Re: [SQL] Efficient Searching of Large Text Fields

2006-06-14 Thread Oleg Bartunov

Don't invent a wheel and use contrib/tsearch2 for that.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Aaron Bono wrote:


In another post on a different topic, Rod Taylor said the following:

"A\tcat in   the\nhat" might be stored as ARRAY['A', 'cat', 'in', 'the', 
'hat'].


This got me thinking.  I have a discussion forum for gamers and want
to provide searching capabilities so the user can type in a phrase
like "magical bow" and get all posts, sorted by relevance that contain
these words.

My questions are:
1. Will storing the posts in an ARRAY help improve performance of
these searches?  If so, by how much?
2. What functions or libraries are available to make such searching
easy to implement well?
3. What is the best way to sort by relevance?

Thanks,
Aaron Bono

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Re: [SQL] Efficient Searching of Large Text Fields

2006-06-14 Thread Achilleus Mantzios
O Oleg Bartunov έγραψε στις Jun 14, 2006 :

> Don't invent a wheel and use contrib/tsearch2 for that.

Hi Oleg,

i just wanted to ask if anything close to 
exact phrase matching could be deployed/implemented with tsearch2.

> 
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Aaron Bono wrote:
> 
> > In another post on a different topic, Rod Taylor said the following:
> >
> > "A\tcat in   the\nhat" might be stored as ARRAY['A', 'cat', 'in', 'the', 
> > 'hat'].
> >
> > This got me thinking.  I have a discussion forum for gamers and want
> > to provide searching capabilities so the user can type in a phrase
> > like "magical bow" and get all posts, sorted by relevance that contain
> > these words.
> >
> > My questions are:
> > 1. Will storing the posts in an ARRAY help improve performance of
> > these searches?  If so, by how much?
> > 2. What functions or libraries are available to make such searching
> > easy to implement well?
> > 3. What is the best way to sort by relevance?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aaron Bono
> >
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>   Regards,
>   Oleg
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Re: [SQL] Efficient Searching of Large Text Fields

2006-06-14 Thread Oleg Bartunov

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Aaron Bono wrote:


I will look that tsearch (at .  It appears their 8.1.x version is
still in development and I use PostgreSQL 8.1.3 but it is worth trying
- I'm not in a hurry for that feature anyway.

I also looked at PHPBB a little - it appears their database stores
words but the code is so difficult to dig through I was not sure about
their implementation or even what they used it for.  Would it be worth
the work to save the text into a separate searchable table that kept
individual words and word counts or would that be more work and eat up
more space than it is worth?  You could actually index the words that
way and get much quicker searches.  Then again, as I read through
tsearch, it may make this approach unnecessary...

I have also seen what looks like people using search results tables
that, after a search is performed, save a list of the results.  For
example, if I were doing a search of a forum, I could save the search
in a table like this:

forum_topic
 forum_topic_id (PK)
 forum_topic_name
 etc...

forum_topic_search
 forum_topic_search_id (PK)
 forum_topic_search_dt
 forum_topic_search_desc

forum_topic_search_results
 forum_topic_search_results_id (PK)
 forum_topic_search_id (FK)
 sort_index (int to tell us the order the results are returned in)
 forum_topic_id (FK)

This way you can allow users to page through the results without
having to constantly research or cache the results somewhere in
memory.

Has anyone tried an approach like this?

When do you clean these search tables out?  They could get quite large
after a while.


You might be surprized, but queries in general are very similar. 
Analyze your search log, after normalization you could estimate the total

number of distinct queries. We developed search daemon for the big blog
and it worked quite well.



Thanks!
Aaron

On 6/13/06, Rod Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It won't help at all. Fast partial matches against arrays is nearly
impossible. You might take a look at tsearch though.


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[SQL] how to replace 0xe28093 char with another one?

2006-06-14 Thread Sergey Levchenko

hi.

When I execute "SELECT specification FROM armature WHERE id = 96;"
query I get WARNING:  ignoring unconvertible UTF-8 character 0xe28093.
How can I replace this (0xe28093) char with another one?

