Re: [Pharo-dev] create snapshots out of github based packages

[Dimitris Chloupis]

nice to hear that my very old complaint about filetrees habit of breaking
down everything to small files has caught and there is even a project I am
not aware of that deal with this. Though my motivation was mostly
readability and not speed of loading. Great work! :)

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:35 AM Esteban Lorenzano 
wrote:

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> > On 10 Dec 2017, at 21:37, Stephan Eggermont  wrote:
> >
> > Op 10-12-2017 om 15:44 schreef Cyril Ferlicot:
> >> On dim. 10 déc. 2017 at 15:07, Nicolai Hess  wrote:
> >>>And I don't mean 1 or 2 thousand files.
> >>>Loading bloc for example creates over 20.000 files.
> >>>This is damn slow on windows.
> >> This is one of the reasons Esteban created Tonel I think. With Tonel
> there is 1 file par class instead of 1 file per method. Once it will be
> really stable, moving projects to Tonel should speed up things on Windows.
> >
> > Indeed. An even larger problem is the write amplification: Minimium disk
> file size of 4KB means a slow down of a factor 20. 1 (primary) file per
> class and sorting the methods helps a lot. Doing that in a cross-platform
> compatible way so we can easier share source code needs some further
> refinement
>
> and btw since we moved pharo to tonel windows is a viable platform:
> commits became seconds instead minutes (lots of minutes).
> still work to do there, but we are getting closer… ;)
>
> Esteban
>
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] create snapshots out of github based packages

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 10 Dec 2017, at 21:37, Stephan Eggermont  wrote:
> 
> Op 10-12-2017 om 15:44 schreef Cyril Ferlicot:
>> On dim. 10 déc. 2017 at 15:07, Nicolai Hess >>And I don't mean 1 or 2 thousand files.
>>>Loading bloc for example creates over 20.000 files.
>>>This is damn slow on windows.
>> This is one of the reasons Esteban created Tonel I think. With Tonel there 
>> is 1 file par class instead of 1 file per method. Once it will be really 
>> stable, moving projects to Tonel should speed up things on Windows.
> 
> Indeed. An even larger problem is the write amplification: Minimium disk file 
> size of 4KB means a slow down of a factor 20. 1 (primary) file per class and 
> sorting the methods helps a lot. Doing that in a cross-platform compatible 
> way so we can easier share source code needs some further refinement

and btw since we moved pharo to tonel windows is a viable platform: commits 
became seconds instead minutes (lots of minutes).
still work to do there, but we are getting closer… ;)

Esteban

> 
> Stephan
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] create snapshots out of github based packages

[Stephan Eggermont]

Op 10-12-2017 om 15:44 schreef Cyril Ferlicot:

On dim. 10 déc. 2017 at 15:07, Nicolai Hess 

Re: [Pharo-dev] create snapshots out of github based packages

[Cyril Ferlicot]

On dim. 10 déc. 2017 at 15:07, Nicolai Hess  wrote:

> Is there any way to create a "snapshot" of a project from a git based
> repository.
> Something that creates a "condensed" old style mcz package ?
> Maybe there is already something and I missed it ?
>
> Because now I am just a little shocked how much files are created during
> loading
> a project.
>
> I did some tests with gtoolkit bloc and calypso.
> Sure, bloc or gtoollkit may be huge projects, but they produce thousands
> of files.
> And I don't mean 1 or 2 thousand files.
> Loading bloc for example creates over 20.000 files.
>
> This is damn slow on windows.
>
Hi,

This is one of the reasons Esteban created Tonel I think. With Tonel there
is 1 file par class instead of 1 file per method. Once it will be really
stable, moving projects to Tonel should speed up things on Windows.
-- 
Cyril Ferlicot
https://ferlicot.fr

http://www.synectique.eu
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[Pharo-dev] create snapshots out of github based packages

[Nicolai Hess]

Is there any way to create a "snapshot" of a project from a git based
repository.
Something that creates a "condensed" old style mcz package ?
Maybe there is already something and I missed it ?

Because now I am just a little shocked how much files are created during
loading
a project.

I did some tests with gtoolkit bloc and calypso.
Sure, bloc or gtoollkit may be huge projects, but they produce thousands of
files.
And I don't mean 1 or 2 thousand files.
Loading bloc for example creates over 20.000 files.

This is damn slow on windows.