Re: [Pharo-project] databases
On Feb 18, 2010, at 00:43 , csra...@bol.com.br wrote: All those interesting pieces of information about what works and what does not is very valuable. Is there a means of having a place in Pharo Wiki where we could publish and update this? Yes, sure. Please add a page to the wiki http://code.google.com/p/pharo/w/list (if you don't have access, please send me the mail address of your google account). Some of the mentioned DB clients are also listed here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo Cheers, Adrian -- Cesar Rabak Em 17/02/2010 13:05, Germán Arduino gardu...@gmail.com escreveu: 2010/2/17 Dave Woodward davewoodw...@promedmedical.net On 2/17/10 6:46 AM, Germán Arduino wrote: 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? Magma is the option I select, but not tried yet on Pharo. Magma 1.0v43 works on Pharo, Good to know. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] inspiring CRUD like
I think that the idea is really interesting to capture a lot of lists collection like application http://www.query-vision.com/qv.html Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Problems using java code importer with inFusion under windows
Hi, i was using moose in windows and i had an error trying to use the function import from Java source with inFusion. Seems that OSProcess doesn't work properly. To reproduce the error just try to import java code using this function in the Moose panel in windows. In Mac i never had problem using that cool function. Anybody can help me to figure out where the problem is? Thanks in advance for the support, Fabrizio PS: Here the stack trace: --- The full stack --- UndefinedObject(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #nextPutAll: ExternalWindowsOSProcessvalue ExternalWindowsOSProcess classcommand: WindowsProcesscommand: WindowsProcesswaitForCommand: OSProcess classwaitForCommand: MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardvalidateImportation [] in MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardperformTerminateButtonAction [] in ProgressInitiationExceptiondefaultAction BlockClosureensure: ProgressInitiationExceptiondefaultAction UndefinedObjecthandleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)handleSignal: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)signal ProgressInitiationExceptiondisplay:at:from:to:during: ProgressInitiationException classdisplay:at:from:to:during: PSUIManager(MorphicUIManager)displayProgress:at:from:to:during: MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardperformTerminateButtonAction WizardLastPaneterminateButtonAction PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)performAction PluggableButtonMorphPlusperformAction [] in PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)mouseUp: Array(SequenceableCollection)do: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)mouseUp: PluggableButtonMorphPlusmouseUp: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleMouseUp: MouseButtonEventsentTo: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleEvent: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleFocusEvent: [] in HandMorphsendFocusEvent:to:clear: [] in PasteUpMorphbecomeActiveDuring: BlockClosureon:do: PasteUpMorphbecomeActiveDuring: HandMorphsendFocusEvent:to:clear: HandMorphsendEvent:focus:clear: HandMorphsendMouseEvent: HandMorphhandleEvent: HandMorphprocessEvents [] in WorldStatedoOneCycleNowFor: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Array(SequenceableCollection)do: WorldStatehandsDo: WorldStatedoOneCycleNowFor: WorldStatedoOneCycleFor: PasteUpMorphdoOneCycle [] in Project classspawnNewProcess [] in BlockClosurenewProcess ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Problems using java code importer with inFusion under windows
The command send to OSProcess is a Unix-specific command .This command generate the mse file usimg the '.sh' file from inFusion. The solution add a condition, and use the .bat file (and the command line that come with ) if the OS is windows. 2010/2/18 Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com Hi, i was using moose in windows and i had an error trying to use the function import from Java source with inFusion. Seems that OSProcess doesn't work properly. To reproduce the error just try to import java code using this function in the Moose panel in windows. In Mac i never had problem using that cool function. Anybody can help me to figure out where the problem is? Thanks in advance for the support, Fabrizio PS: Here the stack trace: --- The full stack --- UndefinedObject(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #nextPutAll: ExternalWindowsOSProcessvalue ExternalWindowsOSProcess classcommand: WindowsProcesscommand: WindowsProcesswaitForCommand: OSProcess classwaitForCommand: MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardvalidateImportation [] in MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardperformTerminateButtonAction [] in ProgressInitiationExceptiondefaultAction BlockClosureensure: ProgressInitiationExceptiondefaultAction UndefinedObjecthandleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)handleSignal: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)signal ProgressInitiationExceptiondisplay:at:from:to:during: ProgressInitiationException classdisplay:at:from:to:during: PSUIManager(MorphicUIManager)displayProgress:at:from:to:during: MooseImportFromJavaSourceFilesWizardperformTerminateButtonAction WizardLastPaneterminateButtonAction PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)performAction PluggableButtonMorphPlusperformAction [] in PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)mouseUp: Array(SequenceableCollection)do: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(PluggableButtonMorph)mouseUp: PluggableButtonMorphPlusmouseUp: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleMouseUp: MouseButtonEventsentTo: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleEvent: PluggableButtonMorphPlus(Morph)handleFocusEvent: [] in HandMorphsendFocusEvent:to:clear: [] in PasteUpMorphbecomeActiveDuring: BlockClosureon:do: PasteUpMorphbecomeActiveDuring: HandMorphsendFocusEvent:to:clear: HandMorphsendEvent:focus:clear: HandMorphsendMouseEvent: HandMorphhandleEvent: HandMorphprocessEvents [] in WorldStatedoOneCycleNowFor: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Array(SequenceableCollection)do: WorldStatehandsDo: WorldStatedoOneCycleNowFor: WorldStatedoOneCycleFor: PasteUpMorphdoOneCycle [] in Project classspawnNewProcess [] in BlockClosurenewProcess ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] inspiring CRUD like
Looks a bit like an ugly and light version of DabbleDB :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/inspiring-CRUD-like-tp1559798p1559928.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10511
just a question. I remember that we discussed sort: / sorted (check 25 december 2009 thread) - sort: should be understood by SortedCollection and all the others more or less for inplace change and what is missing is sorted returning a new version So marcus is sort: (in place that you add?) We should create an issue for sorted Stef On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: 10511 - Issue 1984: add sort: for Seaside -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1884: NetNameResolver doesn't work in PharoCore
thanks for the information. Stef On 2/17/10 5:03 PM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El mié, 17-02-2010 a las 16:12 -0500, Dave Woodward escribió: I got it working in OS X by also changing the tcp/ip IPv6 setting from Automatically to Off. I haven't tried it in Linux yet. Hope this helps. I don't understand, what you changed, the OS X settings or the image code settings (I didn't know about settings for ipv6 in pharo). I had to do both changes. I changed the NetNameResolver in the image, AND I changed OS X's settings. I believe that it didn't work without also changing OS X. FWIW, I worked on a project last year that used Erlang, and it had the same problem on OS X. I know IPv6 is supposed to be the new standard and all, but it sure seems to cause more problems when its on than off :). Maybe unrelated, some months ago, my wife's macbook caused my linux laptop to disconnect every time she connected to the wireless network. We had any idea but after a while we noticed that even if I had a perfect working connection after she connected my connection crashed. I had to disconnect, she connected, and then after she had a connection I connected. After some research I found that OS X had a setting in the airport configuration about ipv6. I disabled it lefting only the ipv4 settings enabled. We never had a problem after that. As I said, maybe unrelated but... mac os, ipv6, problems. Cheers -- Dave Woodward ... www.promedmedical.net davewoodw...@promedmedical.net ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharo crashes
I imagine that you can also recoever from another image. At least in VW we could do that. Nathan the first thing to do is to copy your image/changes because each time to receover you add new info to you changes. So if you screw it up now. Go back to before the first time you crashed because all your changes are still there. This is juts a matter of identifying them. Pay attention that we do not have classDefinition as in Cuis and VW so doit for class definition should be replayed too. finally did you save your code with monticello? Because this is the best way, publish often. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs You then have created a changeset file, which can be easily loaded with a drag and drop from your OS desktop to the Pharo image. Alternatively, you can use the file loader. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 03:13, Nathan Tuttle wrote: One thing. It looks like there is a changes file that has more up to date information. How do I pull this in? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: I also had the very same feeling the first times I used the recover lost changes option. Now that I gained experience, I live comfortably with it. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Nathan Tuttle wrote: actually, to tell the truth I figured out how to get most of my methods back. But not the right versions. I wonder if I can back out the changes and try to select the ones that I do need, but there are soo many. It does throw an error when I select multiple changesets. When I use the remove do it that helps the most. its just such a mess right now On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: Hi Nathan, Is there any way to do a recovery besides the Recover Lost Changes option that doesn't seem to work? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? I have always been happy with it. Does it raise an error? It seems the change log that was left behind has some promising things in it. You can directly inspect the .changes file next to your image. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] inspiring CRUD like
Yes but I would love to have one like that in opensource mode that we can tweak it. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Geert Claes wrote: Looks a bit like an ugly and light version of DabbleDB :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/inspiring-CRUD-like-tp1559798p1559928.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
Dear All, We've also created a (little) project that uses Magma: http://www.squeaksource.com/SunnysidePlanning2/ http://www.squeaksource.com/SunnysidePlanning2/We've noticed, if you cache the correct things, Magma is single user very fast; but also highly scalable (ha options + the number of items it can hold in a collection). Once the initial setUp was done, adding new behaviour on our domain objects took no effort. No effort at all. It just got saved ... Kind Regards, Bart 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMagma'; load. (Smalltalk at:#ConfigurationOfMagma) project latestVersion load Fantastic ! and there's also: ConfigurationOfGlorpDBX ConfigurationOfSQLite3 ConfigurationOfSqueakDBX Laurent Laffont 2010/2/17 Germán Arduino gardu...@gmail.com 2010/2/17 Dave Woodward davewoodw...@promedmedical.net On 2/17/10 6:46 AM, Germán Arduino wrote: 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? Magma is the option I select, but not tried yet on Pharo. Magma 1.0v43 works on Pharo, Good to know. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere - Albert Einstein Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. - Albert Einstein However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. - Sir Winston Churchill It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. - Sir Winston Churchill ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