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[SQL] Prepared statements in PGSQL functions

2006-06-14 Thread Milen Kulev
Hi Listers,
I want to use prepared statement in a function. Here is my code:

create or replace function  generate_data 
( integer, integer )
returns integer
as
$BODY$
declare 
p_count alias for $1;
p_max_value_id1 alias for $2;
v_max_value_id1 integer  ; 
v_id1 int;
v_id2 int;
v_filler varchar(200) := repeat('BIGSTRING', 3);
begin
v_id1:= round(  (random()* v_max_value_id1)::bigint,0);
v_id2:= round(  (random()* v_max_value_id1)::bigint,0);
prepare  mystmt( int, int, varchar) as insert into part 
values ($1,$2,$3);
execute  mystmt(v_id1, v_id2, v_filler );
deallocate mystmt;
end;
$BODY$
language plpgsql ; 


Definition of table part is :

CREATE TABLE part (
id1int not null,
id2int not null,
filler varchar(200)
);


When I try to  call my function I am getting the following errors :
postgres=# select  * from  gen (10, 10 );
ERROR:  function mystmt(integer, integer, character varying) does not exist
HINT:  No function matches the given name and argument types. You may need to 
add explicit type casts.
CONTEXT:  SQL statement "SELECT  mystmt( $1 ,  $2 ,  $3  )"
PL/pgSQL function "gen" line 12 at execute statement


How to solve my problem ? Is it possible at all to call prepared statement 
inside a function at all?


Regards. MILEN 


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Re: [SQL] Prepared statements in PGSQL functions

2006-06-14 Thread A. Kretschmer
am  14.06.2006, um 15:12:36 +0200 mailte Milen Kulev folgendes:
> How to solve my problem ? Is it possible at all to call prepared statement 
> inside a function at all?

Yes, i have a example:

create or replace function foo() returns text as $$
declare sql text;
begin
sql := 'prepare bla(int) as select now();';
execute sql;
sql := 'execute bla(1);';
execute sql;
return 'ready';
end
$$ language plpgsql;

test=*# select foo();
  foo
---
 ready
(1 row)

You should execute strings in plpgsql, not prepared statements.


HTH, Andreas
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Re: [SQL] how to replace 0xe28093 char with another one?

2006-06-14 Thread Aaron Bono

That character is the EN Dash.  Are you by chance copying and pasting
from MS Word or some other program that does smart replace while you
type?  I don't see this character in your select.  Is there something
else that is running that may be causing this problem?

-Aaron

On 6/14/06, Sergey Levchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

hi.

When I execute "SELECT specification FROM armature WHERE id = 96;"
query I get WARNING:  ignoring unconvertible UTF-8 character 0xe28093.
How can I replace this (0xe28093) char with another one?


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Re: [SQL] Prepared statements in PGSQL functions

2006-06-14 Thread Tom Lane
"Milen Kulev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I want to use prepared statement in a function.

Why?  You seem not to be aware that plpgsql implicitly prepares
statements behind the scenes.

>   prepare  mystmt( int, int, varchar) as insert into part 
> values ($1,$2,$3);
>   execute  mystmt(v_id1, v_id2, v_filler );
>   deallocate mystmt;

If that worked it would be *exactly* the same as just doing

insert into part values (v_id1, v_id2, v_filler);

except for being slower due to re-preparing each time through the
function.  So don't waste your time trying to outsmart the language.

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Re: [SQL] Prepared statements in PGSQL functions

2006-06-14 Thread Milen Kulev


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Lane
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:35 PM
To: Milen Kulev
Cc: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [SQL] Prepared statements in PGSQL functions 


"Milen Kulev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I want to use prepared statement in a function (your comments below).  Wanted
 just to test the difference ...

Why?  You seem not to be aware that plpgsql implicitly prepares statements 
behind the scenes.

&&>> I already have a version with "direct" insert ( just as you say a couple 
of lines below)

>   prepare  mystmt( int, int, varchar) as insert into part 
> values ($1,$2,$3);
>   execute  mystmt(v_id1, v_id2, v_filler );
>   deallocate mystmt;

If that worked it would be *exactly* the same as just doing

insert into part values (v_id1, v_id2, v_filler);

except for being slower due to re-preparing each time through the function.  So 
don't waste your time trying to outsmart
the language.

