list entry which allows the executor to carry the view information to an INSTEAD OF trigger. In case of DELETE/UPDATE, the rewriter is responsible to inject the new wholerow TLE and make the original query to point to a new range table entry (correct me, when i'm wrong), which is based on the view's query. I'm not sure i'm happy with the notion of wholerow here, maybe viewrow or viewtarget is more descriptive? * I'm inclined to say that INSTEAD OF triggers have less overhead than RULES, but this is not proven yet with a reasonable benchmark. I would like to do some more tests/review, but going to mark this patch as Ready for Committer, so that someone more qualified on the executor part can have a look on it during this commitfest, if that's okay for us? -- Thanks Bernd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 29 September 2010 20:18, Bernd Helmle maili...@oopsware.de wrote: --On 8. September 2010 09:00:33 +0100 Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an updated version with improved formatting and a few minor wording changes to the triggers chapter. This version doesn't apply clean anymore due to some rejects in plainmain.c. Corrected version attached. Ah yes, those pesky bits have been rotting while I wasn't looking. Thanks for fixing them! Regards, Dean -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 23 September 2010 00:26, Marko Tiikkaja
marko.tiikk...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
On 2010-09-23 1:16 AM, Bernd Helmle wrote:
INSERT INTO vfoo VALUES('helmle', 2) RETURNING *;
text | id
+
helmle | 2
(1 row)
SELECT * FROM vfoo;
text | id
---+
bernd | 2
(1 row)
This is solvable by a properly designed trigger function, but maybe we
need
to do something about this?
I really don't think we should limit what people are allowed to do in the
trigger function.
Besides, even if the RETURNING clause returned 'bernd' in the above case, I
think it would be even *more* surprising. The trigger function explicitly
returns NEW which has 'helmle' as the first field.
Yes, I agree. To me this is the least surprising behaviour. I think a
more common case would be where the trigger computed a value (such as
the 'last updated' example). The executor doesn't have any kind of a
handle on the row inserted by the trigger, so it has to rely on the
function return value to support RETURNING.
I can confirm the latest Oracle (11g R2 Enterprise Edition) does not
support RETURNING INTO with INSTEAD OF triggers (although it does work
with its auto-updatable views), presumably because it's triggers don't
return values, but I think it would be a shame for us to not support
it.
Regards,
Dean
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Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
--On 23. September 2010 08:59:32 +0100 Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I agree. To me this is the least surprising behaviour. I think a more common case would be where the trigger computed a value (such as the 'last updated' example). The executor doesn't have any kind of a handle on the row inserted by the trigger, so it has to rely on the function return value to support RETURNING. I didn't mean to forbid it altogether, but at least to document explicitely, that the trigger returns a VIEW's NEW tuple, not the one of the base table (and may modify it). But you've already adressed this in your doc patches, so nothing to worry about further. -- Thanks Bernd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
--On 5. September 2010 09:09:55 +0100 Dean Rasheed
dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a first look on your patch, great work!
Attached is an updated patch with more tests and docs, and a few minor
code tidy ups. I think that the INSTEAD OF triggers part of the patch
is compliant with Feature T213 of the SQL 2008 standard. As discussed,
Reading the past discussions, there was some mention about the RETURNING
clause.
I see Oracle doesn't allow its RETURNING INTO clause with INSTEAD OF
triggers (at least my 10g XE instance here doesn't allow it, not sure about
newer versions). I assume the following example might have some surprising
effects on users:
CREATE TABLE foo(id integer);
CREATE VIEW vfoo AS SELECT 'bernd', * FROM foo;
CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION insert_foo() RETURNS trigger
LANGUAGE plpgsql
AS $$
BEGIN INSERT INTO foo VALUES(NEW.id);
RETURN NEW;
END; $$;
CREATE TRIGGER insert_vfoo INSTEAD OF INSERT ON vfoo
FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE PROCEDURE insert_foo();
INSERT INTO vfoo VALUES('helmle', 2) RETURNING *;
text | id
+
helmle | 2
(1 row)
SELECT * FROM vfoo;
text | id
---+
bernd | 2
(1 row)
This is solvable by a properly designed trigger function, but maybe we need
to do something about this?
I don't plan to add the syntax to allow triggers on views to be
disabled at this time, but that should be easy to implement, if there
is a use case for it.
I really don't see a need for this at the moment. We don't have DISABLE
RULE either. I'm going to post some additional comments once i've
understand all things.
