Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On fre, 2011-07-08 at 22:27 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Ashutosh Bapat ashutosh.ba...@enterprisedb.com wrote: I think, tab1 and tab2 are too common names, for anyone to pick up for the tables. Also, the test alter_table.sql is dropping many other tables (even those which have undergone renaming), then why not these two? Beats me, but I don't see any particular value to changing it. It has occurred to me a few times that it could be useful to clarify the approach here. If we could somehow have a separable cleanup step for every test, and eliminate interdependencies between tests, we could more easily support a number of uses cases such as creating a completely populated regression test database for playing, or running tests in random order or in differently parallelized scenarios. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On Jul 12, 2011, at 4:46 AM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On fre, 2011-07-08 at 22:27 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Ashutosh Bapat ashutosh.ba...@enterprisedb.com wrote: I think, tab1 and tab2 are too common names, for anyone to pick up for the tables. Also, the test alter_table.sql is dropping many other tables (even those which have undergone renaming), then why not these two? Beats me, but I don't see any particular value to changing it. It has occurred to me a few times that it could be useful to clarify the approach here. If we could somehow have a separable cleanup step for every test, and eliminate interdependencies between tests, we could more easily support a number of uses cases such as creating a completely populated regression test database for playing, or running tests in random order or in differently parallelized scenarios. True. ...Robert -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: It has occurred to me a few times that it could be useful to clarify the approach here. If we could somehow have a separable cleanup step for every test, and eliminate interdependencies between tests, we could more easily support a number of uses cases such as creating a completely populated regression test database for playing, or running tests in random order or in differently parallelized scenarios. The limiting case of this is that each regression test script would be expected to start in an empty database and leave the DB empty on exit. I think that would make the tests less useful, not more, for several reasons: 1. They'd be slower, since every test would have to start by creating and populating some tables. 2. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as an environment for running ad-hoc manual tests. 3. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as a test case for pg_dump and pg_upgrade. The ALTER TABLE tests are particularly useful in connection with #3, because they leave around tables that have been modified in various ways. I'm not sure that the particular tables in question here are of any great value for stressing pg_dump, but in general I'd not want to see a push to make alter_table.sql clean up after itself. We could of course address all these issues in some more-formal way. But I don't think it's a good idea to say let's make the regression tests less messy without understanding that they have these additional use-cases that have to be catered for somehow. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On tis, 2011-07-12 at 08:51 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: It has occurred to me a few times that it could be useful to clarify the approach here. If we could somehow have a separable cleanup step for every test, and eliminate interdependencies between tests, we could more easily support a number of uses cases such as creating a completely populated regression test database for playing, or running tests in random order or in differently parallelized scenarios. The limiting case of this is that each regression test script would be expected to start in an empty database and leave the DB empty on exit. I think that would make the tests less useful, not more, for several reasons: 1. They'd be slower, since every test would have to start by creating and populating some tables. 2. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as an environment for running ad-hoc manual tests. 3. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as a test case for pg_dump and pg_upgrade. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wanted take out the cleanup parts out of all test cases and make it a choice whether to run them. Right now we have a lot of test cases that clean up after themselves, which is useful in some cases (testing the cleaning, for one thing), but not useful for 2. and 3. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On tis, 2011-07-12 at 08:51 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: It has occurred to me a few times that it could be useful to clarify the approach here. If we could somehow have a separable cleanup step for every test, and eliminate interdependencies between tests, we could more easily support a number of uses cases such as creating a completely populated regression test database for playing, or running tests in random order or in differently parallelized scenarios. The limiting case of this is that each regression test script would be expected to start in an empty database and leave the DB empty on exit. I think that would make the tests less useful, not more, for several reasons: 1. They'd be slower, since every test would have to start by creating and populating some tables. 2. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as an environment for running ad-hoc manual tests. 3. The final state of the regression database would no longer be useful as a test case for pg_dump and pg_upgrade. If the tests are leaving behind the objects unintentionally, we can not be sure whether the state of the objects before upgrade/dump (or for that matter anything else) is intentional. If one needs to test upgrade and dump truly, the state of objects in the database, just before upgrading/dumping, needs to be arrived in a controlled manner. IOW, if a test wants to leave behind objects in certain state for some further testing, it should be intentional. May be those objects should be annotated so (say, in the comments?). All the other objects be better cleaned up. Said that, these particular two tables have very common names tab1 and tab2, which someone can pick up easily, thus linking two testcases unintentionally. So, at least we can make sure that if we use such common names for the objects, we clean them up at the end of test. If some object needs to be left behind we can give it a special name (say, the name includes the test case name, like alter_tab_tab1), so that there is lesser chance of interference with later tests. In case of #2 and #3 it also serves the purpose 1. Identifying the testcase which created/manipulated these objects last 2. We can trace the things that affected this object, before it came to a certain state. This can be useful information in debugging problems. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wanted take out the cleanup parts out of all test cases and make it a choice whether to run them. Right now we have a lot of test cases that clean up after themselves, which is useful in some cases (testing the cleaning, for one thing), but not useful for 2. and 3. -- Best Wishes, Ashutosh Bapat EntepriseDB Corporation The Enterprise Postgres Company
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Ashutosh Bapat ashutosh.ba...@enterprisedb.com wrote: I think, tab1 and tab2 are too common names, for anyone to pick up for the tables. Also, the test alter_table.sql is dropping many other tables (even those which have undergone renaming), then why not these two? Beats me, but I don't see any particular value to changing it. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Ashutosh Bapat ashutosh.ba...@enterprisedb.com wrote: I noticed that the test alter_table.sql is creating two tables tab1 and tab2 and it's not dropping it. Any test which follows this test and tries to create tables with names tab1 and tab2 will fail (unless it drops those tables first, but that may not work, since tab2.y depends upon tab1 in alter_table.sql). PFA patch which drops these two tables from alter_table.sql and corresponding OUT change. The regression run clean with this patch. The regression tests leave lots of objects lying around in the regression database... why drop these two, as opposed to any of the others? -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] dropping table in testcase alter_table.sql
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Ashutosh Bapat ashutosh.ba...@enterprisedb.com wrote: I noticed that the test alter_table.sql is creating two tables tab1 and tab2 and it's not dropping it. Any test which follows this test and tries to create tables with names tab1 and tab2 will fail (unless it drops those tables first, but that may not work, since tab2.y depends upon tab1 in alter_table.sql). PFA patch which drops these two tables from alter_table.sql and corresponding OUT change. The regression run clean with this patch. The regression tests leave lots of objects lying around in the regression database... why drop these two, as opposed to any of the others? I think, tab1 and tab2 are too common names, for anyone to pick up for the tables. Also, the test alter_table.sql is dropping many other tables (even those which have undergone renaming), then why not these two? -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Best Wishes, Ashutosh Bapat EntepriseDB Corporation The Enterprise Postgres Company