>> My idea was to prepare the statment once and execute it in a loop  many 
>> times (within a procedure/function).  Anyway,
obviously there is no performance gain in using prepared statement in functions.
Regards. Milen 

regards, tom lane

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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Mark Adan
Hi

Can somebody direct me to the mailing list for slony.  I couldn't find
it anywhere on the postgres.org website (which is where I found this
list to begin with).  Thanks

Mark


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From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 20:27
To: Mark Adan
Cc: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures 

"Mark Adan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was wondering if where can I find some examples of calling the slony
> stored procedures instead of using slonik?  I want to be able to for
> example add a table into slony.  Thanks

This is likely the wrong bunch to ask --- there's a slony project
mailing list where the right people to ask hang out.  Don't have
the address at hand.

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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Jim Buttafuoco
try www.slony.info



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From: "Mark Adan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:50:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures 

> Hi
> 
> Can somebody direct me to the mailing list for slony.  I couldn't find
> it anywhere on the postgres.org website (which is where I found this
> list to begin with).  Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 20:27
> To: Mark Adan
> Cc: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures
> 
> "Mark Adan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I was wondering if where can I find some examples of calling the slony
> > stored procedures instead of using slonik?  I want to be able to for
> > example add a table into slony.  Thanks
> 
> This is likely the wrong bunch to ask --- there's a slony project
> mailing list where the right people to ask hang out.  Don't have
> the address at hand.
> 
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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Mark Adan
Hi Jim

I looked there already and didn't find what I needed.  I saw this web
page from cbbrowne and he briefly talked about using "bare metal" slony
functions, but doesn't have any examples.

Mark


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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 08:53
To: Mark Adan; pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures 

try www.slony.info



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From: "Mark Adan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:50:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures 

> Hi
> 
> Can somebody direct me to the mailing list for slony.  I couldn't find
> it anywhere on the postgres.org website (which is where I found this
> list to begin with).  Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 20:27
> To: Mark Adan
> Cc: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures
> 
> "Mark Adan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I was wondering if where can I find some examples of calling the
slony
> > stored procedures instead of using slonik?  I want to be able to for
> > example add a table into slony.  Thanks
> 
> This is likely the wrong bunch to ask --- there's a slony project
> mailing list where the right people to ask hang out.  Don't have
> the address at hand.
> 
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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:55:21AM -0700, Mark Adan wrote:
> Hi Jim
> 
> I looked there already and didn't find what I needed.  I saw this web

But the mailing list link is at the top of that page:

http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1

A

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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Mark Adan
Excellent.  I will subscribe to that one.  Thanks

Mark


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 09:14
To: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:55:21AM -0700, Mark Adan wrote:
> Hi Jim
> 
> I looked there already and didn't find what I needed.  I saw this web

But the mailing list link is at the top of that page:

http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1

A

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Re: [SQL] Efficient Searching of Large Text Fields

2006-06-14 Thread Oleg Bartunov

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Achilleus Mantzios wrote:


O Oleg Bartunov ??  Jun 14, 2006 :


Don't invent a wheel and use contrib/tsearch2 for that.


Hi Oleg,

i just wanted to ask if anything close to
exact phrase matching could be deployed/implemented with tsearch2.


not yet, but doable, since we have inverted index support now.
Looking for sponsorship.






On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Aaron Bono wrote:


In another post on a different topic, Rod Taylor said the following:

"A\tcat in   the\nhat" might be stored as ARRAY['A', 'cat', 'in', 'the',
'hat'].

This got me thinking.  I have a discussion forum for gamers and want
to provide searching capabilities so the user can type in a phrase
like "magical bow" and get all posts, sorted by relevance that contain
these words.

My questions are:
1. Will storing the posts in an ARRAY help improve performance of
these searches?  If so, by how much?
2. What functions or libraries are available to make such searching
easy to implement well?
3. What is the best way to sort by relevance?

Thanks,
Aaron Bono

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[SQL] About sequences that works BAD !!!!

2006-06-14 Thread Alexis Palma Espinosa








Hello everyone:

 

We are working with serials fields and we found a
problem with then: When we insert in a table that has e unique restrict, and
this makes insert fails, the sequence increments anyway…¿What we can do
about it?

 

We hope you can help us…..

 

Alexis Palma Espinosa.


Ingeniero en Informática.

"If you are not part of the
solution...you are part of the problem"

 








Re: [SQL] About sequences that works BAD !!!!