I like the idea that you do not have to change your root class superclass to get it saved. Stef On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Matthias Berth wrote: Laurent, you might want to have a look at SqueakSave http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/projects/squeaksave/index.html an object-relational (O/R) mapping framework. It looks similar to the rails ActiveRecord framework (from what I have seen so far) so it might be fine in scenarios where you absolutely want a relational database. A bit older: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5024583807516452190hl=en# 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com: Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? - Which object database can be accessed from Smalltalk AND Ruby or Python ? How ? - I want to try MySQL too. Is there up to date small applications on squeaksource which show this stuff quite well ? Thanks for help ! Laurent Laffont ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11214
On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: 11214 - Issue 1945: registration mechanism for the menu Very nice, Alain!!! alain this is really cool Where is the menu created? Stef Issue 1974: remove #disableSubmorphFocusForHand: (part 1) -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
Can you give the names of the files because I should have them on my disc :) Stef On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: I am not sure to understand. Running XML-Testing in my image results in 835 run, 789 errors. These tests rely on external files that I have no clue where to find them. Cheers, Alexandre On 17 Feb 2010, at 08:12, Tudor Girba wrote: I also used it for several projects without problems. Cheers, Doru On 17 Feb 2010, at 12:09, George Herolyants wrote: 2010/2/17 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: I would be good to make the test of mike running. It runs without much problems. I did it. But a lot of the tests fail or execute with errors. I don't know if it's supposed to be so or not. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com Speaking louder won't make the point worthier. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
2010/2/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Can you give the names of the files because I should have them on my disc :) Of course: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip. Actually this is mentioned in the class comment of the XMLParserTests from the XML-Testing package. There are also instructions on how to configure your environment to use these files. Here's a part of it: XMLParserTests uses XML tests by James Clark, Sun, and OASIS. These tests are distributed as test suite by OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip This link can be found on the page: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/testsuite.htm. To run the test suite you must: Install the OASIS test suite on your hard drive Edit the class method baseTestDirectory to include the full path of the directory containing the OASIS test suite. install Sunit. Run the tests the standard way: TestRunner open Actually the page mentioned doesn't exist anymore AFAICS, because they have the Second Edition of this test suite now: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/xml-test-suite.shtml and the test suite itself: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/suite-v1se/xmlconf-20010315.tar.gz ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Window resize
Is there an event when the Squeak window is resized, so one can react and resize morphs accordingly? Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
2010/2/17 Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu: Hi George, I included your change found on http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php? id=7441 in XML-Parser-Alexandre_Bergel.27 The test of CAnalyzer and Adore (which intensively use XMLParser) are ok. Thanks for your improvement. Thank you! Glad to help. :) George ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
2010/2/17 Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu: I am not sure to understand. Running XML-Testing in my image results in 835 run, 789 errors. These tests rely on external files that I have no clue where to find them. Running these tests with required files gives the following results: 835 run, 303 passes, 0 expected failures, 481 failures, 51 errors, 0 unexpected passes And for the Second Edition of the test suite: 835 run, 300 passes, 0 expected failures, 481 failures, 54 errors, 0 unexpected passes ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11214
Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: 11214 - Issue 1945: registration mechanism for the menu Very nice, Alain!!! alain this is really cool thanks Where is the menu created? see PasteUpMorphinvokeWorldMenu: evt. the menu building is implemented in WorldState. see the #'world menu building' method category. to see all menu registration methods, just browse all senders to #worldMenu (the pragma keyword). See also MenuRegistration and PragmaMenuBuilder comments. Alain Stef Issue 1974: remove #disableSubmorphFocusForHand: (part 1) -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph: Window with title
Yes, #labelled: does a basic new, sets label then an initialize. #initialize for a StandardWindow sets a default title and so overwrites the previous specified label. IMHO this is an abuse of #intialize in the #labelled: method! Probably done for performance (though likely undetectable). I suggest rewriting #labelled: to ^self new setLabel: labelString Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: [Pharo-project] Polymorph: Window with title Hi Gary, there is a difference here, first one displays the title while the second one not: window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Foo'. window openInWorld vs. window := StandardWindow labelled: 'Foo'. window openInWorld An explicit #title: call is required here. Bye T. -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Window resize
Not yet... perhaps an announcement could be done in PasteUpMorphrestoreMorphicDisplay. Alternatively, some sort of layout policy could be used on the World for your example. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de To: squeak-...@lists.squeakfoundation.org; pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: [Pharo-project] Window resize Is there an event when the Squeak window is resized, so one can react and resize morphs accordingly? Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
thanks Indded I found xmlconf.zip on my disc now what would be great is to be able to have such files used by the tests. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:34 PM, George Herolyants wrote: 2010/2/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Can you give the names of the files because I should have them on my disc :) Of course: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip. Actually this is mentioned in the class comment of the XMLParserTests from the XML-Testing package. There are also instructions on how to configure your environment to use these files. Here's a part of it: XMLParserTests uses XML tests by James Clark, Sun, and OASIS. These tests are distributed as test suite by OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip This link can be found on the page: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/testsuite.htm. To run the test suite you must: Install the OASIS test suite on your hard drive Edit the class method baseTestDirectory to include the full path of the directory containing the OASIS test suite. install Sunit. Run the tests the standard way: TestRunner open Actually the page mentioned doesn't exist anymore AFAICS, because they have the Second Edition of this test suite now: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/xml-test-suite.shtml and the test suite itself: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/suite-v1se/xmlconf-20010315.tar.gz ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
2010/2/18 George Herolyants george.herolya...@gmail.com: Running these tests with required files gives the following results: 835 run, 303 passes, 0 expected failures, 481 failures, 51 errors, 0 unexpected passes And for the Second Edition of the test suite: 835 run, 300 passes, 0 expected failures, 481 failures, 54 errors, 0 unexpected passes Oh, sorry. Running them on the latest version of XML-Parser gives 835 run, 291 passes, 0 expected failures, 493 failures, 51 errors, 0 unexpected passes and 835 run, 288 passes, 0 expected failures, 493 failures, 54 errors, 0 unexpected passes respectively. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes
We have a few simple enhancements for ChangeList/ChangeRecord that identifies class defs, method removals etc. That way one can remove doits while keeping class definitions etc. I can post a changeset if anyone is interested. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes I imagine that you can also recoever from another image. At least in VW we could do that. Nathan the first thing to do is to copy your image/changes because each time to receover you add new info to you changes. So if you screw it up now. Go back to before the first time you crashed because all your changes are still there. This is juts a matter of identifying them. Pay attention that we do not have classDefinition as in Cuis and VW so doit for class definition should be replayed too. finally did you save your code with monticello? Because this is the best way, publish often. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs You then have created a changeset file, which can be easily loaded with a drag and drop from your OS desktop to the Pharo image. Alternatively, you can use the file loader. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 03:13, Nathan Tuttle wrote: One thing. It looks like there is a changes file that has more up to date information. How do I pull this in? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: I also had the very same feeling the first times I used the recover lost changes option. Now that I gained experience, I live comfortably with it. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Nathan Tuttle wrote: actually, to tell the truth I figured out how to get most of my methods back. But not the right versions. I wonder if I can back out the changes and try to select the ones that I do need, but there are soo many. It does throw an error when I select multiple changesets. When I use the remove do it that helps the most. its just such a mess right now On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: Hi Nathan, Is there any way to do a recovery besides the Recover Lost Changes option that doesn't seem to work? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? I have always been happy with it. Does it raise an error? It seems the change log that was left behind has some promising things in it. You can directly inspect the .changes file next to your image. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
Michael sent me the files yesterday. I will see how to include them in the XML-Testing package. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 08:34, George Herolyants wrote: 2010/2/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Can you give the names of the files because I should have them on my disc :) Of course: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip . Actually this is mentioned in the class comment of the XMLParserTests from the XML-Testing package. There are also instructions on how to configure your environment to use these files. Here's a part of it: XMLParserTests uses XML tests by James Clark, Sun, and OASIS. These tests are distributed as test suite by OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip This link can be found on the page: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/testsuite.htm. To run the test suite you must: Install the OASIS test suite on your hard drive Edit the class method baseTestDirectory to include the full path of the directory containing the OASIS test suite. install Sunit. Run the tests the standard way: TestRunner open Actually the page mentioned doesn't exist anymore AFAICS, because they have the Second Edition of this test suite now: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/xml-test-suite.shtml and the test suite itself: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/suite-v1se/xmlconf-20010315.tar.gz ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes
