Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
The 'code' related behavior is currently too fixed to smalltalk code only. I want to be able to edit Pillar, PostgreSQL, user stories etc. Shortcuts for doIt, browse, senders, implementors etc. make sense for these environments, but need a different implementation. And sometimes I'm editing text where the code shortcuts do not make sense. When inspecting a symbol, I expect code related shortcuts, because they are commonly used in meta programming. Stephan
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
I am a co-heretic with Doru. In domain-specific languages built on top of Pharo you are faced exactly with what Doru is saying. I see these issues in my work on Live Robot Programming (and stuff before that). The proposed change to Spotter would be a good solution to keep all browsing options. > On Mar 2, 2016, at 10:40, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > Hmm. > > I understand that what I will say is heresy, but this behavior is really not > wanted :). At least by me. > > Let me explain. > > The reason why we use a different font for code is exactly to document where > the code related behavior is expected. If we have code related shortcuts > everywhere, two things happen: > - we impose code shortcuts everywhere, even in pieces of text that should > have nothing to do with code. > - we either have them present in contextual menus, or we do not document > their existence. Either situations are not nice. > > I understand that this is how things worked for 20 years, but it is a > limiting behavior that does not allow us to build new tools easily. I know > that people use those text editors to enter some name and then press a > shortcut to browse, but now we have Spotter that can do the same thing a > little better. > > Here is the alternative: > - whenever we have a selected piece of text, and we press Shift+Enter, we get > that piece of text in Spotter filled by default > - then using the shortcuts, we can browse what we want > > This is not yet implemented, but I think it can prove to become a new reflex > that will solve the problems uniformly without imposing hardcoded shortcuts > everywhere. > > Please feel free to shoot :) > > Cheers, > Doru > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
Hi, Hmm. I understand that what I will say is heresy, but this behavior is really not wanted :). At least by me. Let me explain. The reason why we use a different font for code is exactly to document where the code related behavior is expected. If we have code related shortcuts everywhere, two things happen: - we impose code shortcuts everywhere, even in pieces of text that should have nothing to do with code. - we either have them present in contextual menus, or we do not document their existence. Either situations are not nice. I understand that this is how things worked for 20 years, but it is a limiting behavior that does not allow us to build new tools easily. I know that people use those text editors to enter some name and then press a shortcut to browse, but now we have Spotter that can do the same thing a little better. Here is the alternative: - whenever we have a selected piece of text, and we press Shift+Enter, we get that piece of text in Spotter filled by default - then using the shortcuts, we can browse what we want This is not yet implemented, but I think it can prove to become a new reflex that will solve the problems uniformly without imposing hardcoded shortcuts everywhere. Please feel free to shoot :) Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > >> On 02 Mar 2016, at 13:28, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Could you describe in more details the specific case we have here? >> > > inspect > > #(hello you) > > then click on the first item. Now I select the 'hello' on the right and try > to do "senders of" --> replace by "n". > > > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Mar 2, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: >>> >>> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:10, Marcus Denker wrote: > On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some > places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. > Is this on purpose? > > No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We should fix that and allow these everywhere. >>> >>> I added an issue: >>> >>> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17731/Rubric-When-not-in-Code-Mode-the-editor-should-still-support-senders-of-and-implementors-of-short-cuts >>> >>> (Issue tracker status: >>> - Open overall: 512 >>> - Open tagged Pharo5: 319 >>> - Closed last 7 days: 100 >>> ) >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." >> >> >> >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Some battles are better lost than fought."
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
> On 02 Mar 2016, at 13:28, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you describe in more details the specific case we have here? > inspect #(hello you) then click on the first item. Now I select the 'hello' on the right and try to do "senders of" --> replace by "n". > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Mar 2, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> >>> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:10, Marcus Denker wrote: >>> >>> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: Hi Guys, In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. Is this on purpose? >>> No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We >>> should fix that and allow these everywhere. >>> >>> >> >> I added an issue: >> >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17731/Rubric-When-not-in-Code-Mode-the-editor-should-still-support-senders-of-and-implementors-of-short-cuts >> >> (Issue tracker status: >> - Open overall: 512 >> - Open tagged Pharo5: 319 >> - Closed last 7 days: 100 >> ) > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." > > > > >
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
Hi, Could you describe in more details the specific case we have here? Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > >> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:10, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> >>> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some >>> places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. >>> Is this on purpose? >>> >>> >> No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We >> should fix that and allow these everywhere. >> >> > > I added an issue: > > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17731/Rubric-When-not-in-Code-Mode-the-editor-should-still-support-senders-of-and-implementors-of-short-cuts > > (Issue tracker status: > - Open overall: 512 > - Open tagged Pharo5: 319 > - Closed last 7 days: 100 > ) -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:10, Marcus Denker wrote: > > >> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some >> places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. >> Is this on purpose? >> >> > No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We > should fix that and allow these everywhere. > > I added an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17731/Rubric-When-not-in-Code-Mode-the-editor-should-still-support-senders-of-and-implementors-of-short-cuts (Issue tracker status: - Open overall: 512 - Open tagged Pharo5: 319 - Closed last 7 days: 100 )
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
ok. #Luc 2016-03-01 18:10 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker : > > > On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some > places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. > > Is this on purpose? > > > > > No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We > should fix that and allow these everywhere. > > Marcus >
Re: [Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
> On 01 Mar 2016, at 18:06, Luc Fabresse wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some > places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. > Is this on purpose? > > No, still a bug: in non-code mode Rubric does not add the shortcuts. We should fix that and allow these everywhere. Marcus
[Pharo-users] CMD/CTRL-B for browsing?
Hi Guys, In Pharo 5, it seems that CMD/CTRL-B does not work for browsing in some places such as in GTDebugger right bottom pane. Is this on purpose? #Luc