2006-06-14 Thread Richard Huxton

Alexis Palma Espinosa wrote:

Hello everyone:



We are working with serials fields and we found a problem with then:
When we insert in a table that has e unique restrict, and this makes
insert fails, the sequence increments anyway...¿What we can do about
it?


Nothing. The whole point of sequences is that they don't lock. They *do* 
guarantee unique numbers, but they *do not* guarantee no gaps.


If you really want a series of ID numbers with no gaps you'll want to do 
something like:


1. Begin transaction
2. Lock table exclusively
3. Find highest existing ID (...ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1)
4. Add one to it
5. Store new row.
6. commit transaction, freeing the lock

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Re: [SQL] About sequences that works BAD !!!!

2006-06-14 Thread Terry Lee Tucker
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 02:02 pm, "Alexis Palma Espinosa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
thus communicated:
--> Hello everyone:
-->
-->
-->
--> We are working with serials fields and we found a problem with then: When
 we insert in a table that has e unique restrict, and this makes insert
 fails, the sequence increments anyway...¿What we can do about it? -->
-->
-->
--> We hope you can help us.
-->
-->
-->

This is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. See the docs:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/static/functions-sequence.html

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[SQL] Requirement for PostgreSQL Database Developer

2006-06-14 Thread Mark



Hi 
,

 
    
    This is Mark with ProV 
International, This email is in regards to the requirement we have with 
one of our direct client in San Diego, 
CA.
 
PostgreSQL 
Database Developer 
This 
position involves creating tables, views, functions and stored procedures to 
support front end OLTP and reporting applications. The ideal developer will have thorough 
knowledge of SQL (PL/pgSQL), experience with at least one other PostgreSQL 
language (e.g. PL/Perl), and extensive experience with complex stored 
procedures, code optimization, and index tuning in 
PostgreSQL.
 
Ideal 
candidate will have the following qualifications:
5+ 
years database development with PostgreSQL
Knowledge 
of at least one other language in addition to PL/pgSQL, such as PL/Perl or 
PL/Java.
Experience 
implementing PostgreSQL replication using Slony-I.
Some 
experience with either SQL Server 2000 or Oracle 9i/10g.
Significant 
background in creating complex stored procedures and SQL 
scripts
Understanding 
of database normalization concepts
Some 
experience in logical and physical database design and 
implementation
Prior 
experience working in a project oriented environment and meeting deadlines under 
tight time constraints
Strong 
analytical skills
Capable 
of working independently with minimal supervision.
 
Location: 
San Diego, CA
Duration: 
6+ months.
 
If 
you find yourself comfortable with this job profile & find it interesting 
please send me your resume in MS Word Format.
 
Kindest Regards,Mark,ProV InternationalTampa, FL 33607Tel 
408-241-7795 Ext: - 27[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.provintl.com 


Re: [SQL] Requirement for PostgreSQL Database Developer

2006-06-14 Thread Tom Lane
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is Mark with ProV International, This email is in regards =
> to the requirement we have with one of our direct client in San Diego, =
> CA.

This is off-topic for pgsql-sql.  Please use pgsql-jobs for this type of
message in future.

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Re: [SQL] Good examples of calling slony stored procedures

2006-06-14 Thread Christopher Browne
Martha Stewart called it a Good Thing when [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Mark Adan") 
wrote:
> I looked there already and didn't find what I needed.  I saw this web
> page from cbbrowne and he briefly talked about using "bare metal" slony
> functions, but doesn't have any examples.

If you look at the source code for the slonik utility, it shows how
the functions actually get used.

In most cases, slonik.c submits fairly simple requests using the
functions in slony1-funcs.sql.

For instance, the slonik MOVE SET (id=1, old origin=11, new origin=22);
command runs a bunch of C "deteriorata" that is a wrapper for:

   select _slony_schema.moveset(1, 22);

Plenty of the commands are about as simple as that.

And this means that, for these "simple" operations, if you want to
submit them via SQL queries, there's a very thin veiling you need to
do to submit the functions as SQL selects.

There are more complex cases, such as FAIL OVER, SET ADD TABLE,
EXECUTE SCRIPT, UPDATE FUNCTIONS, and WAIT FOR EVENT, where there is
considerably complex logic in addition to what is in the stored procs.

Looking at slonik.c is the best thing I can suggest you do...
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