yes please! Cuis has class definition change reification, and i found it very useful to be able to do remove DoIts , when programming in CUIS. On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: We have a few simple enhancements for ChangeList/ChangeRecord that identifies class defs, method removals etc. That way one can remove doits while keeping class definitions etc. I can post a changeset if anyone is interested. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes I imagine that you can also recoever from another image. At least in VW we could do that. Nathan the first thing to do is to copy your image/changes because each time to receover you add new info to you changes. So if you screw it up now. Go back to before the first time you crashed because all your changes are still there. This is juts a matter of identifying them. Pay attention that we do not have classDefinition as in Cuis and VW so doit for class definition should be replayed too. finally did you save your code with monticello? Because this is the best way, publish often. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs You then have created a changeset file, which can be easily loaded with a drag and drop from your OS desktop to the Pharo image. Alternatively, you can use the file loader. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 03:13, Nathan Tuttle wrote: One thing. It looks like there is a changes file that has more up to date information. How do I pull this in? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: I also had the very same feeling the first times I used the recover lost changes option. Now that I gained experience, I live comfortably with it. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Nathan Tuttle wrote: actually, to tell the truth I figured out how to get most of my methods back. But not the right versions. I wonder if I can back out the changes and try to select the ones that I do need, but there are soo many. It does throw an error when I select multiple changesets. When I use the remove do it that helps the most. its just such a mess right now On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: Hi Nathan, Is there any way to do a recovery besides the Recover Lost Changes option that doesn't seem to work? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? I have always been happy with it. Does it raise an error? It seems the change log that was left behind has some promising things in it. You can directly inspect the .changes file next to your image. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___
Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10511
On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: just a question. I remember that we discussed sort: / sorted (check 25 december 2009 thread) - sort: should be understood by SortedCollection and all the others more or less for inplace change and what is missing is sorted returning a new version So marcus is sort: (in place that you add?) yes We should create an issue for sorted the sorting protocol needs some cleanup, yes. -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Window resize
Begin forwarded message: From: pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: February 18, 2010 1:33:02 PM GMT+01:00 To: stephane.duca...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr. From: stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@gmail.com Date: February 18, 2010 1:32:56 PM GMT+01:00 To: Pharo-project Development pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize I thought that events has been added in 1.1. Which version of pharo are you referring to. Alex I thought that we merged your changes Issue 1785: Window event notification but I cannot find them Probably not integrated. I checked and the code is still in PharoTaskForces. Alex can you have a look because your package contains reference to PackageNode... Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Is there an event when the Squeak window is resized, so one can react and resize morphs accordingly? Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfXMLSupport...
cool!!! This is why I got them on my disc :) Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Michael sent me the files yesterday. I will see how to include them in the XML-Testing package. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 08:34, George Herolyants wrote: 2010/2/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Can you give the names of the files because I should have them on my disc :) Of course: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip . Actually this is mentioned in the class comment of the XMLParserTests from the XML-Testing package. There are also instructions on how to configure your environment to use these files. Here's a part of it: XMLParserTests uses XML tests by James Clark, Sun, and OASIS. These tests are distributed as test suite by OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/xmlconf-19990712.zip This link can be found on the page: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xmltest/testsuite.htm. To run the test suite you must: Install the OASIS test suite on your hard drive Edit the class method baseTestDirectory to include the full path of the directory containing the OASIS test suite. install Sunit. Run the tests the standard way: TestRunner open Actually the page mentioned doesn't exist anymore AFAICS, because they have the Second Edition of this test suite now: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/xml-test-suite.shtml and the test suite itself: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xml-conformance/suite-v1se/xmlconf-20010315.tar.gz ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes
Please do Ideally I would like to have the classdefinition kind of idea similar to CUIS and VW. But it requires some coding so that we can do it well. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: We have a few simple enhancements for ChangeList/ChangeRecord that identifies class defs, method removals etc. That way one can remove doits while keeping class definitions etc. I can post a changeset if anyone is interested. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes I imagine that you can also recoever from another image. At least in VW we could do that. Nathan the first thing to do is to copy your image/changes because each time to receover you add new info to you changes. So if you screw it up now. Go back to before the first time you crashed because all your changes are still there. This is juts a matter of identifying them. Pay attention that we do not have classDefinition as in Cuis and VW so doit for class definition should be replayed too. finally did you save your code with monticello? Because this is the best way, publish often. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs You then have created a changeset file, which can be easily loaded with a drag and drop from your OS desktop to the Pharo image. Alternatively, you can use the file loader. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 03:13, Nathan Tuttle wrote: One thing. It looks like there is a changes file that has more up to date information. How do I pull this in? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: I also had the very same feeling the first times I used the recover lost changes option. Now that I gained experience, I live comfortably with it. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Nathan Tuttle wrote: actually, to tell the truth I figured out how to get most of my methods back. But not the right versions. I wonder if I can back out the changes and try to select the ones that I do need, but there are soo many. It does throw an error when I select multiple changesets. When I use the remove do it that helps the most. its just such a mess right now On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: Hi Nathan, Is there any way to do a recovery besides the Recover Lost Changes option that doesn't seem to work? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? I have always been happy with it. Does it raise an error? It seems the change log that was left behind has some promising things in it. You can directly inspect the .changes file next to your image. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] cull: protocol
Refactoring the AXAnnouncements abit so there's no separate classes for 0-, 1-, and 2-arg blocks, and really missing these methods from VisualWorks... cull: is equivalent to value: protocol except they accept block with N or less blockArgs Yes, I know valueWithEnoughArguments:/valueWithPossibleArgs: provide the same functionality, but the code looks much less nice using them, you end up constructing arrays needlessly etc. Look at the senders of valueWithPossibleArgs: for examples, very few of those actually need the ability to accept blocks with more arguments than they provide, and would also look nicer with cull:. Would anyone object strongly to adding the cull:, cull:cull: methods in core instead of putting them as extension methods? Cheers, Henry ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Window resize
I think Torsten meant the main Pharo host window... Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Pharo-project Development Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:36 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Window resize Begin forwarded message: From: pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: February 18, 2010 1:33:02 PM GMT+01:00 To: stephane.duca...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr. From: stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@gmail.com Date: February 18, 2010 1:32:56 PM GMT+01:00 To: Pharo-project Development pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize I thought that events has been added in 1.1. Which version of pharo are you referring to. Alex I thought that we merged your changes Issue 1785: Window event notification but I cannot find them Probably not integrated. I checked and the code is still in PharoTaskForces. Alex can you have a look because your package contains reference to PackageNode... Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Is there an event when the Squeak window is resized, so one can react and resize morphs accordingly? Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 -- ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project andPharocrashes
Attached (after Pharofication (was for Squeak 3.9))... Also has an menu option to remove items not matching an author, not sure how useful that is in pratice. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Fernando olivero olive...@lu.unisi.ch To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project andPharocrashes yes please! Cuis has class definition change reification, and i found it very useful to be able to do remove DoIts , when programming in CUIS. On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: We have a few simple enhancements for ChangeList/ChangeRecord that identifies class defs, method removals etc. That way one can remove doits while keeping class definitions etc. I can post a changeset if anyone is interested. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharocrashes I imagine that you can also recoever from another image. At least in VW we could do that. Nathan the first thing to do is to copy your image/changes because each time to receover you add new info to you changes. So if you screw it up now. Go back to before the first time you crashed because all your changes are still there. This is juts a matter of identifying them. Pay attention that we do not have classDefinition as in Cuis and VW so doit for class definition should be replayed too. finally did you save your code with monticello? Because this is the best way, publish often. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs You then have created a changeset file, which can be easily loaded with a drag and drop from your OS desktop to the Pharo image. Alternatively, you can use the file loader. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 03:13, Nathan Tuttle wrote: One thing. It looks like there is a changes file that has more up to date information. How do I pull this in? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: I also had the very same feeling the first times I used the recover lost changes option. Now that I gained experience, I live comfortably with it. Cheers, Alexandre On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Nathan Tuttle wrote: actually, to tell the truth I figured out how to get most of my methods back. But not the right versions. I wonder if I can back out the changes and try to select the ones that I do need, but there are soo many. It does throw an error when I select multiple changesets. When I use the remove do it that helps the most. its just such a mess right now On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: Hi Nathan, Is there any way to do a recovery besides the Recover Lost Changes option that doesn't seem to work? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? I have always been happy with it. Does it raise an error? It seems the change log that was left behind has some promising things in it. You can directly inspect the .changes file next to your image. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Window resize
