Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Damien Pollet]

I have a mouse with a wheel and it happens to me as well… but it might be
that it only happens when I scroll using the trackpad gesture.

On 18 June 2015 at 11:03, Stephan Eggermont  wrote:

> On 17-06-15 16:58, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>
>  The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am
>> about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The
>> system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes
>> select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can
>> use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history
>> saves my day!
>>
>
> I stopped using a magic mouse for that...
>
> Stephan
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Stephan Eggermont]

On 17-06-15 16:58, Norbert Hartl wrote:


The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am
about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The
system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes
select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can
use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history
saves my day!


I stopped using a magic mouse for that...

Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

This is the case: 
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/5296/Fast-Scroll-Down-produces-weird-events 


Actually, using history is a cool idea to recover after random jumping. I 
myself have a script that overrides hand morph methods to ignore 
ctrl+right_arrow, ctrl+left_arrow. But of course I’m in a big pain when 
something changes.

Uko

> On 18 Jun 2015, at 04:57, Sean P. DeNigris  wrote:
> 
> camille teruel wrote
>> Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.
> 
> Holy #@$! I could never figure out what was going on. Maybe I will finish
> implementing the "better hack for horizontal scrolling" in the VM and
> possibly eradicate this one until we have a proper solution with SDL... or
> maybe that is right around the corner?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Cheers,
> Sean
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Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Sean P. DeNigris]

camille teruel wrote
> Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.

Holy #@$! I could never figure out what was going on. Maybe I will finish
implementing the "better hack for horizontal scrolling" in the VM and
possibly eradicate this one until we have a proper solution with SDL... or
maybe that is right around the corner?



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Cheers,
Sean
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Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:58, Norbert Hartl  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 17.06.2015 um 16:04 schrieb stepharo :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :
>>> I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the 
>>> amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to 
>>> return where I was .
>> 
>> How can we reproduce your problem?
>> Because I do not like to hear that :)
> 
> The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am about 
> to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The system browser 
> happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes 
> select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can use 
> the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history saves my 
> day!
> 
> There is no way for me to reproduce. It just happens a lot of times.

Yes, it is an old problem, as described.
 
I have it too sometimes. You learn not to do certain things.

It is the only reason I use history as well ;-)

> Norbert
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Norbert
>>> 
 Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo :
 
 We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is 
 for one of two methods deep
 because after I do not find my babies. 
 
 Do you use it to spot the method?
 How deep long are going?
 
 Stef
 
 Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
> 
> 
> 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo :
> Hi guys
> 
> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
> history navigation.
> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> 
> I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another 
> history navigation?
>  
> We are also cleaning the group management.
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Norbert Hartl]

> Am 17.06.2015 um 16:04 schrieb stepharo :
> 
> 
> 
> Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :
>> I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the 
>> amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return 
>> where I was .
> 
> How can we reproduce your problem?
> Because I do not like to hear that :)

The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am about to 
touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The system browser 
happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes 
select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can use 
the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history saves my day!

There is no way for me to reproduce. It just happens a lot of times.

Norbert

> 
>> 
>> Norbert
>> 
>>> Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo >> >:
>>> 
>>> We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is 
>>> for one of two methods deep
>>> because after I do not find my babies. 
>>> 
>>> Do you use it to spot the method?
>>> How deep long are going?
>>> 
>>> Stef
>>> 
>>> Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
 
 
 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo >>> >:
 Hi guys
 
 we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
 history navigation.
 So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
 
 I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another 
 history navigation?
  
 We are also cleaning the group management.
 
 Stef
 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Camille]

> On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:04, stepharo  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :
>> I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the 
>> amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return 
>> where I was .
> 
> How can we reproduce your problem?
> Because I do not like to hear that :)
> 

It is an old problem with scrolling.
I use nautilus history for the same reason.
Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.
So when you scroll up/down in the method pane and that you’re not vertical 
enough, the focus either jumps to the middle of the editor (dozen of right 
keypress events, not a big deal) or to another package (dozen of left keypress 
events, annoying).

Camille

>> 
>> Norbert
>> 
>>> Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo >> >:
>>> 
>>> We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is 
>>> for one of two methods deep
>>> because after I do not find my babies. 
>>> 
>>> Do you use it to spot the method?
>>> How deep long are going?
>>> 
>>> Stef
>>> 
>>> Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
 
 
 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo >>> >:
 Hi guys
 
 we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
 history navigation.
 So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
 
 I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another 
 history navigation?
  
 We are also cleaning the group management.
 
 Stef
 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[stepharo]

Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :
I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. 
Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use 
the history to return where I was .


How can we reproduce your problem?
Because I do not like to hear that :)



Norbert

Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo >:


We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually 
this is for one of two methods deep

because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :



2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo >:


Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove
the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.


I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with 
another history navigation?


We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Norbert Hartl]

I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the 
amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return 
where I was .

Norbert

> Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo :
> 
> We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is 
> for one of two methods deep
> because after I do not find my babies. 
> 
> Do you use it to spot the method?
> How deep long are going?
> 
> Stef
> 
> Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo > >:
>> Hi guys
>> 
>> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history 
>> navigation.
>> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
>> 
>> I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another 
>> history navigation?
>>  
>> We are also cleaning the group management.
>> 
>> Stef
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[stepharo]

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this 
is for one of two methods deep

because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :



2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo >:


Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove
the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.


I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another 
history navigation?


We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Franck Warlouzet]

> From: damien.cas...@inria.fr
> To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:27:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...
> 
> 
> stepharo  writes:
> 
> > we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
> > history navigation.
> > So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> > We are also cleaning the group management.
> 
> what about removing the Nautilus history UI (drop-down list) but let
> Nautilus continue saving the information somewhere? That way, Spotter
> can find it.

If you want to keep the classes you watched in a kind of history, you can also 
use the group Most Viewed Classes.

Franck

> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
> 
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
> 
  

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Damien Cassou]

stepharo  writes:

> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
> history navigation.
> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> We are also cleaning the group management.

what about removing the Nautilus history UI (drop-down list) but let
Nautilus continue saving the information somewhere? That way, Spotter
can find it.

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Dimitris Chloupis]

me too, quite a lot

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:19 PM p...@highoctane.be 
wrote:

> I use it too.
> Le 16 juin 2015 22:10, "Nicolai Hess"  a écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo :
>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
>>> history navigation.
>>> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
>>>
>>
>> I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another
>> history navigation?
>>
>>
>>> We are also cleaning the group management.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[p...@highoctane.be]

I use it too.
Le 16 juin 2015 22:10, "Nicolai Hess"  a écrit :

>
>
> 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo :
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
>> history navigation.
>> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
>>
>
> I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another
> history navigation?
>
>
>> We are also cleaning the group management.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Nicolai Hess]

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo :

> Hi guys
>
> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
> history navigation.
> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
>

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another
history navigation?


> We are also cleaning the group management.
>
> Stef
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[Thierry Goubier]

Hi Stef,

Do you mean removing HistoryNavigation completely?

Thierry

Le 16/06/2015 18:00, stepharo a écrit :

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

[Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

[stepharo]

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the 
history navigation.

So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef