Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > Jim Nasby pointed out: > >> It'd be useful to us to have a utility that could cleanly validate >> the server was up and communicating, without having to actually login. > > Well sure, but wouldn't it be even more useful to validate at the > same time that logins are working? :) Not necessarily. To test if logins are working your tool needs access to the credentials of a user you want to test. That makes the tool less useful to someone who wants to run it on a machine or from a process that shouldn't have access to those credentials. Of course it's not a problem to have it as an option. But I'm just agreeing with Jim that it can be useful to have a tool that is capable of doing less. Fwiw the current architecture of the postmaster is designed to *not* start up a backend until after the the initial exchange is done. That protects against denial of service attacks that open lots of TCP connections without having any credentials. But it means that just making a TCP connection is verifying less of the system. -- greg -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Jim Nasby pointed out: > It'd be useful to us to have a utility that could cleanly validate > the server was up and communicating, without having to actually login. Well sure, but wouldn't it be even more useful to validate at the same time that logins are working? :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201210101310 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAlB1rDsACgkQvJuQZxSWSsibngCg61f1ldN2wZOT4FHOFvbiIfO6 3EIAoJyFfd4T2NXv/jH5zGD9pSypykXi =WP+s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
On 10/4/12 11:34 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that >utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't >find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have >something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of >performing a health check that also supports nagios style status >output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. I'm not sure how useful this information would be. Most health checks (Nagios or otherwise) really only care if things are working all the up to point A or not, where point A is usually a simple query such as "SELECT 1". Knowing various failure states as returned by PQping* does not seem to fit into such tools - any failure needs to be handled manually. For whatever reason our Nagios setup telnets to the port to see if it's open, which means we get a ton of messages in the log about authentication errors or some such. It'd be useful to us to have a utility that could cleanly validate the server was up and communicating, without having to actually login. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect j...@nasby.net 512.569.9461 (cell) http://jim.nasby.net -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 > I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that > utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't > find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have > something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of > performing a health check that also supports nagios style status > output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. I'm not sure how useful this information would be. Most health checks (Nagios or otherwise) really only care if things are working all the up to point A or not, where point A is usually a simple query such as "SELECT 1". Knowing various failure states as returned by PQping* does not seem to fit into such tools - any failure needs to be handled manually. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201210041146 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAlBtukQACgkQvJuQZxSWSsiCbACePHFhTefoQnLwVuvIONH0JcSD jq8AoIPusD88fX1rBcse5IreaADH7wkZ =IRgc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
Phil Sorber writes: > How about adding it as an option to psql? That's not to say that I > think we shouldn't also add it to 'pg_ctl status'. > I was looking at the code and originally I was using return code to > signify what the status was and some text output when quiet wasn't > set, but psql has it's own set of established return codes. How does > everyone feel about using different return codes when psql is in the > PQping mode? Personally, I think adding this to psql has nothing to recommend it: it would be shoehorning an unrelated behavior in among what are already too many constraints. If we're going to do it at all, it should be a stand-alone tool. If it's not worth that much work, it's not worth doing. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Pavel Stehule wrote: > 2012/10/3 Phil Sorber : >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:01:36PM -0400, Phil Sorber wrote: I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of performing a health check that also supports nagios style status output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. It's not currently ready for submission to a commitfest, but if there was an interest I would clean it up so that it would be. >>> >>> I don't see any tool using PQping except pg_ctl. Perhaps we should >>> modify "pg_ctl status" to use PQping. Right now is only checks the >>> postmaster.pid file, and checks to see that the pid is a running >>> postmaster. What it currently doesn't do is to check if the server is >>> accepting connections with PQping(), like we do for "pg_ctl -w start". >>> >>> Comments? >> >> I was thinking that maybe this should be a new feature in an existing >> tool, however I don't think pg_ctl would satisfy my use case as it's >> normally bundled with the server. This would need to be something that >> I could install just a client package. It's not a deal breaker, but it >> makes things more complex. >> >> How about adding it as an option to psql? That's not to say that I >> think we shouldn't also add it to 'pg_ctl status'. I was looking at