ok :) Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: I think Torsten meant the main Pharo host window... Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Pharo-project Development Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:36 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Window resize Begin forwarded message: From: pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: February 18, 2010 1:33:02 PM GMT+01:00 To: stephane.duca...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at pharo-project-ow...@lists.gforge.inria.fr. From: stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@gmail.com Date: February 18, 2010 1:32:56 PM GMT+01:00 To: Pharo-project Development pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Window resize I thought that events has been added in 1.1. Which version of pharo are you referring to. Alex I thought that we merged your changes Issue 1785: Window event notification but I cannot find them Probably not integrated. I checked and the code is still in PharoTaskForces. Alex can you have a look because your package contains reference to PackageNode... Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Is there an event when the Squeak window is resized, so one can react and resize morphs accordingly? Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11215
11215 - Issue 1945: registration mechanism for the menu (2nd try) Issue 1989: fix #labelled: Issue 1974: remove #disableSubmorphFocusForHand: (part 2) -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
we are working on setting up a pier book so that you guys can structure this information in a nice way. On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:43 AM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote: All those interesting pieces of information about what works and what does not is very valuable. Is there a means of having a place in Pharo Wiki where we could publish and update this? -- Cesar Rabak Em 17/02/2010 13:05, Germán Arduino gardu...@gmail.com escreveu: 2010/2/17 Dave Woodward davewoodw...@promedmedical.net On 2/17/10 6:46 AM, Germán Arduino wrote: 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? Magma is the option I select, but not tried yet on Pharo. Magma 1.0v43 works on Pharo, Good to know. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, laurent laffont wrote: Really great informations : Scenario˙˙s In different situations, there are different storage needs 1. You are writing a small demonstration program to show your customers, and want to populate the system with some representative data. Add a class instance variable to store the instances, and simply save the image. 2. You have a small system with a few hundred/thousand objects, and are not dependent on external systems. A prevayler-like system like SandstoneDB might be a perfect fit. Each object save means a disk access, so scaling ends with disk speed. A few old versions of the data are kept around, so backing up or reverting is easy. If you want a readable representation, SIXX might help. 3. You have a legacy (relational) database, with extensive reporting written for it. Use an ORM. Relational databases are not legacy, they have features which modern key-value stores don't (and won't). ORMs may ease the programmer's work, but they tend to have bad runtime performance and can't use (all) the features of todays RDBMSs. Levente 4. You have a complex and large object model that has to support changing the object model while developing. The solution is an OODB. Gemstone is the large and proven commercial offering. It has a free version for smaller databases (4GB data, 1 core, 1G ram), and has proven scalability to 500 machines. Magma is an open source OODB, seeing active development and growing more and more advanced functionality. Laurent Laffont On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:07 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.comwrote: No :) Thanks for the link ! Laurent Laffont On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nlwrote: Hello Laurent, I assume you are aware of: http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence Stephan ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Pharo User Group?
Stef, Few weeks ago you said you will meet some layers at inria to know whether something like ESUG may be set for Pharo. Do you have any news? I am just curious. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
El jue, 18-02-2010 a las 16:51 +0100, Levente Uzonyi escribió: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, laurent laffont wrote: Really great informations : Scenario˙˙s In different situations, there are different storage needs 1. You are writing a small demonstration program to show your customers, and want to populate the system with some representative data. Add a class instance variable to store the instances, and simply save the image. 2. You have a small system with a few hundred/thousand objects, and are not dependent on external systems. A prevayler-like system like SandstoneDB might be a perfect fit. Each object save means a disk access, so scaling ends with disk speed. A few old versions of the data are kept around, so backing up or reverting is easy. If you want a readable representation, SIXX might help. 3. You have a legacy (relational) database, with extensive reporting written for it. Use an ORM. Relational databases are not legacy, they have features which modern key-value stores don't (and won't). I don't think he is refering to RDBMS as legacy, as we know that they aren't. I think that he meant that when you have a fully populated database (legacy) and you are building a new seaside/pharo application to exploit that data, the best is to use an ORM for simple querys and direct querys for complex ones. ORMs may ease the programmer's work, but they tend to have bad runtime performance and can't use (all) the features of todays RDBMSs. That is true but also the right thing, it isn't expected that an ORM standardize a way to backup a database, partition a table, replication, node management, user sessions and transaction monitoring, change index types and in general everything that is considered metadata or simply database administration. An ORM is for user stuff querys, insertions, deletion, etc. Cheers Levente 4. You have a complex and large object model that has to support changing the object model while developing. The solution is an OODB. Gemstone is the large and proven commercial offering. It has a free version for smaller databases (4GB data, 1 core, 1G ram), and has proven scalability to 500 machines. Magma is an open source OODB, seeing active development and growing more and more advanced functionality. Laurent Laffont On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:07 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.comwrote: No :) Thanks for the link ! Laurent Laffont On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nlwrote: Hello Laurent, I assume you are aware of: http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence Stephan ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Portugese translation :)
Hi guys A portuguese speaking person (Christian Guimarães) asks if it was possible to translated pharo by example. We will host the translations (as we are doing for the french, spanish ones) and give access to bern infrastructure. Now may be some other people want to join in this effort. Stef Hi Dr. Andrew First of all, congratulation for the excelent work with Pharo and the book Pharo By Example. My name is Christian Guimaraes, I'm an electrical engineer with strong background in software development. Nowadays I work as consultant for Fujitsu (in Europe) and in many other projects. I've started my studies in Smalltalk, for my pleasure and I've interested in translate the book Pharo By Example to the portuguese (I'm brazilian). I saw that already have some thing in this sense. Who is the responsible? Maybe I could help him. Thanks. - Christian ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo User Group?
On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Stef, Few weeks ago you said you will meet some layers at inria to know whether something like ESUG may be set for Pharo. Do you have any news? Yes we discussed. I'm sure that they understood what we would like to build and they sent us a report and we should read it :) They suggested for example to be hosted by the OW2 consortium but I did not have the time to look at that. Else what we may end up doing is to create a french loi association (which is understood in Europe) to manage it. Stef I am just curious. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Polymorph: Window with title
Gary wrote: I suggest rewriting #labelled: OK, I've created an issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1994 Thx T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph: Window with title
On Feb 18, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Gary wrote: I suggest rewriting #labelled: OK, I've created an issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1994 bah, *far* to slow ;-) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1989 -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Cross post: Squeak Oversight Board Election 2010 started!
Hi Smalltalking friends! I just wanted to alert some Smalltalk communities about the yearly Election in the Squeak community that was just kickstarted: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-February/144641.html ...and as that post said, all current info here: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6150 regards, Göran Krampe (Election leader) ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: ScriptLoader loadFFI doesn't work anymore
- Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: | Dale Henrichs wrote: | - Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: | | | BTW, since all FFI-Examples packages were removed from the FFI | | repository, even Metacello versions would fail because the | package | | is | | no longer there. | | This underscores Lukas' argument that you need to create your own | repository of packages that you use. | | I don't understand how this jives with Metacello. If I depend on a | Metacello configuration then I inherit the repository dependencies of | | that configuration -- unless I maintain my own copy of the | configuration | and the packages it references. This was a comment about keeping Pharo-level repositories, rather than individual repositories. In theory the Metacello configuration is created by the maintainers of the project, so in theory the maintainers won't remove packages that are needed for development and won't remove packages for which they've published a version. In practice, the FFI configuration is maintained by Pharo and the code in question is being managed by Squeak (and the Squeak folks aren't using Metacello). If Pharo has it's own repository for things like FFI, etc. then the problem of disappearing packages shouldn't happen. | | As far as I am concerned, it is a cardinal sin to remove packages | from a public repository ... | | I agree. I assume the reason for removing the package was to eliminate | confusion caused when the latest version of the package is loaded, but | doesn't work, because none of the code should be there. Another | approach might have been to delete all the classes/methods from the package,and | submit it as the latest version. Though I'm not sure Monticello would | accept an empty package. There's no question that the folks managing that repository had a good reason for doing what they did, but if a developer happened to have branched FFI-Examples, she'd be SOL, unless she copied the packages in self defense...which is Lukas' point. If you are going to depend upon a set of packages in a repository, then you are at the mercy of the maintainers of the repository as far as uptime as well as contents. | | We'll have to mark the earlier versions of FFI as broken in the | Metacello config unless we can recover the older files... | | I probably can find an old version in a package-cache, but the | repository for FFI is on http://source.squeakfoundation.org, which | seems | to be the active code base for Squeak (correct me if I'm wrong). I assume that FFI is actually being maintained in separate (private) repository and the public repository (where we've been grabbing FFI) is simply a staging area for publishing the latest version of the code... Dale ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: Real packages.
Gemstone uses an order list of dictionaries for global lookup. Each user can
change the order of the list or insert their own dictionaries into the list ...
makes for quite a bit of flexibility you can load code into a particular
dictionary...and the global resolution is at compile time (you can do lookup at
runtime if you wish).
The advantage is that the code itself has no namespace artifacts at all.
I'm mentioning this as a point of information more than a serious suggestion
that Pharo adopt such an approach, though:)
Dale
- Wilhelm K Schwab bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote:
| Sorry, I can't resist exploiting the typo: the would be grate (vs.
| great) for me too. I also suspect that name spaces would turn into a
| horrible mess in short order.
|
| I could learn to live with messages as class names, something like
|
| Smalltalk goGators Dictionary etc.
|
| so that the name space is really an object accessed by a selector
| (#goGators above) and Dictionary then is a message to same. I got the
| idea from Dolphin. AFAIK, it has not gone terribly far, but my sense
| is that it does what one really needs from name spaces without
| inviting the slippery slope into Java packages.
|
| Bill
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of
| Esteban Lorenzano
| Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:40 PM
| To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: Real packages.
|
| Well... I disagree with you, Mariano. If you allow packages, suddenly
| you will have things like:
|
| com.pirulo.Date,
| ar.com.pirulin.Date
|
| and a lot of classes who, in fact, should be just Date
|
| (and that's just an example)
|
| Cheers,
| Esteban
|
| On 2009-02-11 12:13:07 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck
| marianop...@gmail.com said:
|
|
|
| I hate not having a real namespace. I hate to call my class
| DBXConnection instead of Connection. I think namespaces are very
| useful. Something like Java packages or similar would be grate for
| me.
|
| Cheers,
|
| Mariano
|
| On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Travis Kay t...@nb.sympatico.ca
| wrote:
|
| Bill Schwab wrote:
| Stef,
|
| Re Dolphin, class categories have long been of marginal use; I'll
|
| speak
| for myself on that but suspect others would agree.
| I am a Dolphin Pro, Squeak and Pharo users, I agree.
|
| Travis
|
| Packages are of course extremely useful. Method categories are
| also
| quite useful, and Dolphin allows multiple categories to be assigned
|
| to a given method. Dolphin mixes virtual categories (computed by
| rules) with static ones maintained by the user (and serialized as
| part of packages).
|
| I can easily see where OB would get quite a speed boost out of
| it.
|
| Bill
|
|
|
|
|
| Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
| University of Florida
| Department of Anesthesiology
| PO Box 100254
| Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
|
| Email: bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
| Tel: (352) 273-6785
| FAX: (352) 392-7029
|
|
|
| stephane.duca...@inria.fr 2/10/2009 4:41:10 PM
|
| Alexandre implemented long time ago an hybrid model where both
| kind
| of packages could coexist and we should probably revive it for
| 1.1
|
| Stef
| On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Michael van der Gulik wrote:
|
|
| On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, David R=F6thlisberger
| squ...@webcita=
| s.ch
|
| wrote:
|
| So if we had real packages in Pharo as first class entities, OB
| would be much faster and simpler to maintain. Right now, OB
| models
| packages and class cats itself, has to take the information from
|
| both the Monticello's working copy managers and the
| SystemOrganizer. This is a mess and a huge pain, but what can we
| do.
| We should really invest in bringing real packages to Pharo.
|
|
| If you want real packages, I've implemented them in Squeak:
|
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/Namespaces
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/Packages
|
| The places the code is held, including a video and a Squeak image
| is
| linked from here:
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/SecureSqueak
|
| I'm not interested in Pharo, but the code is there and is
| released
| under the MIT license if anybody else wants it.
|
| Gulik.
|
| --
| http://people.squeakfoundation.org/person/mikevdg
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[Pharo-project] Polymorph: Window with title
bah, *far* to slow ;-) I'm getting old! 8) Bye T. -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: ScriptLoader loadFFI doesn't work anymore
Dale wrote: In theory the Metacello configuration is created by the maintainers of the project Yes - in theory ;) There's no question that the folks managing that repository had a good reason for doing what they did, See http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-February/144628.html If Pharo has it's own repository for things like FFI, etc. then the problem of disappearing packages shouldn't happen. Maybe by having an own SqS server (for Pharo only) with packages known to work (together with configurations). BTW: Linus on Git: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8, interesting. Bye T. -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] self halt :)
Hi guys I do not know anything about BalloonBezierSimulation but it contains too many self halt. Do you have an idea if this is something that can be fixed? Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Keyboard events issue on Mac VM
You are mistaken in your interpretation of the event codes. please read http://isqueak.org/ioGetNextEvent You will find the windows VM will return Windows meta key codes which won't match the values for keyStroke Tweak in Croquet Sophie uses KeyDown/keyUp for Tweak event handling and ignores keyStroke: On 2010-02-18, at 12:32 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, The Mac OS virtual machine has wrong processing of keyUp and keyDown events. It discards event character value. This events are very rarely used (keyStroke is preferred) so there`s no surprise that it was not reported before. See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1995 Cheers, -- Pavel ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] cull: protocol
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1991
Purpose of code changes on this branch:
Provide a cull: protocol on BlockClosure, equivalent to value: protocol,
but taking N or more args, where N is numArgs.
This is already provided by valueWithPossibleArgs:, but this only takes an
array, and fills out missing arguments if block numArgs is higher than
array size, as well as leading to extra syntax when your number of
variable args is low and constant compared to cull:
f.ex.
ifNotNil: ifNotNilBlock
^ifNotNilBlock valueWithPossibleArgs: {self}
turns into:
ifNotNil: ifNotNilBlock
^ifNotNilBlock cull: self
and:
ifError: errorHandlerBlock
^ self on: Error do: [:ex |
errorHandlerBlock valueWithPossibleArgs: {ex description.
ex receiver}]
turns into:
ifError: errorHandlerBlock
^ self on: Error do: [:ex |
errorHandlerBlock cull: ex description cull: ex receiver]
When reviewing my code changes, please focus on:
- Code clarity (there are speedier but uglier implementations)
- Unnecessary array creation
- Usefulness
On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote:
Refactoring the AXAnnouncements abit so there's no separate classes for
0-, 1-, and 2-arg blocks, and really missing these methods from
VisualWorks...
cull: is equivalent to value: protocol except they accept block with N
or less blockArgs
Yes, I know valueWithEnoughArguments:/valueWithPossibleArgs: provide the
same functionality, but the code looks much less nice using them, you
end up constructing arrays needlessly etc.
Look at the senders of valueWithPossibleArgs: for examples, very few of
those actually need the ability to accept blocks with more arguments
than they provide, and would also look nicer with cull:.
Would anyone object strongly to adding the cull:, cull:cull: methods in
core instead of putting them as extension methods?
Cheers,
Henry
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Re: [Pharo-project] cull: protocol
henrik I'm trying to get the pros and cons of cull: So am'I correct that this is useful only for situation where we have a block and we do not know upfront its number of argument: = places where valueWithPossibleArgs: Now what cull: offers is that the client does not have to create the array. I did not check your implementation. Stef On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote: Refactoring the AXAnnouncements abit so there's no separate classes for 0-, 1-, and 2-arg blocks, and really missing these methods from VisualWorks... cull: is equivalent to value: protocol except they accept block with N or less blockArgs Yes, I know valueWithEnoughArguments:/valueWithPossibleArgs: provide the same functionality, but the code looks much less nice using them, you end up constructing arrays needlessly etc. Look at the senders of valueWithPossibleArgs: for examples, very few of those actually need the ability to accept blocks with more arguments than they provide, and would also look nicer with cull:. Would anyone object strongly to adding the cull:, cull:cull: methods in core instead of putting them as extension methods? Cheers, Henry ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: Real packages.
El jue, 18-02-2010 a las 12:18 -0800, Dale Henrichs escribió:
Gemstone uses an order list of dictionaries for global lookup. Each user can
change the order of the list or insert their own dictionaries into the list
... makes for quite a bit of flexibility you can load code into a
particular dictionary...and the global resolution is at compile time (you can
do lookup at runtime if you wish).
The advantage is that the code itself has no namespace artifacts at all.
I'm mentioning this as a point of information more than a serious suggestion
that Pharo adopt such an approach, though:)
Why not, if it has been proved for a long time in Gemstone, shouldn't be
sensible to create something similar for Pharo? Or it uses some kind of
proprietary technology from Gemstone?
Well just asking.
Thanks
Dale
- Wilhelm K Schwab bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote:
| Sorry, I can't resist exploiting the typo: the would be grate (vs.
| great) for me too. I also suspect that name spaces would turn into a
| horrible mess in short order.
|
| I could learn to live with messages as class names, something like
|
| Smalltalk goGators Dictionary etc.
|
| so that the name space is really an object accessed by a selector
| (#goGators above) and Dictionary then is a message to same. I got the
| idea from Dolphin. AFAIK, it has not gone terribly far, but my sense
| is that it does what one really needs from name spaces without
| inviting the slippery slope into Java packages.
|
| Bill
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of
| Esteban Lorenzano
| Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:40 PM
| To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: Real packages.
|
| Well... I disagree with you, Mariano. If you allow packages, suddenly
| you will have things like:
|
| com.pirulo.Date,
| ar.com.pirulin.Date
|
| and a lot of classes who, in fact, should be just Date
|
| (and that's just an example)
|
| Cheers,
| Esteban
|
| On 2009-02-11 12:13:07 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck
| marianop...@gmail.com said:
|
|
|
| I hate not having a real namespace. I hate to call my class
| DBXConnection instead of Connection. I think namespaces are very
| useful. Something like Java packages or similar would be grate for
| me.
|
| Cheers,
|
| Mariano
|
| On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Travis Kay t...@nb.sympatico.ca
| wrote:
|
| Bill Schwab wrote:
| Stef,
|
| Re Dolphin, class categories have long been of marginal use; I'll
|
| speak
| for myself on that but suspect others would agree.
| I am a Dolphin Pro, Squeak and Pharo users, I agree.
|
| Travis
|
| Packages are of course extremely useful. Method categories are
| also
| quite useful, and Dolphin allows multiple categories to be assigned
|
| to a given method. Dolphin mixes virtual categories (computed by
| rules) with static ones maintained by the user (and serialized as
| part of packages).
|
| I can easily see where OB would get quite a speed boost out of
| it.
|
| Bill
|
|
|
|
|
| Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
| University of Florida
| Department of Anesthesiology
| PO Box 100254
| Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
|
| Email: bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
| Tel: (352) 273-6785
| FAX: (352) 392-7029
|
|
|
| stephane.duca...@inria.fr 2/10/2009 4:41:10 PM
|
| Alexandre implemented long time ago an hybrid model where both
| kind
| of packages could coexist and we should probably revive it for
| 1.1
|
| Stef
| On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Michael van der Gulik wrote:
|
|
| On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, David R=F6thlisberger
| squ...@webcita=
| s.ch
|
| wrote:
|
| So if we had real packages in Pharo as first class entities, OB
| would be much faster and simpler to maintain. Right now, OB
| models
| packages and class cats itself, has to take the information from
|
| both the Monticello's working copy managers and the
| SystemOrganizer. This is a mess and a huge pain, but what can we
| do.
| We should really invest in bringing real packages to Pharo.
|
|
| If you want real packages, I've implemented them in Squeak:
|
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/Namespaces
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/Packages
|
| The places the code is held, including a video and a Squeak image
| is
| linked from here:
| http://gulik.pbwiki.com/SecureSqueak
|
| I'm not interested in Pharo, but the code is there and is
| released
| under the MIT license if anybody else wants it.
|
| Gulik.
|
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Re: [Pharo-project] databases
2010/2/18 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Laurent, I think this topic or persistence in general would require more than one screencast to show people several options It's true ... but we need a first one on an option, then a second one on another option . I'm totally newbie on object databases, I want to learn, recording a screencast is a way to learn. If someone wants to help :) http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-i-record-screencasts-for-pharocasts.html (like using the native drivers/database) up to higher level stuff mit OR mapping (Glorp) or Gemstone. Also well known (Oracle, MySQL, ...) vs. alternative databases (Magma, CouchDB, ...) or persistence in XML, ReferenceStreams, ... CouchDB looks good, it's on my to-look-at list... Yeah, there are two Couchy interfaces for squeak on SqS. One is mine, which i started recently. Please try it out :) Any feedback is appreciated. Maybe SQLite could be used for a simple database example using Pharo and SQL. There is a metacello config for it: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-SQLite3-wrapper-updated-with-tests-td1294969.html Have a look at the test cases to see some code. I will ! Thanks Laurent Laffont ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
Hi Laurent. I agree with you. From my point of view, there are a lot of persistence strategies and possibilities. But the problem I faced most of the time is that you are not able to choose. It is not common you can choose the database and even more the database. At least in real business or company applications. Thee are a LOT of reason, logical and not logical. If you want I can share with you the reasons I found so far. If you can choose, I would probably use a OO database. Magma or GLASS are the better solutions for me. There is also GOODS but I heard bad comments from a friends that are using it at their work. Then you have all those non traditional databases like Toyko, CouchDB, MongoDB, etc. You can give them a try. You have also serializers like SIXX, ImageSegments, SmartRefStream, save in the image, etc. This can be a solution for very limited for my opinion (small apps). However, they are very useful when starting a project or even for prototyping. Finally, you may HAVE or you want to use relational database. First, which database? most of the time, you cannot choose. For Pharo, there seems to be native drivers for PostgreSQL and MySQL. The first one is working on Pharo. The second one I don't know. SQLite driver I think it is not native (maybe I am wrong...). We did SqueakDBX where you can talk with Oracle, MSSQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Sqlite3, Firebird (only windows) and ODBC in all OS (Linux, Mac Os and Windows). After the driver layer then you have Glorp and SqueakSave mostly. Glorp is much powerful and complete. But, the Pharo/Squeak version is quite old as Glorp is developed in VW. The problem with Glorp is that you have to write all the queries by hand. If you want to use other that PostgreSQL with Glorp in Pharo then you need to install GlorpDBX. You can SandstoneDB if you want and then you also have Glorp-ActiveRecord, but only VW (as it is new, it is not ported to squeak or pharo). In those approaches, the time of developing is less as you don't have to write all the mappings. Finally, with SqueakSave you can automatically persist. It takes care of writing everything. You don't need to write the mappings. Of course, you need to follow certain conventions in the names. SqueakSave supports MySQL and PostgreSQL only althought they wanted to interface with SqueakDBX to support all databases. I don't know neither if it works on Pharo. Of course, it seems to be a less slower than Glorp as the queries are not the faster. If I were you, for the screencast, I would really like to see the following scenario: you have a domain model and then you persists: 1) Image based / serializers (sixx, ImageSegments, SmartRefStream, etc) 2) OO database - magma or GLASS 3) Relational database - Glorp, SqueakSave, etc Each item can be a different post and for each item you show the advantages or disadvantages and of course, in each item, the domain model is the same. Of course this may require a lot of time and effort :) U now I realized this is almost the same Torsted said. Sorry. Cheers Mariano 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? - Which object database can be accessed from Smalltalk AND Ruby or Python ? How ? - I want to try MySQL too. Is there up to date small applications on squeaksource which show this stuff quite well ? Thanks for help ! Laurent Laffont ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Keyboard events issue on Mac VM
If you press the key a, you`ll get #(2 2534082 0 1 0 0 0 1) #(2 2534082 97 0 0 97 0 1) #(2 2534157 0 2 0 0 0 1) from the virtual machine. For A: #(2 2536225 0 1 1 0 0 1) #(2 2536225 65 0 1 65 0 1) #(2 2536413 0 2 8 0 0 1) The only event with the information about pressed character is keyStroke (the fourth value is 0) so you will not know the resultant character because MacRoman charCode and/or utf32Code is missing (they are present on Linux). It is printed from InputEventFetchersignalEvent:. Am I missing something? -- Pavel On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, John M McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com wrote: You are mistaken in your interpretation of the event codes. please read http://isqueak.org/ioGetNextEvent You will find the windows VM will return Windows meta key codes which won't match the values for keyStroke Tweak in Croquet Sophie uses KeyDown/keyUp for Tweak event handling and ignores keyStroke: On 2010-02-18, at 12:32 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, The Mac OS virtual machine has wrong processing of keyUp and keyDown events. It discards event character value. This events are very rarely used (keyStroke is preferred) so there`s no surprise that it was not reported before. See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1995 Cheers, -- Pavel ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