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Thanks
Bernd
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Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 2010-09-23 1:16 AM, Bernd Helmle wrote:
INSERT INTO vfoo VALUES('helmle', 2) RETURNING *;
text | id
+
helmle | 2
(1 row)
SELECT * FROM vfoo;
text | id
---+
bernd | 2
(1 row)
This is solvable by a properly designed trigger function, but maybe we need
to do something about this?
I really don't think we should limit what people are allowed to do in
the trigger function.
Besides, even if the RETURNING clause returned 'bernd' in the above
case, I think it would be even *more* surprising. The trigger function
explicitly returns NEW which has 'helmle' as the first field.
Regards,
Marko Tiikkaja
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Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 7 September 2010 02:03, David Christensen da...@endpoint.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Dean Rasheed wrote: On 15 August 2010 18:38, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a WIP patch implementing triggers on VIEWs ... snip There are still a number of things left todo: - extend ALTER VIEW with enable/disable trigger commands - much more testing - documentation Attached is an updated patch with more tests and docs, and a few minor At least for me, there are some portions of the docs which could use some formatting changes in order to not be confusing grammatically; e.g., this was confusing to me on the first read: - trigger name. In the case of before triggers, the + trigger name. In the case of before and instead of triggers, the I realize this lack of formatting was inherited from the existing docs, but this would make more sense to me if this (and presumably the other related instances of before and after) were set apart with literal/ or similar. This is already in use in some places in this patch, so seems like the correct markup. Yeah, I think you're right. That chapter is the first place in the manual where the concepts of before/after/instead of are introduced. The first time it mentions them it uses firstterm, but then it doesn't use any markup for them for the remainder of the chapter. It looks like the rest of the manual uses literal+uppercase wherever they're mentioned, which does help readability, so it would make sense to bring the rest of that chapter into line with that convention. Thanks for looking at this. Cheers, Dean -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On Sep 5, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Dean Rasheed wrote: On 15 August 2010 18:38, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a WIP patch implementing triggers on VIEWs ... snip There are still a number of things left todo: - extend ALTER VIEW with enable/disable trigger commands - much more testing - documentation Attached is an updated patch with more tests and docs, and a few minor At least for me, there are some portions of the docs which could use some formatting changes in order to not be confusing grammatically; e.g., this was confusing to me on the first read: -trigger name. In the case of before triggers, the +trigger name. In the case of before and instead of triggers, the I realize this lack of formatting was inherited from the existing docs, but this would make more sense to me if this (and presumably the other related instances of before and after) were set apart with literal/ or similar. This is already in use in some places in this patch, so seems like the correct markup. Regards, David -- David Christensen End Point Corporation da...@endpoint.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 15 August 2010 18:38, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: There are still a number of things left todo: - extend ALTER VIEW with enable/disable trigger commands On further reflection, I wonder if the ability to disable VIEW triggers is needed/wanted at all. I just noticed that while it is possible to disable a RULE on a TABLE, it is not possible to do so on VIEW. This certainly makes sense for the _RETURN rule, although possibly some people might have a use for disabling other rules on views. The situation with triggers is similar - disabling an INSTEAD OF trigger would be pointless, and could only lead to errors when updating the view. Some people may have a use case for disabling BEFORE and AFTER statement triggers on views, but I suspect that the number of such cases is small, and I'm tempted to omit this, for now at least. Thoughts? - Dean -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com writes: On 15 August 2010 18:38, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: There are still a number of things left todo: - extend ALTER VIEW with enable/disable trigger commands On further reflection, I wonder if the ability to disable VIEW triggers is needed/wanted at all. AFAIK the only real use for disabling triggers is in connection with trigger-based replication systems. A view wouldn't be carrying replication-related triggers anyway, so I think this could certainly be left out of a first cut. You aren't saying that you can see some reason why this couldn't be added later, if wanted, correct? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Triggers on VIEWs
On 16 August 2010 18:50, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com writes: On 15 August 2010 18:38, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: There are still a number of things left todo: - extend ALTER VIEW with enable/disable trigger commands On further reflection, I wonder if the ability to disable VIEW triggers is needed/wanted at all. AFAIK the only real use for disabling triggers is in connection with trigger-based replication systems. A view wouldn't be carrying replication-related triggers anyway, so I think this could certainly be left out of a first cut. You aren't saying that you can see some reason why this couldn't be added later, if wanted, correct? Yes. It should be easy to add later if wanted. I just don't see much use for it, and I don't want to add more to an already quite big patch, if it's not really needed. Regards, Dean -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