the code and originally I was using return code to signify what the status was and some text output when quiet wasn't set, but psql has it's own set of established return codes. How does everyone feel about using different return codes when psql is in the PQping mode? Also was just printing out terse text forms of the enums. OK, NO_RESPONSE, etc. I was thinking they could be used in shell scripts that way, but we could do that with return codes as well. Would people like to see something more human friendly and descriptive? Also -C, --check was available and I went with that. Most of the other stuff I could think of already had the short option taken. > > +1 > > Pavel >> >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us >>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>> >>> + It's impossible for everything to be true. + >> >> >> -- >> Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) >> To make changes to your subscription: >> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
2012/10/3 Phil Sorber : > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:01:36PM -0400, Phil Sorber wrote: >>> I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that >>> utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't >>> find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have >>> something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of >>> performing a health check that also supports nagios style status >>> output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. It's >>> not currently ready for submission to a commitfest, but if there was >>> an interest I would clean it up so that it would be. >> >> I don't see any tool using PQping except pg_ctl. Perhaps we should >> modify "pg_ctl status" to use PQping. Right now is only checks the >> postmaster.pid file, and checks to see that the pid is a running >> postmaster. What it currently doesn't do is to check if the server is >> accepting connections with PQping(), like we do for "pg_ctl -w start". >> >> Comments? > > I was thinking that maybe this should be a new feature in an existing > tool, however I don't think pg_ctl would satisfy my use case as it's > normally bundled with the server. This would need to be something that > I could install just a client package. It's not a deal breaker, but it > makes things more complex. > > How about adding it as an option to psql? That's not to say that I > think we shouldn't also add it to 'pg_ctl status'. +1 Pavel > >> >> -- >> Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us >> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >> >> + It's impossible for everything to be true. + > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
Bruce Momjian writes: > I don't see any tool using PQping except pg_ctl. Perhaps we should > modify "pg_ctl status" to use PQping. Right now is only checks the > postmaster.pid file, and checks to see that the pid is a running > postmaster. What it currently doesn't do is to check if the server is > accepting connections with PQping(), like we do for "pg_ctl -w start". The thing about pg_ctl is that it requires access to the data directory (and still would, in the variant you propose). If we were going to do something like what Phil suggests then I think it ought to be something usable remotely. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:01:36PM -0400, Phil Sorber wrote: >> I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that >> utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't >> find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have >> something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of >> performing a health check that also supports nagios style status >> output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. It's >> not currently ready for submission to a commitfest, but if there was >> an interest I would clean it up so that it would be. > > I don't see any tool using PQping except pg_ctl. Perhaps we should > modify "pg_ctl status" to use PQping. Right now is only checks the > postmaster.pid file, and checks to see that the pid is a running > postmaster. What it currently doesn't do is to check if the server is > accepting connections with PQping(), like we do for "pg_ctl -w start". > > Comments? I was thinking that maybe this should be a new feature in an existing tool, however I don't think pg_ctl would satisfy my use case as it's normally bundled with the server. This would need to be something that I could install just a client package. It's not a deal breaker, but it makes things more complex. How about adding it as an option to psql? That's not to say that I think we shouldn't also add it to 'pg_ctl status'. > > -- > Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us > EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com > > + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] PQping command line tool
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:01:36PM -0400, Phil Sorber wrote: > I was wondering recently if there was any command line tool that > utilized PQping() or PQpingParams(). I searched the code and couldn't > find anything and was wondering if there was any interest to have > something like this included? I wrote something for my purposes of > performing a health check that also supports nagios style status > output. It's probably convenient for scripting purposes as well. It's > not currently ready for submission to a commitfest, but if there was > an interest I would clean it up so that it would be. I don't see any tool using PQping except pg_ctl. Perhaps we should modify "pg_ctl status" to use PQping. Right now is only checks the postmaster.pid file, and checks to see that the pid is a running postmaster. What it currently doesn't do is to check if the server is accepting connections with PQping(), like we do for "pg_ctl -w start". Comments? -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