Thank you very much Mariano. Now I can choose because Pharo is still a hobby for me ;) I've started learning Magma, it's fun, so easy Laurent Laffont 2010/2/18 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com Hi Laurent. I agree with you. From my point of view, there are a lot of persistence strategies and possibilities. But the problem I faced most of the time is that you are not able to choose. It is not common you can choose the database and even more the database. At least in real business or company applications. Thee are a LOT of reason, logical and not logical. If you want I can share with you the reasons I found so far. If you can choose, I would probably use a OO database. Magma or GLASS are the better solutions for me. There is also GOODS but I heard bad comments from a friends that are using it at their work. Then you have all those non traditional databases like Toyko, CouchDB, MongoDB, etc. You can give them a try. You have also serializers like SIXX, ImageSegments, SmartRefStream, save in the image, etc. This can be a solution for very limited for my opinion (small apps). However, they are very useful when starting a project or even for prototyping. Finally, you may HAVE or you want to use relational database. First, which database? most of the time, you cannot choose. For Pharo, there seems to be native drivers for PostgreSQL and MySQL. The first one is working on Pharo. The second one I don't know. SQLite driver I think it is not native (maybe I am wrong...). We did SqueakDBX where you can talk with Oracle, MSSQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Sqlite3, Firebird (only windows) and ODBC in all OS (Linux, Mac Os and Windows). After the driver layer then you have Glorp and SqueakSave mostly. Glorp is much powerful and complete. But, the Pharo/Squeak version is quite old as Glorp is developed in VW. The problem with Glorp is that you have to write all the queries by hand. If you want to use other that PostgreSQL with Glorp in Pharo then you need to install GlorpDBX. You can SandstoneDB if you want and then you also have Glorp-ActiveRecord, but only VW (as it is new, it is not ported to squeak or pharo). In those approaches, the time of developing is less as you don't have to write all the mappings. Finally, with SqueakSave you can automatically persist. It takes care of writing everything. You don't need to write the mappings. Of course, you need to follow certain conventions in the names. SqueakSave supports MySQL and PostgreSQL only althought they wanted to interface with SqueakDBX to support all databases. I don't know neither if it works on Pharo. Of course, it seems to be a less slower than Glorp as the queries are not the faster. If I were you, for the screencast, I would really like to see the following scenario: you have a domain model and then you persists: 1) Image based / serializers (sixx, ImageSegments, SmartRefStream, etc) 2) OO database - magma or GLASS 3) Relational database - Glorp, SqueakSave, etc Each item can be a different post and for each item you show the advantages or disadvantages and of course, in each item, the domain model is the same. Of course this may require a lot of time and effort :) U now I realized this is almost the same Torsted said. Sorry. Cheers Mariano 2010/2/17 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Hi, I would like to learn on Pharo + databases. I've seen there's several solutions in both object and relational databases. - Which (open source) object database should I start with (most used) ? - Which object database can be accessed from Smalltalk AND Ruby or Python ? How ? - I want to try MySQL too. Is there up to date small applications on squeaksource which show this stuff quite well ? Thanks for help ! Laurent Laffont ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Namespaces
On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El jue, 18-02-2010 a las 12:18 -0800, Dale Henrichs escribió: Gemstone uses an order list of dictionaries for global lookup. Each user can change the order of the list or insert their own dictionaries into the list ... makes for quite a bit of flexibility you can load code into a particular dictionary...and the global resolution is at compile time (you can do lookup at runtime if you wish). The advantage is that the code itself has no namespace artifacts at all. I'm mentioning this as a point of information more than a serious suggestion that Pharo adopt such an approach, though:) Why not, if it has been proved for a long time in Gemstone, shouldn't be sensible to create something similar for Pharo? Or it uses some kind of proprietary technology from Gemstone? You've heard the phrase, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? It's true! We would be delighted to see Pharo use a similar scheme for namespaces. Not only is it is an elegant approach, but its adoption by Pharo would ease the upgrade path to GemStone should the opportunity arise. For an overview of GemStone namespaces, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84n3O8YUsI. For more information see the Chapter 3 of the Programming Guide (http://seaside.gemstone.com/docs/GS64-ProgGuide-2.2.pdf). James Foster GemStone Systems, Inc. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Keyboard events issue on Mac VM
On 2010-02-18, at 1:37 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: If you press the key a, you`ll get #(2 2534082 0 1 0 0 0 1) #(2 2534082 97 0 0 97 0 1) #(2 2534157 0 2 0 0 0 1) from the virtual machine. For A: #(2 2536225 0 1 1 0 0 1) #(2 2536225 65 0 1 65 0 1) #(2 2536413 0 2 8 0 0 1) The only event with the information about pressed character is keyStroke (the fourth value is 0) so you will not know the resultant character because MacRoman charCode and/or utf32Code is missing (they are present on Linux). It is printed from InputEventFetchersignalEvent:. Am I missing something? -- Pavel It works as designed. The only event with the information about pressed character is keyStroke (the fourth value is 0) Is zero ON PURPOSE because the windows VM is unable to supply what character or unicode is being pressed at that point in time. The keycode for the 'a' key is zero, the macroman value is 97, and the unicode value is 97. looks fine I note the bug is that the key up's modifier should be 1 versus the 8. === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Keyboard events issue on Mac VM
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:05 PM, John M McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com wrote: On 2010-02-18, at 1:37 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: If you press the key a, you`ll get #(2 2534082 0 1 0 0 0 1) #(2 2534082 97 0 0 97 0 1) #(2 2534157 0 2 0 0 0 1) from the virtual machine. For A: #(2 2536225 0 1 1 0 0 1) #(2 2536225 65 0 1 65 0 1) #(2 2536413 0 2 8 0 0 1) The only event with the information about pressed character is keyStroke (the fourth value is 0) so you will not know the resultant character because MacRoman charCode and/or utf32Code is missing (they are present on Linux). It is printed from InputEventFetchersignalEvent:. Am I missing something? -- Pavel It works as designed. The only event with the information about pressed character is keyStroke (the fourth value is 0) Is zero ON PURPOSE because the windows VM is unable to supply what character or unicode is being pressed at that point in time. The keycode for the 'a' key is zero, the macroman value is 97, and the unicode value is 97. looks fine I note the bug is that the key up's modifier should be 1 versus the 8. Ok, thank you -- Pavel ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo User Group?
On 18 févr. 10, at 19:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Stef, Few weeks ago you said you will meet some layers at inria to know whether something like ESUG may be set for Pharo. Do you have any news? Yes we discussed. I'm sure that they understood what we would like to build and they sent us a report and we should read it :) They suggested for example to be hosted by the OW2 consortium but I did not have the time to look at that. OW2 is the consortium with Fractal components and other Java software... Else what we may end up doing is to create a french loi association (which is understood in Europe) to manage it. Stef I am just curious. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Something I don't understand with ImageSegments
Hi all,
I've been catching up on ImageSegment news, and came across this old post
from January,
and got interested in discovering the mindset behind the outPointers array.
I re-ran
Mariano's original test code, with a small change: turned 'Object new' into
TestOutPointers, a new
subclass of Object, with 2 inst vars and one method. I'd be interested in
getting feedback on
whether my guesses (in quotes below) are in the ball park. The results seem
to explain why
Association is not in outPointers - what is captured there in the case of
adding a class
is a lot like what you would need for filling in a class template. If you
add an instance of a class,
you just need the name of the class.
Some comments I have gleaned from the ImageSegment class on outPointers :
This array contains:
- OOPs of all objects outside the segment that are pointed to from
inside segment.
- outPointers that are necessary to turn the bits in the file into
objects.
Here's the code:
| segment external internal root |
external := TestOutpointers.
internal := true - external.
root := false - internal.
internal := nil.
segment := ImageSegment new
copyFromRoots: (Array with: root with: external)
sizeHint: 5000
areUnique: true.
