Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)
I just tried, looking for plugins you know. I get so impatient to get all this to work. It takes lots of effrort. Thanks for the name check, let's go for it! robert On 12/18/2015 11:45 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: At list it doesn't have a lot of hits: https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=CryptoCeps#hl=es&q=CryptoCeps&nfpr=1 I think that the best thing is to come by the slack channel and talk it in #random (now I'm almost slept). Trying a new name has a lot of bouncing ideas in my experience, so real time communication is better that mailing list (that's why I talk about it with friends over meal or drinks). Cheers, Offray On 18/12/15 22:37, Robert Withers wrote: The Ode to CryptoCeps: Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around in case there's a problem* Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the particular moment. Oh@* Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?" Thank You! so much. On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? Best, Robert On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki thanks,Robert On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers wrote: On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits. Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ... "Maelstrom" Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project naming is using google search to find which return low search results. Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... "maelstrom"--> 7,480,000 "maelstroom" --> 6,200 "maelstrum"--> 2,280 "maelstruum" --> 7 Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: techniques to generate brand names or domain names. cheers -ben I would be happ
Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)
At list it doesn't have a lot of hits: https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=CryptoCeps#hl=es&q=CryptoCeps&nfpr=1 I think that the best thing is to come by the slack channel and talk it in #random (now I'm almost slept). Trying a new name has a lot of bouncing ideas in my experience, so real time communication is better that mailing list (that's why I talk about it with friends over meal or drinks). Cheers, Offray On 18/12/15 22:37, Robert Withers wrote: The Ode to CryptoCeps: Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around in case there's a problem* Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the particular moment. Oh@* Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?" Thank You! so much. On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? Best, Robert On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki thanks,Robert On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers wrote: On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits. Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ... "Maelstrom" Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project naming is using google search to find which return low search results. Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... "maelstrom"--> 7,480,000 "maelstroom" --> 6,200 "maelstrum"--> 2,280 "maelstruum" --> 7 Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: techniques to generate brand names or domain names. cheers -ben I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it may take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? cheers, Robert *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. I think maelstruum is certainly memorable w
Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)
The Ode to CryptoCeps: Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around in case there's a problem* Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the particular moment. Oh@* Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?" Thank You! so much. On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? Best, Robert On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki thanks,Robert On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers wrote: On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits. Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ... "Maelstrom" Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project naming is using google search to find which return low search results. Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... "maelstrom"--> 7,480,000 "maelstroom" --> 6,200 "maelstrum"--> 2,280 "maelstruum" --> 7 Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: techniques to generate brand names or domain names. cheers -ben I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it may take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? cheers, Robert *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do this). I'd encourage to play around test
Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)
Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? Best, Robert On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki thanks,Robert On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers wrote: On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits. Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ... "Maelstrom" Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project naming is using google search to find which return low search results. Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... "maelstrom"--> 7,480,000 "maelstroom" --> 6,200 "maelstrum"--> 2,280 "maelstruum" --> 7 Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: techniques to generate brand names or domain names. cheers -ben I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it may take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? cheers, Robert *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do this). I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. "maelstra" --> 3,560 "maelstram" --> 504 "maelstrim" --> 1200 "maelstroon" --> 58 "maelstroomi" --> 4 btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be susceptible to real typing errors. cheers -ben -- . .. .. ^,^ robert
Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)
Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? Best, Robert On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki thanks,Robert On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers wrote: On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers wrote: Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits. Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ... "Maelstrom" Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project naming is using google search to find which return low search results. Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... "maelstrom"--> 7,480,000 "maelstroom" --> 6,200 "maelstrum"--> 2,280 "maelstruum" --> 7 Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: techniques to generate brand names or domain names. cheers -ben I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it may take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? cheers, Robert *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do this). I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. "maelstra" --> 3,560 "maelstram" --> 504 "maelstrim" --> 1200 "maelstroon" --> 58 "maelstroomi" --> 4 btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be susceptible to real typing errors. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-users] What Strides In Pharo?
Le 17/12/2015 11:28, horrido a écrit : > "dynamic arrays, which nobody uses, because it's non-standard; Traits, which > nobody uses, because it's non-standard, and the vendor specific syntax for" No, no, Traits are very useful when you need a behaviour to come from different objects. I use it in a financial application to modelized banking loan product criteria. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