^ (segment outPointers ) - (segment arrayOfRoots )
== result =
{ false. object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
Object. superclass of TestOutpointers
a MethodDictionary(#tryList-a CompiledMethod(1725:
TestOutpointerstryList) ) MethodDictionary
#('iv1' 'iv2') inst var names
('testing' tryList) method category
nil.object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
#TestOutpointers. symbol representing name of new class
Smalltalk. environment that TestOutpointers is
assigned to
#'IST-outPointers'. category name for TestOutpointers
true. object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
Metaclass. for initializing class variables and
instance creation messages particular to a class.
Object class. class of TestOutpointers superclass
ClassOrganizer. need this in order to determine whether
TestOutpointers has been changed in the local env
#'as yet unclassified'. ??
}
-
{false-true-TestOutpointers. TestOutpointers}
Any feedback would be very welcome...
Cheers,
Sheri
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[Pharo-project] [ANN] Hobbes for Pharo
Hi, I`ve created a SqueakSource repository for the Hobbes (Highly Objectified Blue Book Equivalent Smalltalk, a virtual machine for the original Smalltalk-80 Version 2 by Xerox). Many thanks to Vassili Bykov for this great stuff and support. http://www.squeaksource.com/Hobbes.html original VisualWorks version in action: http://simberon.com/hobbes.htm Cheers, -- Pavel ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
Hi! Chris Muller wrote: Hi Göran, since this is at least the second time you've indicated having a performance issue with Magma, I'd like to reiterate my offer of assistance. Thanks. :) I know it takes time to evaluate other persistence options, so I would be surprised if you've already started off in another direction merely because you thought nothing could be done. Indeed, and you even indicated optimism that the slowness can probably be fixed. Given my limited knowledge of Gjaller, it seems to me that Magma should be a perfect fit for it, especially in terms of performance and scalability. My own curiousity is brimming, you are having a performance issue, there are many many opportunities for optimization, wouldn't you like to talk about it? Sure, my problem is that I have a general lack of time. But I intend to try to take a serious look soon. I presume that strategies in combination with running with external server might help enough. Getting a session takes time, I have written a second preallocated session queue to remove that issue, and it seems to work ok. It was a long time since I worked on this, so I don't have more details at hand right now. I need to start by rebasing on newest Magma. regards, Göran ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] databases
Em 18/02/2010 13:51, Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu escreveu: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, laurent laffont wrote: [snipped] 3. You have a legacy (relational) database, with extensive reporting written for it. Use an ORM. Relational databases are not legacy, they have features which modern key-value stores don't (and won't). ORMs may ease the programmer's work, but they tend to have bad runtime performance and can't use (all) the features of todays RDBMSs. Levente, I think the advice doesn't intend to imply that RDBMSs are legacy _technology_. What I understand from the text is understanding the existence of an application (or a lot of data) already using a RDBMS, and so it is legacy for the programmer with the task at hand. OTOH, if we take the features of the RDBMS is central to task at hand, (and not available to Pharo) or ORM makes performance unacceptable then it may end that Pharo should not contemplated to start with, so the point becomes moot. . . just my 0.01 -- Cesar Rabak ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] self halt :)
You mean other than deleting all of them? ;-) Em 18/02/2010 18:46, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr escreveu: Hi guys I do not know anything about BalloonBezierSimulation but it contains too many self halt. Do you have an idea if this is something that can be fixed? Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] self halt :)
Hah, this reminds me of a time where I put like 58 halts in some group shared code I was auditing. The next day the manager had a fit, because I screwed up coding that night. Well I repled each halt was there because the code was broken and if the programmers were thinking they were making progress, I assure you they weren't... because when the code was fixed then all the callers would be broken. Beside why did you load the developer code out of Envy anyway? Oh because it's broken and you were hoping to get the latest fixes? On 2010-02-18, at 12:46 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys I do not know anything about BalloonBezierSimulation but it contains too many self halt. Do you have an idea if this is something that can be fixed? Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Is there a public repository that we can put our work
The default one MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak' doesn't seem to work. I don't mind hosting my own, but I am definitely a noob at squeak source control. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] So your working on a cool project and Pharo crashes
On 2/17/2010 11:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: The change file needs to have the same name than the image to have it listed when you do a recover lost changes. Not really, you can drag and drop any changes file onto any image and it'll popup the same changes editor that recover lost changes does. If you're after the latest changes just remove older versions, then remove up to date versions, then remove any unnecessary do it's and what's left will be the diffs, review and file them in. Else, you can simply edit the .changes using any (robust) text editor. Cut and paste what you feel relevant into a new file that you name yourchanges.cs Unnecessary because of the above. -- Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Is there a public repository that we can put our work
Thanks David!! On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:17 PM, David T. Lewis le...@mail.msen.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:46:05PM -0600, Nathan Tuttle wrote: The default one MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak' doesn't seem to work. I don't mind hosting my own, but I am definitely a noob at squeak source control. Connect to squeaksource.com with an ordinary web browse. Select register member and register yourself with a new account. You will have your own user ID and password that you can use for making the MCHttpRepository connections. Yuu can use the ordinary web browser for setting up your account and project, and once that is done you can use Monticello in Pharo/Squeak to save versions of your project. Dave ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo User Group?
On Feb 19, 2010, at 12:05 AM, Bouraqadi Noury wrote: On 18 févr. 10, at 19:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Stef, Few weeks ago you said you will meet some layers at inria to know whether something like ESUG may be set for Pharo. Do you have any news? Yes we discussed. I'm sure that they understood what we would like to build and they sent us a report and we should read it :) They suggested for example to be hosted by the OW2 consortium but I did not have the time to look at that. OW2 is the consortium with Fractal components and other Java software... Yes, that was our first comment, too. We will evaluate and than see what are the options. -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
[Pharo-project] Class Browser
My apologies if I have overlooked obvious sources which provide the answer to the question... Where is there documentation to be found describing the meaning of list entries in the Class Browser? I am poking around in the Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2 image and am not coming up with answers. I've been able to guess at the meaning of some but others escape me. -- -- Anthony Anton3800 243rd Place SE Phone: 425-313-1024 Issaquah, WA 98029 Cell: 425-444-3084 Concept Systems aganton...@earthlink.net FAX:425-313-1024 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Class Browser
Correction (sorry for the confusion)... My apologies if I have overlooked obvious sources which provide the answer to the question... Where is there documentation to be found describing the meaning of list entry icons (on left side of lists) in the Class Browser? I am poking around in the Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2 image and am not coming up with answers. I've been able to guess at the meaning of some but others escape me. -- -- Anthony Anton3800 243rd Place SE Phone: 425-313-1024 Issaquah, WA 98029 Cell: 425-444-3084 Concept Systems aganton...@earthlink.net FAX:425-313-1024 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] Something I don't understand with ImageSegments
Sheridan mariano can send you the document he wrote about image segment.
I can help you.
Stef
On Feb 19, 2010, at 12:35 AM, Sheridan Mahoney wrote:
Hi all,
I've been catching up on ImageSegment news, and came across this old post
from January,
and got interested in discovering the mindset behind the outPointers array.
I re-ran
Mariano's original test code, with a small change: turned 'Object new' into
TestOutPointers, a new
subclass of Object, with 2 inst vars and one method. I'd be interested in
getting feedback on
whether my guesses (in quotes below) are in the ball park. The results seem
to explain why
Association is not in outPointers - what is captured there in the case of
adding a class
is a lot like what you would need for filling in a class template. If you
add an instance of a class,
you just need the name of the class.
Some comments I have gleaned from the ImageSegment class on outPointers :
This array contains:
- OOPs of all objects outside the segment that are pointed to from
inside segment.
- outPointers that are necessary to turn the bits in the file into
objects.
Here's the code:
| segment external internal root |
external := TestOutpointers.
internal := true - external.
root := false - internal.
internal := nil.
segment := ImageSegment new
copyFromRoots: (Array with: root with: external)
sizeHint: 5000
areUnique: true.
^ (segment outPointers ) - (segment arrayOfRoots )
== result =
{ false. object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
Object. superclass of TestOutpointers
a MethodDictionary(#tryList-a CompiledMethod(1725:
TestOutpointerstryList) ) MethodDictionary
#('iv1' 'iv2') inst var names
('testing' tryList) method category
nil.object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
#TestOutpointers. symbol representing name of new class
Smalltalk. environment that TestOutpointers is
assigned to
#'IST-outPointers'. category name for TestOutpointers
true. object outside the segment that is
pointed to from inside segment.
Metaclass. for initializing class variables and
instance creation messages particular to a class.
Object class. class of TestOutpointers superclass
ClassOrganizer. need this in order to determine whether
TestOutpointers has been changed in the local env
#'as yet unclassified'. ??
}
-
{false-true-TestOutpointers. TestOutpointers}
Any feedback would be very welcome...
Cheers,
Sheri
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